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| LTC8K6 | Jun 25 2015, 11:49 PM Post #2056 |
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| Mason | Jun 26 2015, 12:43 AM Post #2057 |
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. Who would be shocked to find out there has been communications between Roberts and Obama? I can tell you the Media would rush out with stories saying that there's nothing wrong with tbat at all. . |
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| foxglove | Jun 26 2015, 01:56 AM Post #2058 |
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There was talk at the time that Roberts voted in favor of Obamacare a few years ago and was under duress. http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/was-supreme-court-justice-john-roberts-blackmailed/ "It’s time to start asking the question. It’s time to be cynical. It’s time to assume the worst of this government. Has Supreme Court Justice John Roberts been blackmailed or intimidated? I would put nothing by the Obama administration that lives and rules by the Chicago thug playbook. Doubt me? On the same day that Justice Roberts and the Supremes upheld Obamacare – again – the key IRS watchdog reported to Congress that the IRS purposely destroyed evidence of a crime...." http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/06/25/follow-the-money-amp-blackmail-conservative-med/204149 http://www.wnd.com/2014/05/did-nsa-blackmail-roberts-to-ok-obamacare/#! |
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| wingedwheel | Jun 26 2015, 06:31 AM Post #2059 |
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Any state that continues to do so will be wasting money. I would also think any person running for president on the republican side that voted to set up a exchange has just had that decision blow up in their face. |
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| kbp | Jun 26 2015, 02:02 PM Post #2060 |
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http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/14pdf/14-114_qol1.pdf This is difficult to follow. |
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| MikeZPU | Jun 27 2015, 12:37 PM Post #2061 |
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/06/25/chief-justice-roberts-affirms-obamacare-was-poorly-written/ Chief Justice Roberts affirms: ObamaCare was poorly written
I don't understand. Our beloved President said that every aspect of Obamacare was extensively debated. If he had the Pinnochio syndrome, his nose would be as long as the island of Manhatten. |
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| kbp | Jun 27 2015, 01:35 PM Post #2062 |
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Using both opinions, all the Supreme Court Justices agreed Obamacare authorizes tax credits ONLY “through an Exchange established by the State,” but the majority left a difficult explanation to understand how that plain text was ignored. Within the first couple pages Roberts twisted back and forth on WTH "ambiguous" had to do with his reasoning to say that the Congressional intent rules. He even went so far as to use the Mass system as the example to follow, while COMPLETELY ignoring the two unpassed bills copied and pasted into Obamacare in the "inartful drafting" process. That's the same Roberts that determined the Medicaid expansion was too coercive as it was written, so they rewrote it to prevent Big Brother from creating MORE UNINSURED patients in states that did not cooperate. Ironic when you read Roberts starting off by telling us a reduction in the number of the UNINSURED was the goal for Obamacare he must follow in his latest ruling! I've spent too much time trying to understand WTH the law says! . Edited by kbp, Jun 27 2015, 01:36 PM.
