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Healthcare Bill Part III; Obamacare
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http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/2012-IntroToCBO.pdf

  • "Since its founding in 1974, Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has produced independent analyses of budgetary and economic issues to support the Congressional budget process ... CBO does not make policy recommendations, and each report and cost estimate discloses the agency's assumptions and methodologies."
http://www.cbo.gov/publication/45231

  • “The ACA allows many individuals and families to purchase subsidized insurance through the exchanges (or marketplaces) operated either by the federal government or by a state government.”
They may not “make policy recommendations,” but they sure publish their conclusions!
(The report referenced is from the last link in my signature)

So what made them conclude such in their report? Issa asked and they provided a response:

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http://www.cbo.gov/publication/43752
Letter to the Honorable Darrell E. Issa Providing Additional Information About CBO's Cost Estimate for H.R. 4872
December 6, 2012

This letter responds to Chairman Darrell E. Issa’s request for information about CBO’s March 20, 2010, cost estimate for H.R. 4872, the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010, in combination with H.R. 3590, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. Specifically, the chairman asked for a description and explanation of CBO’s assumption that the premium assistance tax credits established by that legislation would be available in every state, including states where the insurance exchanges would be established by the federal government.
To the best of our recollection, the possibility that those subsidies would only be available in states that created their own exchanges did not arise during the discussions CBO staff had with a wide range of Congressional staff when the legislation was being considered. Nor was the issue raised during consideration of earlier versions of the legislation in 2009 and 2010, when CBO had anticipated, in its analyses, that the credits would be available in every state. CBO’s analysts reviewed H.R. 4872 and H.R. 3590 to try to ensure that the agency's estimate accurately reflected the legislative language, as they do for all legislation that they analyze, but that question did not arise in the course of that review, and CBO did not perform a separate legal analysis of that issue.
Going to the response in paragraph 2, while skipping past the qualifiers, added excuses of no value, and the mention of earlier versions that were even more harsh on States not cooperating, we’re left with the only relevant part:

  • “CBO’s analysts reviewed [Obamacare laws] to try to ensure that the agency's estimate accurately reflected the legislative language.”
36B tells you how tax credits are given thru 1311.
1311 tells how States establish exchanges
1321 tells how the fed establishes exchanges

It is mentioned 9 times that State established exchanges provide tax credits.
It is mentioned ZERO times that fed exchanges provide tax credits.

What “legislative language” did they review?
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Adding to the previous post on the CBO matters, including information from Chatham in the SOTU thread.

In addition to all the backdoor maneuvers and outright illegal activities, such as writing legislation with the executive pen, the "nonpartisan" CBO has been exposing itself quite a bit throughout the Obamacare processing. The obvious lies are mounting! Note the CBO started with a law that would kill Medicaid in any State that did not fully cooperate and a tax credit incentive of FREE MONEY for States to set up an exchange, and from that law they ALWAYS concluded 100% of the States would go along to get along ...though they never explained what the assumption was based on.

from Chatham...
 


Note that Obamacare was law as of March 23, 2010. Barry did not create the Debt to GDP ratio increase, but he OWNS the continuation of it after about 2010. If you add $2 trillion per decade to the spending and about that same amount added to the cost of production (GDP) in the USA as a result of Obamacare regulations and mandates, what do you get?

more from Chatham...
 
...Immediately after Obama leaves office, however, deficits are expected to rise steadily thanks mostly to growth in mandatory health care spending programs like Obamacare. By 2025 the CBO estimates that our nation's federal deficits will again top $1 trillion a year. For comparison's sake the highest deficit ever under President Bush was $458 billion.

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According to the CBO, in 2017 the federal government will be spending $384 billion a year on Medicaid, almost double what it spent before Obama became president. Spending on Obamacare's insurance exchanges ...to $93 billion in 2017.
Now we have to consider what numbers the "nonpartisan" CBO includes in its estimates. Recall Gruber worked on the CBO Health committee that determined private sector costs were NOT to be included in the Obamacare reports!

