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Healthcare Bill Part III; Obamacare
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Topic Started: Mar 3 2014, 02:20 PM (48,691 Views)
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kbp
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Mar 26 2014, 08:37 AM
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On 3/12, Sebelius was asked, "Are you going to delay the open enrollment beyond March 31?" Her answer: "No, sir" Considering that we've noted the date would likely change, it's obvious Sebelius knew it would change.
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Mar 26 2014, 08:44 AM
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On a conference call with reporters Tuesday afternoon, officials at the Department of Health and Human Services insisted that March 31 is the firm deadline to sign up for Obamacare. "We have no plans to extend the open enrollment period," HHS official Julie Bataille said. "In fact, we don't actually have the statutory authority to extend the open enrollment period in 2014."
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Michael Hash, who directs the Office of Health Reform at HHS, replied that the law states that the HHS secretary must set the open enrollment dates by June 2012, which Secretary Sebelius did. "Once that 2014 open enrollment period has been set, they are set permanently," Hash said.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/hhs-we-lack-statutory-authority-extend-obamacares-open-enrollment-period_784621.html
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Mar 26 2014, 08:54 AM
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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/health-premiums-3-065-obama-224300715.htmlHealth Premiums Up $3,065; Obama Vowed $2,500 CutDuring his first run for president, Barack Obama made one very specific promise to voters: He would cut health insurance premiums for families by $2,500, and do so in his first term. But it turns out that family premiums have increased by more than $3,000 since Obama's vow, according to the latest annual Kaiser Family Foundation employee health benefits survey. Premiums for employer-provided family coverage rose $3,065 — 24% — from 2008 to 2012, the Kaiser survey found. Even if you start counting in 2009, premiums have climbed $2,370. What's more, premiums climbed faster in Obama's four years than they did in the previous four under President Bush, the survey data show. There's no question about what Obama was promising the country, since he repeated it constantly during his 2008 campaign. In a debate with Sen. John McCain, for example, Obama said "the only thing we're going to try to do is lower costs so that those cost savings are passed onto you. And we estimate we can cut the average family's premium by about $2,500 per year. At a campaign stop in Columbus, Ohio, in February 2008, Obama promised that "We are going to work with you to lower your premiums by $2,500. We will not wait 20 years from now to do it, or 10 years from now to do it. We will do it by the end of my first term as president. 2008 Promises, 2012 RealityTo back that up, Obama pointed to a memo drafted by Harvard professors (and unpaid campaign advisers), which claimed that investing in health care IT, cutting administrative bloat, and improving management of chronic diseases would cut health costs by $140 billion a year. That would translate into $2,500 in premium savings for families. But those projections were wildly optimistic, overestimating potential savings from IT, making big assumptions about disease management, and ignoring the fact that past government interventions have always increased health care administrative costs. Meanwhile, the health reform law Obama signed in March 2010 has pushed up insurance costs. In 2011, premiums spiked 9.5%, and many in the industry blame ObamaCare for at least part of it. Premiums climbed another 4.5% in 2012, Kaiser found. And ObamaCare will continue to fuel health premium inflation. First, the law piles on new coverage mandates. It requires insurance companies to provide 100% coverage for various types of preventive care, bans lifetime coverage limits, extends parents' coverage to offspring up to 26 years old, and requires plans to meet certain "medical loss ratios." Coming up are rules on "essential standard benefits," limits on deductibles, bans on annual spending caps, and much more. The experience with state mandates show that they only tend to grow over time, and get more expensive. The Council for Affordable Health Insurance found more than 2,200 state benefit mandates, which add from 10% to 50% to the cost of coverage. "One of the biggest cost drivers in our health care system is the steady proliferation of federal and state-based coverage mandates," noted CAHI's Victoria Craig Bunce. Meanwhile, ObamaCare's insurance reforms — guaranteed issue and community rating — will likely raise premiums, too. State ExperimentsStates that have tried these reforms — which forbid insurers from denying coverage based on preexisting conditions or charging the sick more — have seen insurance premiums spiral upward as healthy people leave the market, knowing they are guaranteed coverage when they get sick. "Premium rates tended to increase, sometimes dramatically" in the eight states that tried these reforms, according to a study by Milliman, a health care consulting group. The law's backers claim the individual mandate will prevent these rate hikes, because it requires everyone to buy insurance. But experts say millions will still refuse to buy coverage and pay the fine instead. Meanwhile, Jonathan Gruber — who helped design ObamaCare — found that the law will hike individual market premiums in three states by as much as 30%. The Congressional Budget Office said ObamaCare would push them "about 10% to 13% higher in 2016." Supporters say people will be getting more generous coverage for those higher prices, and that tax subsidies will offset higher cost for many of these families. But that will be small comfort to those forced to pay more. [How many millions of the 320 million population get subsidies to "subsidies will offset higher cost" here?]Perhaps the best evidence that ObamaCare won't bring costs down is a report published this month in the New England Journal of Medicine and signed by nearly two dozen leading health economists and policy experts — some of whom worked for the Obama administration. The report warns that "health costs remain a major challenge" and calls for a "systematic approach" to get spending under control. One thing that isn't on their list of proposals: Scrapping Obama-Care and starting over.
