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Healthcare Bill Part III; Obamacare
Topic Started: Mar 3 2014, 02:20 PM (48,571 Views)
kbp

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http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/114th-congress-2015-2016/reports/50252-Effects_of_ACA_Repeal.pdf

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Budgetary and Economic Effects of Repealing the Affordable Care Act


(last paragraph on report page 14, or page 19 of 28 on the reader count)
...In sum, CBO and JCT now estimate that repealing the insurance coverage provisions of the ACA would generate $762 billion in net savings over the 2016–2022 period, an amount that would be offset by $840 billion in estimated costs from repealing the other provisions, to yield a net increase in deficits of $78 billion over that period. In 2012, the estimate of $1,027 billion in net savings from repealing the ACA’s coverage provisions was offset by $1,073 billion in estimated costs from repealing the other provisions—yielding an estimated net increase in deficits of $46 billion for the 2016–2022 period.

The Macroeconomic Feedback Effects of a Repeal and Their Impact on the Federal Budget

CBO and JCT also have analyzed the effects that repealing the ACA would have on the U.S. economy and estimated the budgetary impact—or feedback effects—of those macroeconomic changes. CBO and JCT estimate that the net effect on the economy’s output would be negligible in 2016 but would grow after that. According to the agencies’ estimates, from 2021 through 2025, a repeal would increase GDP by about 0.7 percent, on average—mostly by repealing provisions that, under current law, are expected to reduce the supply of labor.

The macroeconomic feedback effects of repealing the ACA would lower federal deficits by $216 billion over the 2016–2025 period, CBO and JCT estimate (see Table 1 on page 2). The largest effect would be an increase in revenues arising from the increased supply of labor, which in turn would boost employment and taxable income. After accounting for the feedback effects, CBO and JCT estimate that the total impact on direct spending and revenues of repealing the ACA would be to increase federal deficits by $137 billion over the 2016–2025 period. The estimates of the macroeconomic effects and of their consequences for the federal budget are highly uncertain, however, and actual results could be substantially different....
This is the most convoluted method in a numbers game I've ever seen!

Most or all of the cost increases from repealing Obamacare must come from some majic savings that has NOT been given back to the taxpayers!

I know a big cost is that they'd eliminate the Medicare cuts. If we do not need what was cut, what is the logic of reinstating those costs, using those costs to justify NOT repealing Obamacare?

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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/19/repealing-obamacare-would-boost-economy-cbo/print/

Repealing Obamacare would boost economy, but drive deficits deeper: CBO
By Stephen Dinan - The Washington Times - Friday, June 19, 2015

Repealing Obamacare would spur the economy, adding more than half a percent to the gross domestic product at the beginning of the next decade, the Congressional Budget Office said in a new analysis Friday that still found repeal would be bad for the federal deficit.

The dual findings could both boost and hurt GOP leaders' case as they prepare for one last major effort to repeal President Obama's signature law before he leaves office.

Tens of millions of Americans would lose coverage they'd have under the Affordable Care Act over the next decade, but that loss would chase many of them back into the labor pool, where they would both get insurance through their jobs, and would lead to other current workers putting in more time on the job.

Combined, those would produce an economic boost equal to seven tenths of a percent from 2021 to 2025, the CBO said.

"The subsidies and tax credits for health insurance that the ACA provides to some people are phased out as their income rises — creating an implicit tax on additional earnings — and those subsidies, along with expanded eligibility for Medicaid, generally make it easier for some people to work less or to stop working without losing health insurance coverage. For other people, the act directly imposes higher taxes on labor income, thus discouraging work. Repealing the ACA would reverse those effects," the CBO said.

It's the second major report this week from the budget agency and its new director, Keith Hall. The first one, looking at the long-term budget outlook, said the federal fiscal picture is in bad shape and will need major help — and the sooner the better.

Repealing Obamacare, however, won't help that picture, and will actually lead to $137 billion in new deficits over the next decade, chiefly because a repeal would not only end hefty government health care spending, but would also end the tax hikes Mr. Obama is counting on to pay for that higher spending.

The figure would be much higher, to the tune of $353 billion, without the faster-growing economy that would result from repeal, the CBO said.

"Today's CBO report is very clear. Any way you slice it, repealing the Affordable Care Act will add hundreds of billions of dollars to the deficit," House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, California Democrat, said. [The FREE MONEY argument!]

Repealing Obamacare would increase federal deficits by $137 billion over the 10-year budget window.

GOP leaders, though, swiftly accentuated the report's findings on the labor market.

"CBO has determined what many in Congress have known all along," Senate Budget Chairman Mike Enzi, Utah Republican, said. "This law acts as an anchor on our economy by dragging down employment and reducing labor force participation … While CBO's report notes that the deficit impact of repealing the law is highly uncertain, and could even reduce the deficit, it does show that repealing this law will boost nationwide employment and grow the economy."