What's good for the goose is good for the gander, correct?

WRONG!!!!

In January of 2011 Paul Ryan asked the CBO for an estimate on the savings/costs of killing Obamacare (H.R.2). Do not forget the CBO was figuring ALL States would cooperate in spending and new revenue sources. Also, when you consider that they had found about half a trillion or more in "savings" on Medicare thru Obamacare, you're starting with a hurdle. That sounds like you'd be adding costs to Medicare, even though they are spending these imaginary "savings" on Obamacare.

At the time Ryan asked for the numbers, the CBO had the Obamacare cost at only $1 trillion or so, a cost to be doubled later. That Medicare "savings" was important! To quote CBO on the cost increase we'd suffer if Obamacare was repealed:

  • Repeal of the permanent reductions in the annual updates to Medicare’s payment rates for most services in the fee-for-service sector (other than physicians’ services) would increase Medicare outlays by $379 billion. (That figure excludes interactions between those provisions and others—namely, the effects of those changes on payments to Medicare Advantage plans and collections of Part B premiums.)
Their report: https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/hr2.pdf

The CBO included a $73 billion cost from: "Off-budget effects include changes in Social Security spending and revenues as well as in spending by the U.S. Postal Service." Go figure!

They projected a $1 trillion net savings, then added back in costs of about $700 billion for Medicare spending (that "savings") and $500 billion in new taxes lost, which told us dropping Obamacare would cost us! So, the hinky-dinky numbers told us that if we repealed the $1 trillion dollar Obamacare, it would cost us $230 billion over the next 10 years.

To quote House Majority Leader Eric Cantor about the CBO "inconvenient truth" (liberal remarks then) in that report:

  • "I think what we do know is the health care bill costs over $1 trillion," Cantor told Hill. "And we know it was full of budget gimmickry. And it spends money we don't have in this country."
If only Cantor had known then that it was actually a $2 trillion cost!

Needless to say, they did NOT offset any of that cost with the decrease we'd see in the private sector. NO, instead they concluded their report by telling us that the insurance premiums would go up if we repealed Obamacare. Imagine them citing some BS about the private sector numbers that the Gruber gang decided could NOT be included ...they just had to slip the BS in there!

All this good news was brought to you from the "nonpartisan" CBO.
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CBO: Obamacare to cost $2 trillion over the next decade
Jan 26

President Obama's healthcare law will spend about $2 trillion over the next decade on expanding insurance coverage but still leave 31 million Americans uninsured, according to an analysis from the Congressional Budget Office released on Monday.

When Obama pitched the healthcare law to Congress, he said it would cost "around $900 billion" over 10 years. But his statement was misleading because the way the law was designed, the major spending provisions didn't kick in until 2014. This meant that 10-year estimates at the time the law was passed in 2010 were artificially low, because they included four years (2010 through 2013) in which spending was negligible.

The new CBO analysis finds that between fiscal years 2016 and 2025, spending on the law's expansion of Medicaid will cost $920 billion and insurance exchange subsidies will cost nearly $1.1 trillion. The major spending provisions, taken together, will total $1.993 trillion.

Obamacare does include tax increases and Medicare cuts that previous CBO reports have found would offset the new spending, but CBO is no longer providing a full budgetary analysis of the law.

The CBO also said it expected the law's exchanges to cover 21 million by the end of the 2016 fiscal year and for Medicaid to cover an additional 13 million — gains that it projects will be partially offset by a reduction of 11 million people in employer or other existing coverage.

By 2025, the end of the projection period, the CBO projects that Obamacare will increase insurance coverage by a net of 27 million, while 31 million will remain uninsured.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/cbo-obamacare-to-cost-2-trillion-over-the-next-decade/article/2559276



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Endlessly slapped by ObamaCare
By Justin Haskins

“I’m sorry sir,” the polite Healthcare.gov customer-service agent said. “There’s nothing I can do. You’re either going to have to enroll in Medicaid or you’re going to have to pay the full health-insurance rate.”

