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Healthcare Bill Part III; Obamacare
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Topic Started: Mar 3 2014, 02:20 PM (48,578 Views)
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kbp
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May 27 2015, 01:20 PM
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More on Pear's BS...
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http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-05-26/obamacare-s-intent-just-read-the-lawObamacare's Intent? Just Read the LawBy Megan McArdle By the end of next month, the Supreme Court will have released its decision in King v. Burwell, the case that will determine whether subsidies will be available for insurance purchased through a federally operated exchange. The plaintiffs say this is impermissible, because the law provides for subsidies only for policies purchased on exchanges "established by the state", probably inserted in the law as an inducement to states to set up exchanges. The defenders of the status quo argue that this is insane, because they'd never structure the system so as to risk having needy people lose subsidies, and because no one who actually worked on the law remembers having any such intention. Robert Pear airs both of the defender's points for the New York Times, interviewing political folks who were there during the negotiations, and staffers who helped draft the legislative language. Naturally, given my continuing opposition to Obamacare, a number of Obamacare supporters have asked me what I thought of this, with veiled hints that I should find this totally devastating to the arguments in the King case. My actual reaction is as follows: 1. This is not new. 2. This is incomplete. 3. This is not legally relevant, for good reason. 4. If it were legally relevant, it would not be as helpful to the case as liberals think. This is not the first time a media outlet has talked to folks who were involved in the process, and recorded them saying that they never, no way and no how, intended to deny subsidies to states--or reasoning, like Olympia Snowe in Pear's article, that they couldn't have set it up this way, because it would be crazy to choose a structure that threatened subsidies for people in states that didn't set up exchanges. These articles, however, often don't provide important counterarguments. For example: Congress indisputably chose exactly that crazy, insane, totally inconceivable structure for the Medicaid expansion passed in the same law. In fact, it was considerably more coercive: if you didn't expand, you lost all your Medicaid funding, not just the new stuff. Why would Congress choose a structure that might result in a net loss of insurance coverage? We can sit around and speculate, but ultimately the correct answer is "Who cares? They did." [...]
- “Why would we have wanted to deny people subsidies? It was not their fault if their state did not set up an exchange.”
Olympia J. Snowe I don't know.... why would you help write a law that would deny coverage for those even poorer? Can you spell "coercion" for us?
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May 27 2015, 01:43 PM
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Californians gripe about Obamacare enrollment snags, lack of doctors
Nearly 1,500 Californians file complaints about Obamacare coverage from January to April
Covered California commends insurers that expanded their provider networks to serve higher enrollment
Nearly 1,500 Californians have complained to state regulators in the last four months about their Obamacare coverage purchased through California's insurance exchange..New data reveal the biggest category of complaints centers on getting confirmation of health plan enrollment and basic issues such as getting an identification card to obtain care. Many consumers have also encountered difficulty finding a doctor who accepts their new coverage, as well as frustration with inaccurate provider lists, according to the California Department of Managed Health Care.
"If you have a medical condition and can't get care that is a very serious issue," said Marta Green, spokeswoman for the managed healthcare agency. "We are still working to resolve many of these cases."
Health insurers and officials at the Covered California exchange say they are working hard too to address consumers' gripes. They say some problems are inevitable from such a massive overhaul and that the number of complaints is a small fraction of the more than 1 million Californians who signed up under the Affordable Care Act. Consumer frustration with smaller physician networks has drawn the most attention statewide.
About 12% of the 1,459 exchange customers who complained to the state cited an access to care problem, according to state figures. The data cover complaints received from Jan. 1 to April 30. Not surprisingly, Green said, the two largest health plans in Covered California accounted for the most complaints overall and in the category of access to providers. Anthem Blue Cross, a unit of industry giant WellPoint Inc., received 658 complaints through April and nearly 13% dealt with provider issues, state data show.
Blue Shield of California was next with 461 complaints and 17% focused on finding an in-network doctor....snipped
http://www.latimes.com/business/healthcare/la-fi-obamacare-california-exchange-complaints-20140522-story.html
There are problems. Currently there is a commercial running calling on people to call their legislators to demand more funding for Medical coverage of children because there are not enough local doctors or hospitals accepting them.
I also suspect there is some rivalry between Medical & Covered California. Covered California wants people to sign up with them if they have company insurance availability but say you still have to pay the difference. Some of those people are eligible for Medical which is run by County Welfare but the Covered California doesn't tell them. Looks like Covered California just wants numbers
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May 27 2015, 04:14 PM
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Well, Ezra Klein had to jump in!!!
