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| kbp | Jun 20 2015, 07:38 AM Post #2011 |
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OMG!!!This is the most convoluted method in a numbers game I've ever seen! Most or all of the cost increases from repealing Obamacare must come from some majic savings that has NOT been given back to the taxpayers! I know a big cost is that they'd eliminate the Medicare cuts. If we do not need what was cut, what is the logic of reinstating those costs, using those costs to justify NOT repealing Obamacare? Edited by kbp, Jun 20 2015, 07:40 AM.
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| kbp | Jun 20 2015, 08:11 AM Post #2012 |
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/19/repealing-obamacare-would-boost-economy-cbo/print/ Repealing Obamacare would boost economy, but drive deficits deeper: CBO By Stephen Dinan - The Washington Times - Friday, June 19, 2015 Repealing Obamacare would spur the economy, adding more than half a percent to the gross domestic product at the beginning of the next decade, the Congressional Budget Office said in a new analysis Friday that still found repeal would be bad for the federal deficit. The dual findings could both boost and hurt GOP leaders' case as they prepare for one last major effort to repeal President Obama's signature law before he leaves office. Tens of millions of Americans would lose coverage they'd have under the Affordable Care Act over the next decade, but that loss would chase many of them back into the labor pool, where they would both get insurance through their jobs, and would lead to other current workers putting in more time on the job. Combined, those would produce an economic boost equal to seven tenths of a percent from 2021 to 2025, the CBO said. "The subsidies and tax credits for health insurance that the ACA provides to some people are phased out as their income rises — creating an implicit tax on additional earnings — and those subsidies, along with expanded eligibility for Medicaid, generally make it easier for some people to work less or to stop working without losing health insurance coverage. For other people, the act directly imposes higher taxes on labor income, thus discouraging work. Repealing the ACA would reverse those effects," the CBO said. It's the second major report this week from the budget agency and its new director, Keith Hall. The first one, looking at the long-term budget outlook, said the federal fiscal picture is in bad shape and will need major help — and the sooner the better. Repealing Obamacare, however, won't help that picture, and will actually lead to $137 billion in new deficits over the next decade, chiefly because a repeal would not only end hefty government health care spending, but would also end the tax hikes Mr. Obama is counting on to pay for that higher spending. The figure would be much higher, to the tune of $353 billion, without the faster-growing economy that would result from repeal, the CBO said. "Today's CBO report is very clear. Any way you slice it, repealing the Affordable Care Act will add hundreds of billions of dollars to the deficit," House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, California Democrat, said. [The FREE MONEY argument!] Repealing Obamacare would increase federal deficits by $137 billion over the 10-year budget window. GOP leaders, though, swiftly accentuated the report's findings on the labor market. "CBO has determined what many in Congress have known all along," Senate Budget Chairman Mike Enzi, Utah Republican, said. "This law acts as an anchor on our economy by dragging down employment and reducing labor force participation … While CBO's report notes that the deficit impact of repealing the law is highly uncertain, and could even reduce the deficit, it does show that repealing this law will boost nationwide employment and grow the economy." The GOP is hatching a strategy to repeal all or part of Obamacare through a fast-track tool known as "budget reconciliation," which allows the GOP-led Congress to pass new legislation on a simple majority vote in the Senate. Mr. Obama could still veto whatever bill they produce, and Republicans must prove to the Senate's referee, the parliamentarian, that their efforts would reduce — not raise — the deficit. [...] |
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| Baldo | Jun 22 2015, 12:01 PM Post #2013 |
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Controversial MIT economist Jonathan Gruber reportedly played key role in ObamaCare law MIT economist Jonathan Gruber, who claimed the authors of ObamaCare took advantage of what he called the "stupidity of the American voter," played a much bigger role in the law's drafting than previously acknowledged, according to a published report. The Wall Street Journal, citing 20,000 pages of emails sent by Gruber between January 2009 and March 2010, reported Sunday that Gruber was frequently consulted by staffers and advisers for both the White House and the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) about the Affordable Care Act. Among the topics that Gruber discusses in the emails are media interviews, consultations with lawmakers, and even how to publicly describe his role. The emails were released as the Supreme Court prepares to rule on the legality of federal health insurance exchange subsidies. The Journal reports that the officials Gruber contacted by e-mail included Peter Orszag, then the director of the Office of Management and Budget (OMB); Jason Furman, an economic adviser to the president; and Ezekiel Emanuel, then a special adviser for health policy at OMB. "His proximity to HHS and the White House was a whole lot tighter than they admitted," Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R- Utah, chairman of the House oversight committee, told the Journal. "There’s no doubt he was a much more integral part of this than they’ve said. He put up this facade he was an arm’s length away. It was a farce." "As has been previously reported, Mr. Gruber was a widely used economic modeler for administrations and state governments run by both parties—both before and after the Affordable Care Act was passed," HHS spokeswoman Meaghan Smith told the Journal in a statement. "These emails only echo old news."...snipped http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/06/22/controversial-mit-economist-jonathan-gruber-reportedly-played-key-role-in/ |