“The rate you quoted earlier?” I asked. “That’s nearly 30 percent higher than my current insurance bill, I just can’t afford it.”

“You’ll have to pay the full rate, yes,” the agent replied.

“I don’t understand,” I explained. “I have plenty of money to pay you a reasonable rate, but I can’t afford to pay the same rate a millionaire would be asked to pay. Why can’t I just receive a partial subsidy? I’m willing to pay more than what Medicaid offers.”

“Sir, that’s just not how the system works.”

Right. That’s not how ObamaCare works; it doesn’t work at all.

I was 26 when my graduate school informed me in 2013 that thanks to “usage rates of the plan, changing health-insurance regulations, and the administrative workload that is involved in managing a plan” after the passage of the Affordable Care Act, students could no longer buy health coverage through the school.

So much for President Obama’s promises of “if you like your plan, you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan.”

I had health insurance. I liked it. But that plan disappeared.

And college officials confirmed my suspicion that ObamaCare was the culprit. “It’s just too expensive to operate under the new health-care regulations,” I was told.

So there I was: A struggling grad student with no health insurance, and unable to afford unsubsidized ObamaCare plans I’d hardly, if ever, use.

But Uncle Sam was there on his white horse, ready to save my day with . . . Medicaid?

There’s nothing wrong with getting government help in a time of need, but I wasn’t in a time of need. I had some money from student loans, and no serious health concerns; my career was getting started and my wife was less than two years from graduating medical school.

Call me crazy, but in my book Medicaid is a last resort, not a first option.

Faced with the choice of either violating a strong conviction by going on Medicaid or signing up for ObamaCare insurance I couldn’t afford, I chose a third option: short-term insurance.

Unlike traditional health plans, short-term plans are generally available only to healthy buyers and last for a set period.

After that period ends, the insurer can choose not to renew, and often won’t if you’ve developed a serious or costly illness such as cancer.

That got me through 2014; for this year, I’ve signed up for an ObamaCare plan that costs roughly 30 percent more than that plan, though it has a similar deductible and coverage. I’m not happy about the increase in cost, but I’m more than willing to pay into the system now that I can afford it.

What is incredibly frustrating, however, is that I now have to pay ObamaCare’s tax (or is it a fine?) for last year, because my short-term plan (like most) doesn’t count as buying “adequate insurance” under ObamaCare’s mandates.

It doesn’t matter that my short-term plan was comparable to other “catastrophic” plans offered on the federal exchange. The ObamaCare law prohibits the overwhelming majority of short-term plans from qualifying as “quality” coverage.

The reason is obvious. If young, healthy people — the group that the American Enterprise Institute’s Scott Gottlieb and Kelly Funderburk say is being “ripped off” by ObamaCare rates — opt out of the ObamaCare exchanges, the exchanges will collapse in a “death spiral” because not enough healthy folks will be paying in to make up for the less-healthy ones, who need more care.

My experience perfectly highlights the insanity of the Affordable Care Act. It forced me — a paying, insured, well-educated, healthy American — out of the coverage I’d had, then tried to push me into Medicaid.

The program wouldn’t let me pay more when I offered to pay a higher rate to stay out of Medicaid, and it provided only one other option: paying the highest rate available for insurance I didn’t use once in 2014.

Rather than take the easy route and enroll in Medicaid, I paid my own way with a private plan of my choosing. Now, instead of being rewarded for saving taxpayer money, I’m being punished with a fine of at least $95. What a country!

Justin Haskins is a writer and editor for The Heartland Institute, a Chicago-based free-market think tank.

http://nypost.com/2015/01/26/endlessly-slapped-by-obamacare/


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Jan 27 2015, 10:26 AM

Note that Obamacare was law as of March 23, 2010. Barry did not create the Debt to GDP ratio increase, but he OWNS the continuation of it after about 2010.


Dems took control of Congress in 2006.