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http://www.vox.com/2015/5/27/8667813/king-burwell-obamacare-new-york-timesThe New York Times blows a hole in the case against ObamacareThere are basically two versions of the looming Supreme Court case against Obamacare . One of them makes sense but doesn't pose enough of a threat to Obamacare to satisfy Republicans. The other poses a real threat to Obamacare, but it's never made much sense — and the New York Times just blew a hole right through the middle of it. [...] This argument has baffled pretty much everyone who covered Obamacare's passage. Withholding subsidies from federal exchanges would have sparked a huge debate, because it is an absolutely insane policy idea, but there is no record of any member of Congress on either side of the aisle ever mentioning it. Moreover, the Congressional Budget Office, which worked with Congress to produce the official cost estimates for Obamacare, always assumed that all exchanges received subsidies. [...] Not much in the way of specific details to support his argument.
He ignores that Medicaid expansion was written using a much worse "absolutely insane policy idea," if withholding free health care access is insane.
As for the CBO, they just used the limits the Democrats told them to use ...ALL the states cooperating.
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May 27 2015, 09:54 PM
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Overhead costs exploding under ObamaCare, study finds
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/243188-overhead-costs-exploding-under-obamacare
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May 27 2015, 10:01 PM
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That is overhead of the health care process, not just insurance. Recall the new connections from the required computer programs was to reduce that cost.
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May 27 2015, 10:20 PM
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...the study's other author, Steffie Woolhandler ... said private insurers have been expanding their administrative overhead despite some regulations from the Obama administration to control those costs, such as the medical loss ratio, which requires a certain amount of premium dollars to be spent directly on healthcare. She argues that a better approach would be a type of Medicare-for-all system. Going off memory... the regulations (or law) limits overhead and profit allowance to 10% each. The industry average was lower. That seems to leave room for HHS to push the cost up!
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May 27 2015, 10:31 PM
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http://www.cnbc.com/id/102707721Obamacare's big overhead costs to top $270BThat sure is a lot of paper clips. Obamacare is set to add more than a quarter-of-a-trillion—that's trillion—dollars in extra insurance administrative costs to the U.S. health-care system, according to a new report out Wednesday. (Tweet this) The $273.6 billion in additional insurance overhead represents an average of $1,375 per newly insured person, per year, from 2012 through 2022. The overhead cost equals a whopping 22.5 percent of the total estimated $2.76 trillion in all federal government spending for the Affordable Care Act programs during that time, according to the authors of the online report on the Health Affairs blog. [...] ...equals ... 22.5 percent of the total...
WOW! .
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May 28 2015, 08:08 AM
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http://blogs.rollcall.com/wgdb/cruz-threatens-to-subpoena-treasury-officials-to-testify-about-obamacare-rules/Cruz Threatens to Subpoena Treasury Officials to Testify About Obamacare RulesSen. Ted Cruz is warning he might seek to compel testimony from the Treasury Department about the Affordable Care Act. The Texas Republican presidential candidate, who has the gavel of the Judiciary Subcommittee on Oversight, Agency Action, Federal Rights and Federal Courts, said his staff had been informed by the Obama administration that witnesses would not be available to testify about the rule-making process for providing subsidies under Obamacare because of ongoing litigation. “For two main reasons, this excuse is entirely invalid,” Cruz wrote in a new letter to Treasury Secretary Jacob J. Lew. “First, Congress retains its right to conduct oversight of the executive branch at all times, regardless of any perceptions of poor timing by, or inconvenience to, the executive branch. The Senate Judiciary Committee has obligations to ensure the proper functioning of the federal government at all times, and not just during windows of convenience for political officials. Second, your Department’s pending litigation justification is without basis, particularly given how you have provided at least one Department witness for the exact same topic during the pendency of other litigation over the last few years.” In the letter, Cruz said if three tax policy officials at the Treasury Department are not made available on a voluntary basis, he may pursue other methods to get them to appear. The subcommittee had been planning to hold the hearing on June 4. The Senate Finance Committee has primary jurisdiction over tax issues, but other committees have been holding hearings about the health care law’s implementation. “If you do not opt to assist Congress and make all three individuals available voluntarily, I may have no choice but to pursue other options, including compulsory process, to make them available for testimony,” Cruz wrote in the missive to Lew. “Please note, in the event we are compelled to use compulsory process to ensure the attendance of these witnesses, the two-week courtesy notice prior to testimony is no longer applicable, and these individuals can be summoned for testimony at any time deemed convenient for the Committee.” They wrote the subsidies rules to NOT include exchanges unless they were established by States, then changed it without a legal explanation. That was the big rewrite of the law, but there has been loads of other rewrites found since then. I'm not sure what Cruz and the Judiciary Subcommittee are looking for here.