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kbp
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Mar 26 2014, 09:03 AM
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On a conference call with reporters Tuesday afternoon, officials at the Department of Health and Human Services insisted that March 31 is the firm deadline to sign up for Obamacare. "We have no plans to extend the open enrollment period," HHS official Julie Bataille said. "In fact, we don't actually have the statutory authority to extend the open enrollment period in 2014."
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Michael Hash, who directs the Office of Health Reform at HHS, replied that the law states that the HHS secretary must set the open enrollment dates by June 2012, which Secretary Sebelius did. "Once that 2014 open enrollment period has been set, they are set permanently," Hash said. http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/hhs-we-lack-statutory-authority-extend-obamacares-open-enrollment-period_784621.html The basic result of extending enrollment looks to be a shift in how we lose money.
A lower enrollment leaves a bad pool that will require a bailout, while a higher enrollment increases the amount spent on subsidies. I suppose the latter is less expensive.
Consider the fact how these pools are put together. We have 50 states with multiple insurance companies in each state, along with various plans from the companies. Be it 5, 6 or 7 million, after you divide them into multiple pools in multiple states, the pools are not that promising!
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Mar 26 2014, 10:57 AM
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The Obamacare Law Is Whatever They Say It Is by Monica Crowley March 26
Well, it turns out that the March 31 deadline to enroll in Obamacare is merely a suggestion. And you don't really have to pay any attention to it. Despite the adamant insistence from various members of the Obama team that no way, no how would they extend it, they just did. Unilaterally. In violation of the law. As they said they would not---could not---do, just days ago.
Let's go to Politico.com, which reported a "brief history of the most prominent Obamacare delays:"
"March 25: Final enrollment deadline extended. The March 31 deadline — the end of enrollment for 2014 — will be loosened for people with special sign-up circumstances.
"March 14: High risk pools extended. The special, temporary coverage for people with serious pre-existing conditions — which was only supposed to last until the health insurance exchanges were in place — was extended a third time for another month.
"Feb. 10: Employer mandate delayed. This time, businesses with between 50 and 100 workers were given until 2016 to offer coverage, and the mandate will be phased in for employers with more than 100 workers.
"Jan. 14: High risk pools extended. The high-risk insurance pools, which originally had been slated to close Jan. 1, had already been extended once.
"Dec. 24, 2013: Enrollment deadline extended. In a message on HealthCare.gov, customers were told they could get help finishing their Jan. 1 applications if they were already in line on Dec. 24.
"Dec 12: Enrollment deadline extended. Customers on the federal enrollment website were given nearly two more weeks to sign up for coverage effective Jan. 1.
"Nov. 27: SHOP delayed. Online enrollment for the federal health insurance exchanges for small businesses was delayed.
"Nov. 21: Open enrollment delayed for 2015. The administration pushed back next year’s enrollment season by a month.
"July 2: Employer mandate delayed. The administration declared that it wouldn’t enforce the fines in 2014 for businesses with more than 50 full-time workers who don’t offer health coverage. The fines were pushed back to 2015.
