| Healthcare Bill Part III; Obamacare | |
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| kbp | Jun 4 2015, 09:53 AM Post #1951 |
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Rather weak! |
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| kbp | Jun 4 2015, 01:47 PM Post #1952 |
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http://www.nationalreview.com/article/419248/pro-obamacare-ad-features-woman-who-already-had-insurance-joel-gehrke |
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| kbp | Jun 4 2015, 02:11 PM Post #1953 |
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Treasury officials who ordered IRS to strike "established by the state" from subsidy rule were called to testify before a Senate committee today. Never mind, they did NOT show up! (why now and not much sooner I have no ide!). Edited by kbp, Jun 4 2015, 02:12 PM.
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| kbp | Jun 4 2015, 02:26 PM Post #1954 |
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Yeah, except for the changes made under orders from officials at the Treasury Department ...those which will not testify to Congress. |
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| LTC8K6 | Jun 4 2015, 03:04 PM Post #1955 |
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Assistant to The Devil Himself
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A faster death spiral, I guess. Obamacare costs are untenable. |
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| Baldo | Jun 4 2015, 03:10 PM Post #1956 |
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No, New York Times, “guesswork” is not the reason ACA premiums are rising The New York Times, whose editorial board has long been a strong supporter of the Affordable Care Act, published an article on its front page yesterday in which the headline read, “Seeking Rate Increases, Insurers Use Guesswork.” And, lest there be much doubt that the article suggested that speculation — the sort that regulators might understandably reject as a basis for premium hikes — rather than hard facts were leading to the frightening premium hikes, here are some quotes selected by author Reed Abelson for publication: “But many insurers, including those seeking relatively hefty increases below 10 percent, say they are asking for higher premiums because they remain unsure about the future and what their medical costs will be.” “It’s the year of actuarial uncertainty, and actuaries are conservative,” said Dr. Martin Hickey, chairman of the National Alliance of State Health CO-OPs and the chief executive of the New Mexico exchange. “The safest thing to do is to raise rates.” Yes, to be sure, there was the suggestion in other parts of the article that higher than expected claims were part of the problem, but both the headline and remaining comments suggest that the high rates of increase were the result of unsupported speculation. Wrong, New York Times! If you actually read the justifications for the premium increases submitted by insurers and their accompanying actuarial memoranda, you can see there are two dominant themes: (1) higher than expected claims expenses and (2) diminution of federal subsidies to the insurance industry. You can also see lengthy memoranda containing facts and figures explaining their experience last year and the basis for their trending those experiences into the future. And, while one need not invariably take the insurance industry at its word or at face value, this is an instance where they have to make the best case possible for their rate increases. Regulators will scrutinize insurers’ work. Misstatements or rank guessing would seem to be against the insurance industry’s interest. So instead of quoting people, who might themselves be guessing, let’s look at what the insurers actually said. I am going to bore you with 17 representative filings from across the nation. I do so because I want to make clear that the evidence is overwhelming. Most of these are contained in or accompanied by lengthy memoranda containing elaborate tables justifying the increases. I’ve attempted to be diverse in my selection of insurers to avoid repetition of, for example, the Blue Cross position or the Aetna position....snipped ...... Conclusion So, does this sound like “guesswork” to you? It does not to me. All of these insurers are lying or mistaken about what is causing their requests for premium hikes? I don’t think so. Of course, there is “trending” in which insurers approximate how previous increases will continue to the future and this requires some art on the part of insurers. Of course, insurers may want to present their requests for rate hikes in a way more likely to be approved. But what they have presented is no more “guesswork” here than the work of any insurer in setting rates for almost any form of insurance. It is the sort of actuarial projections that are generally approved by regulators. Health insurers now have a decent feel what it is going to cost them to participate in Obamacare. And these insurers have a pretty common perspective: the whopping increase are driven by greater utilization than expected among those electing coverage (adverse selection and moral hazard), increases in the cost of medicine, and reduction of federal subsidies. Exactly what some people predicted. http://acadeathspiral.org/2015/06/02/no-new-york-times-guesswork-is-not-the-reason-aca-premiums-are-rising/ But Obama, Reid, & Pelosi said it was going to lower healthcare costs! BTW you can read the explanation of the 17 representative filings, but I doubt anyone in Congress reads anything. Edited by Baldo, Jun 4 2015, 03:17 PM.