The GOP is hatching a strategy to repeal all or part of Obamacare through a fast-track tool known as "budget reconciliation," which allows the GOP-led Congress to pass new legislation on a simple majority vote in the Senate.

Mr. Obama could still veto whatever bill they produce, and Republicans must prove to the Senate's referee, the parliamentarian, that their efforts would reduce — not raise — the deficit.

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Controversial MIT economist Jonathan Gruber reportedly played key role in ObamaCare law

MIT economist Jonathan Gruber, who claimed the authors of ObamaCare took advantage of what he called the "stupidity of the American voter," played a much bigger role in the law's drafting than previously acknowledged, according to a published report.

The Wall Street Journal, citing 20,000 pages of emails sent by Gruber between January 2009 and March 2010, reported Sunday that Gruber was frequently consulted by staffers and advisers for both the White House and the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) about the Affordable Care Act. Among the topics that Gruber discusses in the emails are media interviews, consultations with lawmakers, and even how to publicly describe his role.

The emails were released as the Supreme Court prepares to rule on the legality of federal health insurance exchange subsidies.

The Journal reports that the officials Gruber contacted by e-mail included Peter Orszag, then the director of the Office of Management and Budget (OMB); Jason Furman, an economic adviser to the president; and Ezekiel Emanuel, then a special adviser for health policy at OMB.

"His proximity to HHS and the White House was a whole lot tighter than they admitted," Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R- Utah, chairman of the House oversight committee, told the Journal. "There’s no doubt he was a much more integral part of this than they’ve said. He put up this facade he was an arm’s length away. It was a farce."

"As has been previously reported, Mr. Gruber was a widely used economic modeler for administrations and state governments run by both parties—both before and after the Affordable Care Act was passed," HHS spokeswoman Meaghan Smith told the Journal in a statement. "These emails only echo old news."...snipped

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/06/22/controversial-mit-economist-jonathan-gruber-reportedly-played-key-role-in/

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At California's ObamaCare Exchange, Failure Gets You a 27% Raise, Plus Bonus

overnment Work: Enrollment in Covered California was flat this year, and consumers hate it. But the director still got a huge raise and a fat bonus. So much for ObamaCare rooting out health care waste.

The 1.4 million who signed up for an ObamaCare plan through Covered California, and who are paying a $13.95 fee every month for the privilege, might be interested to learn that Executive Director Peter Lee just got a 26.8% raise, plus a $65,000 bonus, which is bigger than the $53,000 bonus he received last year.

To put this in perspective, Lee's base salary of $333,120 is 49% higher than the average health insurance CEO in the country, and 69% higher than all the CEOs in California, according to Bureau of Labor Statistics data.

We don't begrudge people for being well compensated for their success. But in this case, Lee is being rewarded by Covered California for what looks like a rather astounding string of failures.

Enrollment in the state exchange climbed only about 1% this year, leaving it 300,000 below Lee's goal of 1.7 million. And because the exchange relies on enrollment fees to operate, low sign-ups put the exchange in financial jeopardy.

According to Covered California's proposed budget, released in May, it expects to run an operating deficit of $98 million next fiscal year, and $41 million the year after that. And those numbers assume the exchange can wring 21% out of its budget over the next two years while sharply increasing enrollment.

Lee himself admitted in December that there are questions about the "long-term sustainability of the organization."

We also recently learned, thanks to former CBS News investigative reporter Sharyl Attkisson, that Covered California suffered from "gross incompetence and mismanagement" as it was getting started. Attkisson reported her findings in a two-part piece on the Daily Signal.

This May, the Columbia Journalism Review called for "stronger (media) coverage of Covered California" because of the challenges it's facing and because it's the "largest state-run health insurance exchange."...snipped

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-obama-care/062215-758475-covered-california-director-gets-big-raise-and-fat-bonus.htm

As I expected, long-term sustainability of the organization." is in doubt


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scotus won't overturn the obamacare. It will be a political decision, not a legal opinion.
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Morning Joe Panel Mocks White House For Lies About Gruber’s Role In ObamaCare
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85Mm62-Wq7Q
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chatham
Jun 23 2015, 08:09 PM
scouts won't overturn the obamacare. It will be a political decision, not a legal opinion.
How they'd word the opinion would be of interest! On the outcome, that would allow states shift cost of running an exchange over to the fed's and open the door wider for single-payer.

Should the ruling go to the plaintiffs, those states with an exchange will need more money.
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So much for Roberts and the court not protecting "the people from the consequences of their political choices"...
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'In this instance, the context and structure of the Act compel us to depart from what would otherwise be the most natural reading of the pertinent statutory phrase'...