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| kbp | Jun 27 2015, 01:54 PM Post #2063 |
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Congress could have avoided the "inartful drafting" had they been able to count the 6 SCOTUS votes when they passed Obamacare! |
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| kbp | Jun 27 2015, 04:38 PM Post #2064 |
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| kbp | Jun 27 2015, 05:26 PM Post #2065 |
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We were taught the Constitution when I was in school. Judging from how the House uses that authority, I feel safe guessing that not all schools taught it back then! |
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| kbp | Jun 27 2015, 06:01 PM Post #2066 |
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http://khn.org/news/five-hurdles-ahead-for-obamacare/ Obamacare’s Next 5 Hurdles to Clear In its first five years, the Affordable Care Act has survived technical meltdowns, a presidential election, two Supreme Court challenges — including one resolved Thursday — and dozens of repeal efforts in Congress. But its long-term future still isn’t ensured. Here are five of the biggest hurdles remaining:Spacer Medicaid Expansion. About 4 million more Americans would gain coverage if all states expand the state-federal Medicaid programs to cover people with incomes at or slightly above the poverty line. Twenty-one states with Republican governors or GOP-controlled legislatures, including Texas and Florida, have balked, citing ideological objections, their own budget pressures, as well as skepticism about Washington’s long-term commitment to pay for most of the costs. Anemic Enrollment. Eighteen million Americans who are eligible to buy insurance in federal and state marketplaces haven’t purchased it. Those marketplaces have had particular trouble enrolling Hispanics, young adults and people who object to being told to buy insurance. Federal funding used by state marketplaces to enroll people and advertise is drying up. Many state marketplaces haven’t figured out how to be self-sustaining. Vermont, Hawaii, Colorado and Rhode Island are among those states searching for more money. The penalty for going without coverage rises next year to $695 per adult or 2.5 percent of family income—whichever is larger. [Of that 18 million, close to a couple million are dropouts from the program ...many in a group that learned about out-of-pocket costs. That group number will keep growing.] Market Stability. Nationally, premiums haven’t gone up too much on average in the first two years of the marketplaces, but that could change. The federal government has been protecting insurers from unexpectedly high medical bills, but that cushion disappears after next year. At the same time, insurers finally have enough experience with their initial customers to figure out if their premiums are sufficient to cover medical costs. If they’re not, expect increases. [Part of that "cushion" has already disappeared, when Congress said they will not add more funds to cover it.] Affordability. People who get their insurance through their employer have mostly been spared jolts from the health law. But the federal government begins taxing expensive health plans in 2018. The “Cadillac tax,” created by the health law, will pressure employers to offer skimpier health coverage or pass the taxes’ cost on to their employees. Also, individuals buying their insurance on the health law marketplaces continue to risk large out-of-pocket costs if they need lots of care. Their maximum financial obligations for next year are $6,850 for individuals and $13,700 for families [minimum for individuals is >$2000]. Those who choose to go out of their insurance network may have no ceiling on how much they may have to pay. [The "people...mostly been spared jolts" were jolted when the HHS federal regulations increased premiums, deductibles, co-pay and other out-of-pocket costs] Political Resistance. Thursday’s ruling did little to diminish the GOP’s zeal to repeal the health law. Republicans on both sides of the Capitol pledged to continue their efforts to kill the ACA. A lawsuit filed by House Republicans last year alleges the president overstepped his authority when implementing the health law. The topic remains grist for the 2016 presidential campaign, with several Republican presidential candidates – including Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush — reiterating their desire to repeal the law. If the Republicans capture both the White House and Congress in 2016, all bets are off over whether the law survives intact. [Most likely BS promises in the primary campaign stage!] |
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| kbp | Jun 27 2015, 06:10 PM Post #2067 |
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http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/even-after-court-victory-still-no-easy-road-for-obamacare-119447.html If you read through this article you'll be left thinking there are many absurd taxes they need to eliminate. The end result is once you remove the taxes that should never have been included, they have a problem paying for what is left in place. The $900 billion 10 year cost, which will be $2.6 trillion over the next 10 years, just ends up with holes to fill ...mo' money from somewhere. Sorta looks like the original plan was to focus everyone on how to keep paying for it! |
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| kbp | Jun 28 2015, 02:15 PM Post #2068 |
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...The Court nevertheless must do its best, “bearing in mind the ‘fundamental canon of statutory construction that the words of a statute must be read in their context and with a view to their place in the overall statutory scheme.’ ” The overall statutory scheme = AFFORDABLE ...providing tax credits to certain individuals to make insurance more affordable.  Well, the ruling makes it more affordable for 1% or so of the population. . |
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| Baldo | Jun 28 2015, 03:00 PM Post #2069 |
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As for some poor Hispanics. Why buy insurance when they believe they can get it for free? That is in essence what happens in California. They go to ER, wait, and get treated with free drugs. If they are really ill they get admitted then the hospital tries hard to get them a medical card to pay their bill which the hospital has no hope of ever collecting of them. It's one giant scam on the taxpayer |
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| kbp | Jun 28 2015, 03:16 PM Post #2070 |
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Yeah, they should rename act as problem. New problems to solve the previous problems passed.
Edited by kbp, Jun 28 2015, 03:17 PM.
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