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May 28 2015, 08:50 AM
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- May 27 2015, 09:54 PM
Go directly to the report on the "study" to see what they're doing here.
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http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2015/05/27/the-post-launch-problem-the-affordable-care-acts-persistently-high-administrative-costs/The Post-Launch Problem: The Affordable Care Act’s Persistently High Administrative Costs
Last year we, and many others, drew attention to the chaotic and costly roll out of the Affordable Care Act’s (ACA) exchanges. The chaos is mostly over (unless King prevails over Burwell), but the costs will linger on. The roughly $6 billion in exchange start-up costs pale in comparison to the ongoing insurance overhead that the ACA has added to our health care system — more than a quarter of a trillion dollars through 2022. Bloated Administrative CostsWe calculated these new overhead costs from the official National Health Expenditure Projections for 2012-2022 released by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS)’ Office of the Actuary in July 2014. The projections included separate tables projecting costs with, and without, the effects of the ACA, allowing calculation of the incremental insurance overhead costs directly attributable to the reform. We use the July 2014 release of projected figures because the projections released subsequently no longer included any “without ACA” figures. Although the latest projections forecast slightly lower health care cost growth in the coming decade—5.7 percent annually vs. 5.8 percent in the earlier release—this change would only minimally affect our estimates. The table below shows the CMS actuaries’ estimates for private insurance overhead and government program administration with and without the ACA. It also shows our estimates of the administrative cost increases attributable to the ACA, and the administrative cost per newly-insured person and as percent of federal government expenditures under the ACA (calculated using the CBO’s estimates of coverage and cost). Between 2014 and 2022, CMS projects $2.757 trillion in spending for private insurance overhead and administering government health programs (mostly Medicare and Medicaid), including $273.6 billion in new administrative costs attributable to the ACA. Nearly two-thirds of this new overhead—$172.2 billion—will go for increased private insurance overhead (data not shown in table). Most of this soaring private insurance overhead is attributable to rising enrollment in private plans which carry high costs for administration and profits. The rest reflects the costs of running the exchanges, which serve as brokers for the new private coverage and will be funded (after initial startup costs) by surcharges on exchange plans’ premiums. Government programs—primarily Medicaid—account for the remaining $101.4 billion increase in overhead. But even the added dollars to administer Medicaid will flow mostly to private Medicaid HMOs, which will account for 59 percent of total Medicaid administrative costs in 2022. (The subcontracting of Medicaid coverage to private HMOs has nearly doubled Medicaid’s administrative overhead, which has risen from 5.1 percent of total Medicaid expenditures in 1980 to 9.2 percent this year). The $273.6 billion in added insurance overhead under the ACA averages out to $1,375 per newly insured person per year, or 22.5 percent of the total federal government expenditures for the program. Better OptionsInsuring 25 million additional Americans, as the CBO projects the ACA will do, is surely worthwhile. But the administrative cost of doing so seems awfully steep, particularly when much cheaper alternatives are available. Traditional Medicare runs for 2 percent overhead, somewhat higher than insurance overhead in universal single payer systems like Taiwan’s or Canada’s. Yet traditional Medicare is a bargain compared to the ACA strategy of filtering most of the new dollars through private insurers and private HMOs that subcontract for much of the new Medicaid coverage. Indeed, dropping the overhead figure from 22.5 percent to traditional Medicare’s 2 percent would save $249.3 billion by 2022. The ACA isn’t the first time we’ve seen bloated administrative costs from a federal program that subcontracts for coverage through private insurers. Medicare Advantage plans’ overhead averaged 13.7 percent in 2011, about $1,355 per enrollee. But rather than learn from that mistake, both Democrats and Republicans seem intent on tossing more federal dollars to private insurers. Indeed, the House Republican’s initial budget proposal would have voucherized Medicare, eventually diverting almost the entire Medicare budget to private insurers (the measure passed by the House on April 30 dropped the “premium support” voucher scheme). In contrast, a universal single payer system would pare down both insurers’ and providers’ overhead, yielding huge administrative savings — $375 billion in 2012 according to one recent estimate. In health care, public insurance gives much more bang for each buck.  Shows how Obamacare increased the OH costs.