Then we had the bank bailouts, auto bailouts, cash for clunkers, and the giant stimulus package, etc.
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http://twitchy.com/2015/01/27/the-frick-heres-how-fla-insurance-company-is-pimping-obamacare-photos/

‘The frick?’ Here’s how Fla. insurance company is pimping Obamacare [photos]
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Jan 27 2015, 11:04 AM
CBO: Obamacare to cost $2 trillion over the next decade
Jan 26

President Obama's healthcare law will spend about $2 trillion over the next decade on expanding insurance coverage but still leave 31 million Americans uninsured, according to an analysis from the Congressional Budget Office released on Monday.

When Obama pitched the healthcare law to Congress, he said it would cost "around $900 billion" over 10 years. But his statement was misleading because the way the law was designed, the major spending provisions didn't kick in until 2014. This meant that 10-year estimates at the time the law was passed in 2010 were artificially low, because they included four years (2010 through 2013) in which spending was negligible.

The new CBO analysis finds that between fiscal years 2016 and 2025, spending on the law's expansion of Medicaid will cost $920 billion and insurance exchange subsidies will cost nearly $1.1 trillion. The major spending provisions, taken together, will total $1.993 trillion.

Obamacare does include tax increases and Medicare cuts that previous CBO reports have found would offset the new spending, but CBO is no longer providing a full budgetary analysis of the law.

The CBO also said it expected the law's exchanges to cover 21 million by the end of the 2016 fiscal year and for Medicaid to cover an additional 13 million — gains that it projects will be partially offset by a reduction of 11 million people in employer or other existing coverage.

By 2025, the end of the projection period, the CBO projects that Obamacare will increase insurance coverage by a net of 27 million, while 31 million will remain uninsured.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/cbo-obamacare-to-cost-2-trillion-over-the-next-decade/article/2559276



...Obamacare does include tax increases and Medicare cuts that previous CBO reports have found would offset the new spending, but CBO is no longer providing a full budgetary analysis of the law.

:think:

The CBO had the amazing ability to conclude ALL the States would cooperate and set up both the exchanges and Medicaid expansion... from reading the legislation. Can't they also read the Executive Orders and directives well enough to figure the budget out? If it is so overly complicated that NOBODY can figure out WTH is going to happen, maybe they should at least mention that as a problem.

Burwell may not agree with those enrollment numbers, that would be a goal that makes success difficult (impossible!).

So they gave us a $2 trillion project and only $650 billion in new taxes. That leaves about $1.35 trillion to pay, or about $50,000 per newly insured ...I guess if Burwell does not meet the CBO goals we'll spend less, so failure is a bit of success for the taxpayers!

If you're interested in the 15 page CBO report, here it is:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/253801993/CBO-January-2015-Outlook-on-Obamacare

ADD: I need to read it to determine if the CBO still includes ALL 50 States in their calculations!
Edited by kbp, Jan 28 2015, 08:17 AM.
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A very good column on the King case...

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http://legalinsurrection.com/2015/01/scotus-institutional-legitimacy-not-at-stake-in-king-v-burwell/

SCOTUS “institutional legitimacy” not at stake in King v. Burwell
Posted by Bryan Jacoutot


The upcoming Supreme Court case of King v. Burwell holds much in the balance, including the very financial sustainability of President Obama’s signature law, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA). If the Supreme Court rules for the plaintiffs, the ability for the law to support itself would almost certainly collapse.

At issue in King is the legality of an IRS rule allowing exchanges operated by the federal government to issue tax subsidies to qualified individuals purchasing health insurance through the exchange.

This is an incredibly complex issue, and many courts, scholars, and commentators have spent thousands upon thousands (upon thousands) of pages of argument attempting to arrive at the proper conclusion. Ultimately, we must wait until the Supreme Court decides this case at the end of the term to learn the definitive conclusion.