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| MikeZPU | Jun 4 2015, 03:56 PM Post #1957 |
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It will be very sad if Roberts wimps out again. That ass Obama. For him to make the outrageously ludicrous claim that every aspect of Obamacare was vigorously debated before it was passed ... he is such an in-your-face liar. If Roberts takes the approach he took last time, he shouldn't care what the repercussions of his decision is, only interpreting the law as it was written (and even, in this case, as it was clearly intended.) It is a dangerous state of affairs for this country if neither the top military brass or the Supreme Court will not stand up to a President who, in fact, is out of control. |
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| kbp | Jun 4 2015, 04:16 PM Post #1958 |
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...diminution of federal subsidies to the insurance industry. I browsed through the "17 representative filings from across the nation." That quote above is a very polite way of saying Congress will not appropriate funds for the 3-R's not previously appropriated with the law, specifically the unfunded government bailout. As for the "guesswork," I previously mentioned that this is the first rate adjustment made using a full year of data to determine where the costs are. |
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| kbp | Jun 4 2015, 05:04 PM Post #1959 |
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I've grabbed a few quotes to show what made the increases hit. Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Alabama ...Reinsurance program changes Cigna Health and Life Insurance Company (Connecticut) ...Transitional Reinsurance Program Changes Aetna Health, Inc. (Florida) ...Several requirements related to the Affordable Care Act (ACA) impact these rates. Humana Employers Health Plan of Georgia, Inc. (Georgia) ...Changes to plan designs due to changes in federal requirements. Wellmark Health Plan of Iowa, Inc. ...Phase out of Federal Transitional Reinsurance Program HealthPlus Insurance Company Another driver is due to the lower Federal reinsurance recoveries. [LMAO!!!] Coventry Health & Life Insurance ...Phase-out of the Transitional Reinsurance Program which increases rates for plans issued to individuals [lost the redistribution!!] Aetna Health Inc. (Nevada) ...Expenses for emergency treatment have increased 22.7%...Phase-out of the Transitional Reinsurance Program Blue Cross Blue Shield of New Mexico (New Mexico) ...premiums were $84,497,659, claims were $105,605,811 Medical Mutual of Ohio ...paid $167 million ...received $114 million ...transitional reinsurance recovery decreased Geisinger Quality Options (Pennsylvania) ...reduced benefits in the Transitional Reinsurance Program. Pacific Source Health Plans (Oregon) ...increase in rates ...driven by worsening claims experience ...federal reinsurance recoveries Scott & White Health Plan (Texas) ...Risk Adjustment and Reinsurance assumptions Security HealthPlan of Wisconsin (Wisconsin) ...lower federal transitional reinsurance recoveries HealthNet of Arizona ...2014 premiums received were $127,867,744. Claims paid were $171,764,569 You should read all of the reported excerpts from the rate applications. Many cite cost issues that are the DIRECT result of the Obamacare law these companies serve through the exchanges ...pre-existing conditions, no excluding customers, adjusted community rating methods... what a joke!!!!!!! Bottom line: lost money and the BIG bailout disappeared! . Edited by kbp, Jun 4 2015, 05:05 PM.
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| kbp | Jun 5 2015, 08:21 AM Post #1960 |
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More on why the premiums will keep going up, up, up... as they add more FREE PILL type Obamacare coverage!...Hepatitis B screening for adolescents and adults at high risk ...including those from countries where the infection is common (allowance for immigrants!) Even with the statewide pooling system, the community ratings will allow the companies to limit the premium increases from that specific preventive care process to the regions that are most likely to encounter Hepatitis B. Though it is not a part of what the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force has recommended, recall my previous post about housing being provided as preventive care. California wants to use Medicaid funds to house the "chronically homeless," as a preventive care service. The preventive care thingy is justifies in their minds as a method "to help patients without overburdening taxpayers." Obamacare grants have been used for housing in California, New York, Massachusetts and Louisiana, while the Dept. of Health and Human Services has recommended it as “supportive housing.” If they go any further with it at Medicaid, housing the "chronically homeless" will soon follow as “supportive housing” for preventive care under ALL insurance through the Obamacare redistribution system. Of course with housing in place, then the needs that accompany it will include climate control (heat, A/C), lighting, water, cable TV, home security to ease the worries, lawn care, maintenance... all to prevent illnesses... all redistributed throughout whatever insurance pool sets your premiums! For any that think this is a likely exaggeration of what will happen, think back 5+ years ago how likely it was then you thought all women would get the FREE PILL. . Edited by kbp, Jun 5 2015, 08:24 AM.