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| Baldo | Jun 23 2015, 08:01 PM Post #2014 |
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At California's ObamaCare Exchange, Failure Gets You a 27% Raise, Plus Bonus overnment Work: Enrollment in Covered California was flat this year, and consumers hate it. But the director still got a huge raise and a fat bonus. So much for ObamaCare rooting out health care waste. The 1.4 million who signed up for an ObamaCare plan through Covered California, and who are paying a $13.95 fee every month for the privilege, might be interested to learn that Executive Director Peter Lee just got a 26.8% raise, plus a $65,000 bonus, which is bigger than the $53,000 bonus he received last year. To put this in perspective, Lee's base salary of $333,120 is 49% higher than the average health insurance CEO in the country, and 69% higher than all the CEOs in California, according to Bureau of Labor Statistics data. We don't begrudge people for being well compensated for their success. But in this case, Lee is being rewarded by Covered California for what looks like a rather astounding string of failures. Enrollment in the state exchange climbed only about 1% this year, leaving it 300,000 below Lee's goal of 1.7 million. And because the exchange relies on enrollment fees to operate, low sign-ups put the exchange in financial jeopardy. According to Covered California's proposed budget, released in May, it expects to run an operating deficit of $98 million next fiscal year, and $41 million the year after that. And those numbers assume the exchange can wring 21% out of its budget over the next two years while sharply increasing enrollment. Lee himself admitted in December that there are questions about the "long-term sustainability of the organization." We also recently learned, thanks to former CBS News investigative reporter Sharyl Attkisson, that Covered California suffered from "gross incompetence and mismanagement" as it was getting started. Attkisson reported her findings in a two-part piece on the Daily Signal. This May, the Columbia Journalism Review called for "stronger (media) coverage of Covered California" because of the challenges it's facing and because it's the "largest state-run health insurance exchange."...snipped http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-obama-care/062215-758475-covered-california-director-gets-big-raise-and-fat-bonus.htm As I expected, long-term sustainability of the organization." is in doubt |
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| chatham | Jun 23 2015, 08:09 PM Post #2015 |
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scotus won't overturn the obamacare. It will be a political decision, not a legal opinion.
Edited by chatham, Jun 24 2015, 10:40 AM.
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| Baldo | Jun 23 2015, 08:45 PM Post #2016 |
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Morning Joe Panel Mocks White House For Lies About Gruber’s Role In ObamaCare https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85Mm62-Wq7Q |
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| kbp | Jun 24 2015, 09:20 AM Post #2017 |
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How they'd word the opinion would be of interest! On the outcome, that would allow states shift cost of running an exchange over to the fed's and open the door wider for single-payer. Should the ruling go to the plaintiffs, those states with an exchange will need more money. |
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| wingedwheel | Jun 25 2015, 09:29 AM Post #2018 |
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So much for Roberts and the court not protecting "the people from the consequences of their political choices"... |
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| Quasimodo | Jun 25 2015, 09:52 AM Post #2019 |
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'In this instance, the context and structure of the Act compel us to depart from what would otherwise be the most natural reading of the pertinent statutory phrase'...
Edited by Quasimodo, Jun 25 2015, 09:53 AM.
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| Quasimodo | Jun 25 2015, 09:56 AM Post #2020 |
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POSTER COMMENT at site:
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| Baldo | Jun 25 2015, 09:57 AM Post #2021 |
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looks like Chatham was right. In the end SCOTUS is a political anaimal |
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| Quasimodo | Jun 25 2015, 09:58 AM Post #2022 |
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And in today's other big decision:
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| wingedwheel | Jun 25 2015, 10:05 AM Post #2023 |
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Right he was. I also never thought they would overturn it after the last decision. I am surprised it was a 6-3 decision this time around. |
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| MikeZPU | Jun 25 2015, 10:06 AM Post #2024 |
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Exactly. Sorry to say, but our Chief Justice is a hypocrite and such a disappointment. |
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| LTC8K6 | Jun 25 2015, 11:07 AM Post #2025 |
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Assistant to The Devil Himself
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"It's wrong, but they meant well, so we are letting it go." What in the world is the SC doing? We are going to lose so much in the coming years... |
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