Obamacare = government solution which provides us the need for the next government solution ...single payer!
What I get from it is that Barry's $900 billion solution will cost over $2 trillion and his $2500/year savings will actually provide us "health care cost growth in the coming decade—5.7 percent annually" (that from his CMS staff!) ....in addition to the premium hikes that already hit us for the preventive care and FREE PILL issues. .
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May 28 2015, 09:09 AM
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May 28 2015, 09:15 AM
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- May 27 2015, 04:14 PM
Well, Ezra Klein had to jump in!!! - Quote:
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http://www.vox.com/2015/5/27/8667813/king-burwell-obamacare-new-york-timesThe New York Times blows a hole in the case against ObamacareThere are basically two versions of the looming Supreme Court case against Obamacare . One of them makes sense but doesn't pose enough of a threat to Obamacare to satisfy Republicans. The other poses a real threat to Obamacare, but it's never made much sense — and the New York Times just blew a hole right through the middle of it. [...] This argument has baffled pretty much everyone who covered Obamacare's passage. Withholding subsidies from federal exchanges would have sparked a huge debate, because it is an absolutely insane policy idea, but there is no record of any member of Congress on either side of the aisle ever mentioning it. Moreover, the Congressional Budget Office, which worked with Congress to produce the official cost estimates for Obamacare, always assumed that all exchanges received subsidies. [...]
Not much in the way of specific details to support his argument. He ignores that Medicaid expansion was written using a much worse "absolutely insane policy idea," if withholding free health care access is insane. As for the CBO, they just used the limits the Democrats told them to use ...ALL the states cooperating. Who had time to question or discuss it? As I recall, there wasn't much time between the bill being written and being passed. How much time was there between bills being passed in both houses of Congress and when it was presented to be signed? For such a massive piece of legislature, I don't think there was as much thought into writing it as people think.
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May 28 2015, 09:39 AM
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On Robert Pear, the "journalist" which wrote the article BS that stuck in my mind...

Recall that Rich Weinstein was the one who worked so hard to uncover the Gruber videos. Robert Pear was the "first real journalist" that Rich contacted.
Pear did nothing with it until days after it had hit all the headlines, at which time Pear worked with Gruber to help him let us know the guy was sorry he was so arrogant to call us all STUPID! .
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May 28 2015, 10:30 AM
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Well, Ezra Klein had to jump in!!! - Quote:
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http://www.vox.com/2015/5/27/8667813/king-burwell-obamacare-new-york-timesThe New York Times blows a hole in the case against ObamacareThere are basically two versions of the looming Supreme Court case against Obamacare . One of them makes sense but doesn't pose enough of a threat to Obamacare to satisfy Republicans. The other poses a real threat to Obamacare, but it's never made much sense — and the New York Times just blew a hole right through the middle of it. [...] This argument has baffled pretty much everyone who covered Obamacare's passage. Withholding subsidies from federal exchanges would have sparked a huge debate, because it is an absolutely insane policy idea, but there is no record of any member of Congress on either side of the aisle ever mentioning it. Moreover, the Congressional Budget Office, which worked with Congress to produce the official cost estimates for Obamacare, always assumed that all exchanges received subsidies. [...]
Not much in the way of specific details to support his argument. He ignores that Medicaid expansion was written using a much worse "absolutely insane policy idea," if withholding free health care access is insane. As for the CBO, they just used the limits the Democrats told them to use ...ALL the states cooperating.
Who had time to question or discuss it? As I recall, there wasn't much time between the bill being written and being passed. How much time was there between bills being passed in both houses of Congress and when it was presented to be signed? For such a massive piece of legislature, I don't think there was as much thought into writing it as people think. In reality they'd had years to write it, changing portions to provide whatever was necessary to get it thru Congress at any given D's v. R's balance in Congress. The Senate HELP and Finance committees had bills already written and available to read, both less tax credit subsidy friendly than the IRS re-write is!