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| kbp | Jun 5 2015, 08:56 AM Post #1961 |
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http://khn.org/news/growing-pains-for-state-obamacare-exchanges/ Growing Pains For State Obamacare Exchanges The states that set up their own insurance marketplaces have nothing to lose in King V. Burwell, the big Supreme Court case that will be decided by the end of June. But that doesn’t mean those states are breathing easy. With varying degrees of difficulty, all of the state-based exchanges are struggling to figure out how to become financially self-sufficient as the spigot of federal start-up money shuts off. Minnesota – Tough Politics Even though Minnesota’s exchange – MNsure – ran much more smoothly in its second year than its disastrous first, some Republicans opposed to Obamacare from the beginning hoped to do away with it this legislative session. “This has been an abject failure from day one to present. If you’re denying that, your head is in the sand,” said state Rep. Nick Zerwas. His colleague, Rep. Nancy Franson, said: “We should have never gotten into the exchange. We should just move straight to the federal exchange and bypass the state of Minnesota.” Even the Democratic architect of the law that created MNsure wanted to dissolve its board and make MNsure a state agency rather than an independent body. [We're seeing a trend at state and federal levels where they want to hand off taxing and regulatory authority to an entity outside of the control of the people ...resembling the Federal Reserve.] In the end, lawmakers ended their session leaving MNsure intact. But they voted to ask the feds to allow Minnesotans to get tax subsidies for health insurance regardless of whether they shop on the open market or through MNsure. The legislature also created a bipartisan task force to consider MNsure’s future. Republican Rep. Matt Dean says those relatively small measures make a big point. “The final agreement I think that we have going to the governor right now acknowledges that there’s major trouble with MNsure, that the current situation is not sustainable,” Dean said. Democratic Sen. Tony Lourey helped create MNsure. He likes the idea of letting Minnesotans shop outside of MNSure and still get subsidies, but, he said, “I’m not particularly optimistic that it would be approved by federal officials. If it were approved, I think we would have to talk about then how do we structure the financing of the exchange.” [That would require an act passed by both houses of Congress and signed by the POTUS.] He says it would be even more difficult to fund the exchange with far fewer customers unless they could bring in new money. One option is to add a tax to all health plans sold, not just those sold on MNsure. Meanwhile, with fewer people signing up for plans through MNsure than anticipated, revenue is way down. That coupled with federal money drying up by year’s end has MNsure moving to cut $2.5 million from its budget over the next three years. [Of course the cost of running a state exchange is not included in the Obamacare cost the CBO gave us!] Colorado – Glitches And Expenses Colorado’s exchange has cleared its political hurdles for the most part, but technical glitches and financial challenges remain – as Marc Drillings knows all too well. He wanted to buy insurance on the Connect for Health, Colorado’s exchange. But when he went online to enroll, the system mistakenly showed that his monthly premium would be $800 for him and his wife, much higher than it should have been. He tried to fix it, he said, and his application got stuck in limbo for two months. “You enter bureaucratic hell, where no one can figure out what’s wrong, how to fix it, or who to even talk to get it done,” said Drillings. He’s a chiropractor, so he’s used to dealing with insurance forms, but sorting it out took still took him at least 50 hours he said. Eventually, he enrolled in a plan for about $300 a month. As many as 10 percent of those who signed up faced such problems, says Kevin Patterson, the exchange’s interim CEO. Fixing them chewed up staff time and cost millions, he said. “I think it’s fair to say we do have a slight hit to the brand,” Patterson said. His predecessor, Gary Drews, pointed out the exchange’s successes. He said its enrollment numbers are strong, and the state’s uninsured rate fell from 17 percent to 11 percent. Still, Drews admitted, the takeoff has been bumpy even in the second year. “It’s a little bit like trying to fly as you’re putting the wings on,” he said. Although it had bipartisan support, Colorado’s exchange, faced expensive technical fixes, leadership turnover and questions from state auditors about its financial controls. Add to that the big whammy: $183 million in federal startup money is running out. So the exchange plans to tighten its belt and consumers will feel the pinch. Fees on premiums will go up next year. “I don’t know if it’s sustainable,” said Republican state senator Ellen Roberts, who heads a legislative oversight committee. She says another big issue for Colorado is Medicaid. The state had a smoother signup process for Medicaid than many other states, and the exchange footed much of the bill. Now the exchange is asking the feds to pick up some of those signup costs. Roberts said it’s going to be hard for the exchange to make the transition to self-sufficiency. “Either we’re going to try and make our best efforts to sort this out, or people will throw up their hands and walk away,” she said. Despite the hassles he faced, chiropractor Marc Drillings said he won’t walk away. “If it works for 95% of the population, that’s still an A,” Drillings said. [About 85% of those using the exchange are unlikely to notice the costs for premium increases or the tax increases to pay for operating that exchange.] Connecticut – Success At A Price Connecticut’s exchange did so well in the first year that it’s marketing its services to other states that are still struggling. And generally Access Health CT is having a smoother transition from start-up to established business. “The first two years, we needed a much bigger call center to be able to answer questions and talk about how to navigate