The complexity of the law notwithstanding, many commentators remain convinced that any ruling against the government would be one for politics over the law, leading to familiar questions of the “institutional legitimacy” of the Supreme Court should they rule against the government. This is nothing new, especially when it comes to the issue of PPACA. Indeed, in the wake of the 2012 PPACA challenge, a litany of law professors and legal scholars shared in the assessment that striking down PPACA would result in substantial costs “for the Court as institution and for its credibility carrying out its vital national role going forward.”

Despite the pattern of many scholars to tie the legitimacy of the Court to ruling in favor of PPACA proponents, I honestly believe the “sky is falling” rhetoric regarding King v. Burwell to be severely overblown.

The primary contention of those who believe the institutional legitimacy of the Court is at stake in this case is that holding against the government would be a departure from a vital administrative law axiom known as the Chevron deference standard.

As Michael Cannon and Professor Jonathan Adler point out in their excellent article, the Chevron deference test is a two-step inquiry:

  • First, the reviewing court considers the statutory text to determine “whether Congress has directly spoken to the precise question at issue.” If so, the statute controls, “for the court, as well as the agency, must give effect to the unambiguously expressed intent of Congress.” If the reviewing court concludes that the statute is “silent or ambiguous,” however, and determines the interpretive authority has been delegated to the agency, the court must defer to the agency’s statutory interpretation, so long as it ‘is based on a permissible construction of the statute.’”


In other words, step-two requires the agency interpretation of ambiguous statute prevail unless it is “arbitrary, capricious, or manifestly contrary to the statute.”

As a result, the government’s contention largely rests on the premise that ambiguity exists in the statutory language of Obamacare, and thus, the IRS should be accorded due deference to craft rules consistent with their interpretation (one that obviously would entail the continued existence of the federal exchange tax subsidies).

The entire issue of King can be boiled down to the IRS Rule’s inconsistency with the language of three sections of the PPACA: §1311, §1321 and §1401.

Section 1311 creates the authority for an “exchange established by the State.” Likewise, Section 1321 creates the authority for the federal government to create “such exchange” in the event a state refuses to establish a Section 1311 exchange (which, much to the surprise of the law’s drafters, has occurred in more than half the states).

Finally, Section 1401 allows for tax credits to be issued for “Exchanges established by the State under 1311.” And therein lies the problem for the government’s position. Section 1321 exchanges are not “established by the State,” and they certainly are not “established by the State under 1311.” No, Section 1321 exchanges are established by the federal government under Section 1321.

Lawyers may quibble all they want about whether Section 1321 exchanges, for all intents and purposes, are 1311 exchanges. For all their legal gymnastics, however, Section 1321 exchanges simply can never be “Exchanges established by the State.” Indeed, follow the absurdity of the government’s reading of the statute here:

  • A federally created Section 1321 Exchange = an Exchange established by the State under 1311.


Such a reading is simply too far a departure from the plain reading of the statute as to give it the weight necessary to create the statutory ambiguity required under Chevron.

With no need to grant deference under Chevron, separation of powers issues — at least with respect to Court — do not come into play in this case. As a result, even if the Court rules for the plaintiffs, the “institutional legitimacy” of the Court ought to (once more) be safe for another day.
The short message is that the administration wants to stretch the reading in to some version that UNreads parts of the law and allows an agent of the administration to re-interpret the law so it works as they want it to.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2927348/Obamacare-program-costs-50-000-American-gets-health-insurance-says-bombshell-budget-report.html
Obamacare program costs $50,000 in taxpayer money for every American who gets health insurance, says bombshell budget report


That's the net after the cost covered by tax increases is deducted. The total cost, if my math is correct, will be closer to $72,000 (EXCLUDING the costs suffered by the private sector).

Also recall that a huge chunk of that is to be paid for thru Medicare "savings," which Burwell is busy working on every day!
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Back to that Medicare "SAVINGS" issue...

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/01/26/the-obama-administration-wants-to-dramatically-change-how-doctors-are-paid/

The Obama administration wants to dramatically change how doctors are paid

The Obama administration on Monday announced an ambitious goal to overhaul the way doctors are paid, tying their fees more closely to the quality of care rather than the quantity.

