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| kbp | Jan 26 2015, 03:28 PM Post #1546 |
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http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/2012-IntroToCBO.pdf
(The report referenced is from the last link in my signature) So what made them conclude such in their report? Issa asked and they provided a response: Going to the response in paragraph 2, while skipping past the qualifiers, added excuses of no value, and the mention of earlier versions that were even more harsh on States not cooperating, we’re left with the only relevant part:
1311 tells how States establish exchanges 1321 tells how the fed establishes exchanges It is mentioned 9 times that State established exchanges provide tax credits. It is mentioned ZERO times that fed exchanges provide tax credits. What “legislative language” did they review? . |
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| kbp | Jan 27 2015, 10:26 AM Post #1547 |
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Adding to the previous post on the CBO matters, including information from Chatham in the SOTU thread. In addition to all the backdoor maneuvers and outright illegal activities, such as writing legislation with the executive pen, the "nonpartisan" CBO has been exposing itself quite a bit throughout the Obamacare processing. The obvious lies are mounting! Note the CBO started with a law that would kill Medicaid in any State that did not fully cooperate and a tax credit incentive of FREE MONEY for States to set up an exchange, and from that law they ALWAYS concluded 100% of the States would go along to get along ...though they never explained what the assumption was based on.
Note that Obamacare was law as of March 23, 2010. Barry did not create the Debt to GDP ratio increase, but he OWNS the continuation of it after about 2010. If you add $2 trillion per decade to the spending and about that same amount added to the cost of production (GDP) in the USA as a result of Obamacare regulations and mandates, what do you get? Now we have to consider what numbers the "nonpartisan" CBO includes in its estimates. Recall Gruber worked on the CBO Health committee that determined private sector costs were NOT to be included in the Obamacare reports! What's good for the goose is good for the gander, correct? WRONG!!!! In January of 2011 Paul Ryan asked the CBO for an estimate on the savings/costs of killing Obamacare (H.R.2). Do not forget the CBO was figuring ALL States would cooperate in spending and new revenue sources. Also, when you consider that they had found about half a trillion or more in "savings" on Medicare thru Obamacare, you're starting with a hurdle. That sounds like you'd be adding costs to Medicare, even though they are spending these imaginary "savings" on Obamacare. At the time Ryan asked for the numbers, the CBO had the Obamacare cost at only $1 trillion or so, a cost to be doubled later. That Medicare "savings" was important! To quote CBO on the cost increase we'd suffer if Obamacare was repealed:
The CBO included a $73 billion cost from: "Off-budget effects include changes in Social Security spending and revenues as well as in spending by the U.S. Postal Service." Go figure! They projected a $1 trillion net savings, then added back in costs of about $700 billion for Medicare spending (that "savings") and $500 billion in new taxes lost, which told us dropping Obamacare would cost us! So, the hinky-dinky numbers told us that if we repealed the $1 trillion dollar Obamacare, it would cost us $230 billion over the next 10 years. To quote House Majority Leader Eric Cantor about the CBO "inconvenient truth" (liberal remarks then) in that report:
Needless to say, they did NOT offset any of that cost with the decrease we'd see in the private sector. NO, instead they concluded their report by telling us that the insurance premiums would go up if we repealed Obamacare. Imagine them citing some BS about the private sector numbers that the Gruber gang decided could NOT be included ...they just had to slip the BS in there! All this good news was brought to you from the "nonpartisan" CBO. . |
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| Baldo | Jan 27 2015, 11:04 AM Post #1548 |
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CBO: Obamacare to cost $2 trillion over the next decade Jan 26 President Obama's healthcare law will spend about $2 trillion over the next decade on expanding insurance coverage but still leave 31 million Americans uninsured, according to an analysis from the Congressional Budget Office released on Monday. When Obama pitched the healthcare law to Congress, he said it would cost "around $900 billion" over 10 years. But his statement was misleading because the way the law was designed, the major spending provisions didn't kick in until 2014. This meant that 10-year estimates at the time the law was passed in 2010 were artificially low, because they included four years (2010 through 2013) in which spending was negligible. The new CBO analysis finds that between fiscal years 2016 and 2025, spending on the law's expansion of Medicaid will cost $920 billion and insurance exchange subsidies will cost nearly $1.1 trillion. The major spending provisions, taken together, will total $1.993 trillion. Obamacare does include tax increases and Medicare cuts that previous CBO reports have found would offset the new spending, but CBO is no longer providing a full budgetary analysis of the law. The CBO also said it expected the law's exchanges to cover 21 million by the end of the 2016 fiscal year and for Medicaid to cover an additional 13 million — gains that it projects will be partially offset by a reduction of 11 million people in employer or other existing coverage. By 2025, the end of the projection period, the CBO projects that Obamacare will increase insurance coverage by a net of 27 million, while 31 million will remain uninsured. http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/cbo-obamacare-to-cost-2-trillion-over-the-next-decade/article/2559276 |