our website and things like that. We needed a much bigger technology team,” said CEO Jim Wadleigh. The task ahead is to change and shrink the organization to match its new mission. Wadleigh said he is letting consultants’ contracts expire and he is leaving some senior positions unfilled. “All of our teams have gotten smaller,” he said. The exchange brings in upward of $26 million a year by charging insurers who sell individual and small group policies on or off of the exchange. That will be the biggest source of money going forward. Selling its administrative services to other exchanges could bring in additional cash. “We have had some conversations with probably about a half a dozen states at this point about what are some of those opportunities,” he said. With more than $150 million in federal money gone [poof!] and not coming back, Wadleigh has two goals. One is keeping consumer prices as low as they can be and the second is keeping customers satisfied. He is optimistic the exchange can do it. “I think we’re there,” he said. But that confidence comes at a price: the exchange had to raise the assessment that insurers pay in order to fund smooth operations. [Think back to Gruber & Kerry telling us they'd tax the insurance companies ...the stupid voters would not know that tax is added to their premiums! Connecticut is the best of the state exchanges and it is having budget problems.] . |
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| kbp | Jun 5 2015, 09:32 AM Post #1962 |
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Barry tells you how it helps hospitals and the poor while the hospital tells you how it hurts them. You have to expect a problem when the federal government tells you (hospitals) how much they must get paid! ...626,000 more people would get their cholesterol checked each year LOL! If you force them to go get the testing done. That preventive care cost reduction argument flew out the window long ago. Recall Obamacare brought us an increase in emergency room visits of greater than 20%. I suppose the good news is that the increase will go done some over time, as the Obamacare policy holders learn what out-of-pocket costs means! Meanwhile, as you consider the claim of "Hospitals' non-reimbursed costs for treating patients would be $4.5 billion lower," toss in consideration for the CBO's 2016 projected cost of $62 billion to the taxpayers to cover this Medicaid expansion ...and $70 billion for 2017 and $76 billion for 2018 and $80 billion for 2019 ...$710 billion the first decade it is available, way over $1 trillion dollars for the next decade that follows... but the cholesterol checks will go up! Edited by kbp, Jun 5 2015, 09:33 AM.
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| kbp | Jun 5 2015, 09:46 AM Post #1963 |
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http://www.wsj.com/articles/hhss-burwell-uninsured-would-spike-if-supreme-court-rules-against-health-law-1433427804 HHS’s Burwell Sees Spike in Uninsured if Supreme Court Rules Against Health Law Health and Human Services secretary says health law has improved care quality and affordability Health and Human Services Secretary Sylvia Mathews Burwell said Thursday that a potential Supreme Court decision voiding the health law’s tax credits would create widespread disruption, but that federal officials were prepared to work with states to mitigate the effects. A move by the court to strike a key component of the 2010 federal health-care overhaul could mean “the number of uninsured would jump dramatically” and that a “death spiral” would ensue in insurance markets in most of the country, she said, as sicker people kept coverage and healthier ones dropped it. [IOW, an obstacle in the health redistribution process] [...] Ms. Burwell raised the prospect of states figuring out a way to work with the federal government to preserve residents’ tax credits if necessary. She cited examples of states such as Nevada and Hawaii, which had been attempting to run their own exchanges, looking to Washington for help in operating their technology. She also said Democratic-led Delaware and Pennsylvania, which rely on the federally run HealthCare.gov site, had signaled their interest in forging a similar partnership in which they would take over some responsibilities in order to be considered in control of their exchange. Few other states without state-run exchanges have Democratic leaders that could do this easily, and Republican-led states have indicated this would also be a stretch for them. Still, the possibility of such an arrangement hasn’t been acknowledged before by federal officials. [That would require an act of Congress, but I suppose an EO with a lawsuit to follow can be expected!] [...] Ms. Burwell also addressed the performance of the Affordable Care Act more broadly, whether or not tax credits are upheld. She said the law had brought about significant coverage gains but also indicated the administration could continue to revise downward its expectations of the number of people who gain private coverage through the law. “I think it is an evolving picture,” she said. She also said the coverage gains would be checked, in part, by the law’s exclusions on unauthorized immigrants. “There are people in our country who probably won’t end up in the system without solutions to immigration issues,” she said. [...] |
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| Baldo | Jun 5 2015, 12:29 PM Post #1964 |
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Let's solve Healthcare for legal residents first. |
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| kbp | Jun 5 2015, 02:32 PM Post #1965 |
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For a single person, the 100% to 400% of Federal Poverty Level allowance tells us an annual income of $11,670 to $46,680 qualifies you for subsidies. The minimum out-of-pocket for all is $2,050 per year. Approximately 3.0% of our population, from the lower income levels that qualify for subsidies, is enrolled in Obamacare, while only 0.5% of our population enrolled is not getting the subsidies. How many do you think can afford the out-of-pocket expense?
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