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by MONA CHAREN

June 25, 2015

“The Court’s decision reflects the philosophy that judges should endure whatever interpretive distortions it takes in order to correct a supposed flaw in the statutory machinery. That philosophy ignores the American people’s decision to give Congress “[a]ll legislative Powers” enumerated in the Constitution. Art. I, §1. They made Congress, not this Court, responsible for both making laws and mending them. This Court holds only the judicial power—the power to pronounce the law as Congress has enacted it. We lack the prerogative to repair laws that do not work out in practice, just as the people lack the ability to throw us out of office if they dislike the solutions we concoct. We must always remember, therefore, that “our task is to apply the text, not to improve upon it.” Pavelic & LeFlore v. Marvel Entertainment Group, Div. of Cadence Indus- tries Corp., 493 U. S. 120, 126 (1989).


Trying to make its judge-empowering approach seem respectful of congressional authority, the Court asserts that its decision merely ensures that the Affordable Care Act operates the way Congress “meant [it] to operate.” Ante, at 17. First of all, what makes the Court so sure that Congress “meant” tax credits to be available every- where? Our only evidence of what Congress meant comes from the terms of the law, and those terms show beyond all question that tax credits are available only on state Exchanges.

More importantly, the Court forgets that ours is a government of laws and not of men. That means we are governed by the terms of our laws, not by the unen- acted will of our lawmakers. “If Congress enacted into law something different from what it intended, then it should amend the statute to conform to its intent.” Lamie, supra, at 542. In the meantime, this Court “has no roving license . . . to disregard clear language simply on the view that . . . Congress ‘must have intended’ something broader.” Bay Mills, 572 U. S., at ___ (slip op., at 11).”




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http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/06/supreme-court-upholds-obamacare-subsidies.php#comments

The vote was 6-3. Chief Justice Roberts wrote the opinion. The dissenters were Justices Scalia, Thomas, and Alito.

Two big wins for the Obama administration today, the other being the housing case (see post below).

UPDATE: According to SCOTUSblog, where I’m following today’s developments, the majority acknowledges the strength of the argument that the plain language of the statute permits subsidies only on state exchanges. However, the majority says that “in this instance, the context and structure of the Act compel us to depart from what would otherwise be the most natural reading of the pertinent statutory phrase.”

The majority also states: “Congress passed the Affordable Care Act to improve health insurance markets, not to destroy them.”

It looks to me like Roberts and Kennedy simply were unwilling to upset the health insurance markets to the extent that a ruling against the government would have. Not surprisingly, pragmatism trumped a proper reading of the law.

Thus, Justice Scalia is not off-base when he suggests in his dissent that, henceforth, the Affordable Care Act be called “SCOTUScare.” The Supreme Court has done what Congress didn’t do — grant subsidies to those purchasing insurance on the federal exchange.



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I'm not likely to read the Robert's opinion since I don't have a problem reading words and understanding their clear intent.
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chatham
Jun 23 2015, 08:09 PM
scotus won't overturn the obamacare. It will be a political decision, not a legal opinion.
looks like Chatham was right.

In the end SCOTUS is a political anaimal

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And in today's other big decision:

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SUPREME COURT FINDS DISPARATE IMPACT CLAIMS COGNIZABLE IN HOUSING CASES

The Supreme Court has just affirmed the Fifth Circuit’s ruling that the Fair Housing Act allows lawsuits based on disparate impact – that is, an allegation that a law or practice has a discriminatory effect, even if it wasn’t based on a discriminatory purpose. The case is Texas Department of Housing and Community Affairs v. The Inclusive Communities Project.

The vote was 5-4. Justice Kennedy wrote the opinion.

Without reading the opinion, it’s difficult to evaluate the decision, but it appears to be an important victory for the left.

Among other consequences, the Supreme Court apparently has given the green light to the Obama administration’s “Affirmatively Forwarding Fair Housing” agenda. As we have warned, this is a program through which the left, leveraging disparate impact theory, seeks to use the power of the national government to create communities of a certain kind, each having what the federal government deems an appropriate mix of economic, racial, and ethnic diversity.

Let’s hope that Justice Kennedy’s opinion contains limiting principles that might serve as an obstacle to such massive overreach.

Ironically, the Justice Department settled two cases in which this issue was headed towards a ruling by the Supreme Court. With disparate impact theory widely accepted in the lower courts, DOJ desperately wanted to avoid having the Supreme Court assess it.

The Obama administration need not have worried. The Supreme Court is, for the most part, a paper tiger, as its ruling today in the Obamacare subsidies case reminds us.

The Supreme Court doesn’t bark and the caravan moves on.
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Baldo
Jun 25 2015, 09:57 AM
chatham
Jun 23 2015, 08:09 PM
scotus won't overturn the obamacare. It will be a political decision, not a legal opinion.
looks like Chatham was right.

In the end SCOTUS is a political anaimal

Right he was. I also never thought they would overturn it after the last decision. I am surprised it was a 6-3 decision this time around.
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wingedwheel
Jun 25 2015, 09:29 AM
So much for Roberts and the court not protecting "the people from the consequences of their political choices"...
Exactly. Sorry to say, but our Chief Justice is a hypocrite
and such a disappointment.
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"It's wrong, but they meant well, so we are letting it go."

What in the world is the SC doing?

We are going to lose so much in the coming years...
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