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| Baldo | Jan 27 2015, 03:27 PM Post #1549 |
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Endlessly slapped by ObamaCare By Justin Haskins “I’m sorry sir,” the polite Healthcare.gov customer-service agent said. “There’s nothing I can do. You’re either going to have to enroll in Medicaid or you’re going to have to pay the full health-insurance rate.” “The rate you quoted earlier?” I asked. “That’s nearly 30 percent higher than my current insurance bill, I just can’t afford it.” “You’ll have to pay the full rate, yes,” the agent replied. “I don’t understand,” I explained. “I have plenty of money to pay you a reasonable rate, but I can’t afford to pay the same rate a millionaire would be asked to pay. Why can’t I just receive a partial subsidy? I’m willing to pay more than what Medicaid offers.” “Sir, that’s just not how the system works.” Right. That’s not how ObamaCare works; it doesn’t work at all. I was 26 when my graduate school informed me in 2013 that thanks to “usage rates of the plan, changing health-insurance regulations, and the administrative workload that is involved in managing a plan” after the passage of the Affordable Care Act, students could no longer buy health coverage through the school. So much for President Obama’s promises of “if you like your plan, you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan.” I had health insurance. I liked it. But that plan disappeared. And college officials confirmed my suspicion that ObamaCare was the culprit. “It’s just too expensive to operate under the new health-care regulations,” I was told. So there I was: A struggling grad student with no health insurance, and unable to afford unsubsidized ObamaCare plans I’d hardly, if ever, use. But Uncle Sam was there on his white horse, ready to save my day with . . . Medicaid? There’s nothing wrong with getting government help in a time of need, but I wasn’t in a time of need. I had some money from student loans, and no serious health concerns; my career was getting started and my wife was less than two years from graduating medical school. Call me crazy, but in my book Medicaid is a last resort, not a first option. Faced with the choice of either violating a strong conviction by going on Medicaid or signing up for ObamaCare insurance I couldn’t afford, I chose a third option: short-term insurance. Unlike traditional health plans, short-term plans are generally available only to healthy buyers and last for a set period. After that period ends, the insurer can choose not to renew, and often won’t if you’ve developed a serious or costly illness such as cancer. That got me through 2014; for this year, I’ve signed up for an ObamaCare plan that costs roughly 30 percent more than that plan, though it has a similar deductible and coverage. I’m not happy about the increase in cost, but I’m more than willing to pay into the system now that I can afford it. What is incredibly frustrating, however, is that I now have to pay ObamaCare’s tax (or is it a fine?) for last year, because my short-term plan (like most) doesn’t count as buying “adequate insurance” under ObamaCare’s mandates. It doesn’t matter that my short-term plan was comparable to other “catastrophic” plans offered on the federal exchange. The ObamaCare law prohibits the overwhelming majority of short-term plans from qualifying as “quality” coverage. The reason is obvious. If young, healthy people — the group that the American Enterprise Institute’s Scott Gottlieb and Kelly Funderburk say is being “ripped off” by ObamaCare rates — opt out of the ObamaCare exchanges, the exchanges will collapse in a “death spiral” because not enough healthy folks will be paying in to make up for the less-healthy ones, who need more care. My experience perfectly highlights the insanity of the Affordable Care Act. It forced me — a paying, insured, well-educated, healthy American — out of the coverage I’d had, then tried to push me into Medicaid. The program wouldn’t let me pay more when I offered to pay a higher rate to stay out of Medicaid, and it provided only one other option: paying the highest rate available for insurance I didn’t use once in 2014. Rather than take the easy route and enroll in Medicaid, I paid my own way with a private plan of my choosing. Now, instead of being rewarded for saving taxpayer money, I’m being punished with a fine of at least $95. What a country! Justin Haskins is a writer and editor for The Heartland Institute, a Chicago-based free-market think tank. http://nypost.com/2015/01/26/endlessly-slapped-by-obamacare/ |
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| LTC8K6 | Jan 27 2015, 04:18 PM Post #1550 |
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Assistant to The Devil Himself