They had control of both Houses of Congress before Barry was elected and were 99% certain the Dem's candidate would win long before the primary in '08. It's rather ironic that a Kennedy passing away rushed their schedule to tweak the bill in some manner that would get it passed. I think they were getting a little greedy until they saw the polls for Scott Brown, maybe even working for a strategy on how they could pass something AND hold a majority in the House after the 2010 election.
Going off wiki, the Senate passed it 12/24/09 and the House followed on 3/21/10. Those quoted in Ezra's and Pear's cheerleading BS had access to the bill and both unpassed bills used to put it together thru copy / paste. Had those concerned read the unpassed bills, they'd have know what to question and look for in the newest bill. The "those concerned" would not include R's, as their votes did not prevent passage. D's own it.
On the issue of "thought into writing it," the plain text and unpassed bills used to write it make it clear that federal exchanges were NOT to get subsidies. If they did not want the tax credit limitations to be similar to the terms in the unpassed bills, you'd think they would have concentrated on making it clear in the new bill.
It looks silly to me for Ezra and Pear to argue they were rushed using the unpassed bill to write a new one and the Congressional intent was to change the tax credit subsidies in the unpassed bills to be more friendly in the new bill ...a rush created by an election that would soon make it even more difficult to pass. .
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May 28 2015, 12:35 PM
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Citing higher-than-expected costs, Blue Cross and Blue Shield of New Mexico wants to raise premiums by an average of 51.6 percent on individual Affordable Care Act plans in 2016.
The company made the request in a preliminary rate proposal filed with New Mexico Insurance Superintendent John Franchini. Blue Cross and Blue Shield – which insures an estimated 600,000 people statewide – said the proposal affects an estimated 35,000 customers who signed up for qualified individual health plans through the New Mexico Health Insurance Exchange, but also those who bought the same plans off the exchange.
Franchini has the final authority to approve or not approve Blue Cross and Blue Shield’s request.
His office – including an in-house actuary and a contracted actuary – also will consider rate increase proposals from Presbyterian Health Plan and New Mexico Health Connections. Franchini said Presbyterian wants an average increase of 6 percent on its individual plan premiums, while New Mexico Health Connections seeks a bump of 4 to 5 percent on its individual plans.
Franchini said the other two companies selling through the exchange – Molina and Christus – did not ask for premium hikes in their preliminary proposals, though final requests are not due until June 15.
The new rates would go into effect Jan. 1.
Customers will have had a chance to shop around for coverage during an open enrollment period that begins Nov. 1.
Kurt Shipley, president of Blue Cross and Blue Shield of New Mexico, told the Journal this week the requested increase reflects the real costs of coverage rather than the projections the company used when setting initial rates. He said those who bought the individual plans tended to be older and in poorer health than expected. Others came to the company having not previously had health coverage.
“The rates we thought would be adequate were not enough,” Shipley said in a Journal interview. “As we obtained more information and paid claims and have gotten that additional experience, it’s clear to us that rates need to be higher in order to cover the costs associated with those plans.”
He said Blue Cross and Blue Shield lost money on such plans in 2014 and in 2015, but he would not provide an exact figure. Shipley did say “we’ve seen some very large and significant claims with this block of business.”
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http://www.abqjournal.com/591023/abqnewsseeker/blue-cross-seeking-51-percent-premium-hike.html
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May 28 2015, 10:31 PM
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Administration asks judge to toss House health care suit
WASHINGTON (AP) — A skeptical federal judge grilled Obama administration lawyers Thursday over the House GOP's health care lawsuit, sounding unlikely to side with the president and dismiss the case
"You don't really think that, do you?" U.S. District Judge Rosemary Collyer asked Justice Department attorney Joel McElvain in the opening moments of his argument, as he tried to assert that the House hadn't suffered a particular injury from Obama's health care law and therefore lacks a basis for suing.
"I have a very hard time taking that statement seriously," Collyer said. At other points she chided McElvain for his responses, saying "You are dodging my question" and "You may disagree with me but I happen to be the judge."
At issue in the case is some $175 billion the administration is paying health insurance companies over a decade to reimburse them for offering lowered rates for poor people. The House argues that Congress never specifically appropriated that money, and indeed denied an administration request for it, but that the administration is paying it anyway.
The House says this amounts to unconstitutionally co-opting Congress' power of the purse. The administration insists it is relying on an existing pot of money that it is allowed to use....snipped
http://news.yahoo.com/first-hearing-house-lawsuit-over-obama-health-law-071748217--politics.html
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