"Nov. 15, 2012: Exchange deadline delayed. The Department of Health and Human Services gave states an extra month to decide whether they would set up their own health insurance exchanges — a decision they announced just one day before the original deadline."
All of these changes were made without Congress, in violation of the law. But you know, whateves. This bring us to the current extension of the deadline, based on what the administration calls "the honor system." Don't laugh. They will rigorously enforce "the honor system!"
Courtesy of the Weekly Standard, here's a list of recent assurances the administration gave that they wouldn't do what they just did:
"“We have no plans to extend the open enrollment period. In fact, we don’t actually have the statutory authority to extend the open enrollment period in 2014.” — Health and Human Services (HHS) official Julie Bataille, March 11
"“Once that 2014 open enrollment period has been set, they are set permanently.” – HHS official Michael Hash, March 11
"“March 31st is the deadline for enrollment. You’ve heard us make that clear.” – Press Secretary Jay Carney, March 21
"“There is no delay beyond March 31.” – HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, March 12
There was no delay…until there was. To get more time to sign up, you just have to tell the government that gosh golly, you tried but couldn't do it yet:
As the "Washington Post" reports: "Under the new rules, people will be able to qualify for an extension by checking a blue box on HealthCare.gov to indicate that they tried to enroll before the deadline. This method will rely on an honor system; the government will not try to determine whether the person is telling the truth."
This sounds a lot like the expanded hardship exemption from the individual mandate. That's when the administration essentially said having your policy canceled by Obamacare was a new hardship that deserved an exemption. And all you have to say is that you “believe” you wouldn't be able to afford other insurance policies available to you.
So the law is whatever they say it is, but they expect you to operate on the honor system.
There's a word for this. Tyranny. http://monicamemo.typepad.com/weblog/2014/03/the-obamacare-law-is-whatever-they-say-it-is.html
Edited by Baldo, Mar 26 2014, 10:58 AM.
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Mar 26 2014, 11:03 AM
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http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/03/obamacares-hard-enrollment-deadline-melts.php
Obamacare’s hard enrollment deadline melts
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It has also made it even more dishonest. The Obama administration has repeatedly said that the March 31 deadline for enrolling in Obamacare is firm. Now, we find out not only that the deadline isn’t firm but that it can be avoided simply by lying.
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kbp
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Mar 26 2014, 11:11 AM
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New deadline yet to be revealed(!) is said to be mid-April. It's rather ironic when someone mentions that the date most would think of would be April 15 ...tax deadline!
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Mar 26 2014, 11:18 AM
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I would guess, in order to increase the number of people that signed up for this joke, a lot of the dead who are also getting SS are being signed up.
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Mar 26 2014, 11:32 AM
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Imagine seeking approval of a plan to insure the uninsured, requesting 4 years to get it started, demanding $250 billion a year to run it, providing only about 1 million to the count of those newly insured that fourth year, initially reducing the actual number of the insured, and violating laws to help it limp along!
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Mar 26 2014, 11:33 AM
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I would guess, in order to increase the number of people that signed up for this joke, a lot of the dead who are also getting SS are being signed up. They'd have to be in the 'no-pay' column!
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Mar 26 2014, 12:23 PM
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Could this type of delay transform into an executive directive allowing voting after polls close for people in line ...in Democratic districts?
Refresher: http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/kerry/articles/2005/01/18/kerry_alleges_voters_were_suppressed?pg=full ...Critics of the election process in Ohio say there were not enough voting machines in urban, Democrat-leaning precincts, leading to long lines that dissuaded many voters from casting ballots. In some cases, polls were held open after the announced closing time to allow everyone in line to vote
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Mar 26 2014, 01:19 PM
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http://freebeacon.com/issues/harry-reid-people-arent-educated-on-how-to-use-the-internet/Harry Reid: People Aren’t Educated on How to Use the InternetBY: Washington Free Beacon Staff March 26, 2014 1:16 pm Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D., Nev.) said the fault of struggling to sign up on the Obamacare exchanges didn’t lie with the faulty website, but with the people who weren’t “educated on how to use the Internet.”Explaining the reasoning behind the latest Obamacare delay, Reid said too many people just didn’t know to use their computer properly and needed more time. Apparently, it had nothing to do with the well-documented failings of the website that have embarrassed the White House for months. “We have hundreds of thousands of people who tried to sign up who didn’t get through,” he said. “There are some people who are not like my grandchildren who can handle everything so easily on the Internet, and these people need a little extra time. It’s not — the example they gave us is a 63-year-old woman came into the store and said, ‘I almost got it. Every time I just about got there, it would cut me off.’ We have a lot of people just like this through no fault of the Internet, but because people are not educated on how to use the Internet.”