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Dems took control of Congress in 2006. Then we had the bank bailouts, auto bailouts, cash for clunkers, and the giant stimulus package, etc. |
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| LTC8K6 | Jan 27 2015, 07:35 PM Post #1551 |
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http://twitchy.com/2015/01/27/the-frick-heres-how-fla-insurance-company-is-pimping-obamacare-photos/ ‘The frick?’ Here’s how Fla. insurance company is pimping Obamacare [photos] |
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| kbp | Jan 28 2015, 08:16 AM Post #1552 |
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...Obamacare does include tax increases and Medicare cuts that previous CBO reports have found would offset the new spending, but CBO is no longer providing a full budgetary analysis of the law. The CBO had the amazing ability to conclude ALL the States would cooperate and set up both the exchanges and Medicaid expansion... from reading the legislation. Can't they also read the Executive Orders and directives well enough to figure the budget out? If it is so overly complicated that NOBODY can figure out WTH is going to happen, maybe they should at least mention that as a problem. Burwell may not agree with those enrollment numbers, that would be a goal that makes success difficult (impossible!). So they gave us a $2 trillion project and only $650 billion in new taxes. That leaves about $1.35 trillion to pay, or about $50,000 per newly insured ...I guess if Burwell does not meet the CBO goals we'll spend less, so failure is a bit of success for the taxpayers! If you're interested in the 15 page CBO report, here it is: http://www.scribd.com/doc/253801993/CBO-January-2015-Outlook-on-Obamacare ADD: I need to read it to determine if the CBO still includes ALL 50 States in their calculations! Edited by kbp, Jan 28 2015, 08:17 AM.
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| kbp | Jan 28 2015, 08:28 AM Post #1553 |
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A very good column on the King case... The short message is that the administration wants to stretch the reading in to some version that UNreads parts of the law and allows an agent of the administration to re-interpret the law so it works as they want it to. |
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| kbp | Jan 28 2015, 08:36 AM Post #1554 |
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2927348/Obamacare-program-costs-50-000-American-gets-health-insurance-says-bombshell-budget-report.html Obamacare program costs $50,000 in taxpayer money for every American who gets health insurance, says bombshell budget report That's the net after the cost covered by tax increases is deducted. The total cost, if my math is correct, will be closer to $72,000 (EXCLUDING the costs suffered by the private sector). Also recall that a huge chunk of that is to be paid for thru Medicare "savings," which Burwell is busy working on every day! |
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| kbp | Jan 28 2015, 09:20 AM Post #1555 |
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Back to that Medicare "SAVINGS" issue... The basic "savings" is to come from better treatment preventing additional treatments they believe should be avoided. The rewards for avoiding such additional treatments could be a formula which leaves the patient as just a payment factor in the relationship between the provider and those paying that provider. We're talking about a system which handles mostly the elderly ....they've lived a good life, made it this far ...no use wasting any money and losing that bonu$. . |
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| kbp | Jan 28 2015, 09:33 AM Post #1556 |
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OMG! I'm finding many headlines calling the latest CBO report as news of a REDUCTION in the cost of Obamacare! . |
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| LTC8K6 | Jan 29 2015, 12:58 AM Post #1557 |
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Interesting numbers. I don't seem to be mentioned in there, but I think I just have to check a box as well. http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/28/news/economy/obamacare-tax-penalty/
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| kbp | Jan 29 2015, 08:18 PM Post #1558 |
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I wonder if there could have been a conflict in the CBO following the recommendation of Gurber and his fellow CBO Health Committee members to NOT include the cost suffered by the private sector, as is S.O.P. to be included in the cost v. benefit review? . |
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| kbp | Jan 29 2015, 08:57 PM Post #1559 |
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http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/politicsnow/la-pn-obamacare-cost-20150126-story.html Obamacare cost to be 20% less than forecast, budget office says It is nothing but good news to some! |
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| Mason | Jan 29 2015, 09:25 PM Post #1560 |
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. LTC mentioned the DEM Congress. Barry was in the most exclusive club in the Country - the U.S. Senate - before becoming President, where he fell in love with Barney Frank and supported the Wild Spending. . Edited by Mason, Jan 29 2015, 09:26 PM.
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