Can't figure out it this makes me or .
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Mar 26 2014, 01:35 PM
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http://healthpolicyandmarket.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-one-thing-that-could-save.htmlThe One Thing That Could Save Obamacare––And The Obama Administration Needs To Do It In the Next Month Bob LaszewskiTo properly price the exchange health insurance business going forward the carriers have to sharply increase the rates. A senior executive for Wellpoint, which sells plans in 14 Obamacare exchanges, is quoted in a Reuters article telling Wall Street analysts there will be big rate increases in 2015, "Looking at the rate increases on a year-over-year basis on our exchanges, and it will vary by carrier, but all of them will probably be double digits." If the health plans do issue double digit rate increases for 2015, Obamacare is finished. There are a ton of things that need to be fixed in Obamacare. But, I will suggest there is one thing that could save it. The health insurance companies have to submit their new health insurance plans and rates between May 27 and June 27 for the 2015 Obamacare open-enrollment period beginning on November 15th. Any major modifications to the current Obamacare regulations need to be issued in the next month to give the carriers time to adjust and develop new products. [...] Here's what I would suggest. Give carriers the ability to offer plans outside the Bronze, Silver, Gold, and Platinum structure. Let them offer people plans they will find attractive––premium, deductibles, and benefits. But, require any new plans to:
- Satisfy the 60% actuarial minimum in the statute––no "junk" plans.
- Give consumers the detail to compare the standard Silver Plan to any new offerings––full transparency.
Give carriers the ability to swap current benefit mandates (that were set by regulation not statute) for lower premiums and deductibles and be completely transparent in what those trade-offs are while still complying with the underlying statutory requirement that the plans must be worth at least 60% of total health care costs. The administration has the power to do this within the scope of the law. [...]
This plan would just help the po' folks reach their out-of-pocket limit (subject to change also!) sooner and stick the other 75-80% of plan holders with another step down in policy benefits ...you know, those people that had their policies cancelled because of Obamacare so Barry could get more customers in his "MARKET" at startup!
Laszewski is a great source for data on the market, but I sense he'd like consulting fees from consumer groups using a national healthcare system underwritten by private insurance carriers.
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Mar 26 2014, 01:41 PM
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http://freebeacon.com/issues/harry-reid-people-arent-educated-on-how-to-use-the-internet/Harry Reid: People Aren’t Educated on How to Use the InternetBY: Washington Free Beacon Staff March 26, 2014 1:16 pm Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D., Nev.) said the fault of struggling to sign up on the Obamacare exchanges didn’t lie with the faulty website, but with the people who weren’t “educated on how to use the Internet.”Explaining the reasoning behind the latest Obamacare delay, Reid said too many people just didn’t know to use their computer properly and needed more time. Apparently, it had nothing to do with the well-documented failings of the website that have embarrassed the White House for months. “We have hundreds of thousands of people who tried to sign up who didn’t get through,” he said. “There are some people who are not like my grandchildren who can handle everything so easily on the Internet, and these people need a little extra time. It’s not — the example they gave us is a 63-year-old woman came into the store and said, ‘I almost got it. Every time I just about got there, it would cut me off.’ We have a lot of people just like this through no fault of the Internet, but because people are not educated on how to use the Internet.”
Can't figure out it this makes me  or  . Was her Obamaphone on the blink the last 6 months?
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Mar 26 2014, 01:45 PM
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You can say things like that when you have guaranteed voters...
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