Rather than pay more money to Medicare doctors simply for every procedure they perform, the government will also evaluate whether patients are healthier, among other measures. The goal is for half of all Medicare payments to be handled this way by 2018.

[...]

Critics say the traditional payment scheme fails to discourage overuse of health-care services, without holding providers accountable for whether patients’ get healthier.

Medicare has been experimenting with payment models for more than a decade, and the 2010 Affordable Care Act tried to tackle the issue by expanding payment models that reward providers for the value of care they provide.

[...]

...the administration's announcement sends a clear signal that the health-care system is quickly moving away from a system that allows for so much waste.

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"We still know very little about how best to design and implement [value-based payment] programs to achieve stated goals and what constitutes a successful program," concluded a 2014 Rand Corporation study funded by HHS. The report, which reviewed pay-for-performance models implemented over the past decade, said improvements were "typically modest" and often hard to evaluate. [They're going to provide BILLIONS and BILLIONS in "savings" for us ...or else our taxes must go up!]

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Two high-profile ACA programs encouraging health-care providers to work as accountable care organizations have resulted in modest savings to the Medicare program so far, about $877 million. But at least 13 of the 32 organizations that participated in the most ambitious of these efforts — the Pioneer ACO program — have dropped out of the program in the past two years.

[...]
The basic "savings" is to come from better treatment preventing additional treatments they believe should be avoided. The rewards for avoiding such additional treatments could be a formula which leaves the patient as just a payment factor in the relationship between the provider and those paying that provider. We're talking about a system which handles mostly the elderly ....they've lived a good life, made it this far ...no use wasting any money and losing that bonu$.
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OMG!

I'm finding many headlines calling the latest CBO report as news of a REDUCTION in the cost of Obamacare!



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Interesting numbers.

I don't seem to be mentioned in there, but I think I just have to check a box as well.

http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/28/news/economy/obamacare-tax-penalty/

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Millions to owe Obamacare tax penalty

Were you uninsured in 2014? It's time to pay the piper!
Some 3 million to 6 million Americans will have to pay an Obamacare tax penalty for not having health insurance last year, Treasury officials said Wednesday. It's the first time they have given estimates for how many people will be subject to a fine.

The penalty is $95, or 1% of income above a certain threshold (roughly $20,000 for a couple). So you could end up owing the IRS a lot of money.

Take a married couple with $100,000 in income - their bill comes to $797, according to the Tax Policy Center ACA penalty calculator.

The penalty for remaining uninsured rises to the larger of $325 or 2% of income in 2015.


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Some three-quarters of the nation's 150 million taxpayers have health insurance through their jobs or government programs and will simply have to check a box on the Form 1040.

Another 15 million to 30 million people will request and be granted an exemption to the mandate by filing Form 8965. Those who aren't subject to the insurance requirement include undocumented immigrants, low-income Americans and those for whom insurance premiums were more than 8% of their household income.

Related: Obamacare tax surprise looming

Finally, between 4.5 million and 7.5 million taxpayers received subsidies for insurance premiums when they signed up for coverage on Obamacare exchanges. They will have to use Form 8962 to reconcile their actual 2014 income with the amount they estimated when they applied for a policy in late 2013 or early 2014.

Those who underestimated their income either will receive smaller tax refunds or will owe the IRS money.

Treasury officials declined to forecast how many people may be in this situation. But H&R Block projects 3.4 million taxpayers will have to pay back part of their premiums.


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Mason - from DC Cesspool thread
 

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List of tax hikes ignored in the CBO half-score of Obamacare

  • -3.8 percent surtax on investment income
    -Hike in top Medicare payroll tax rate to 3.8 percent
    -Medicine cabinet tax
    -Additional surtax on health savings account (HSA) distributions
    -Cap on flexible spending accounts (FSAs)
    -Medical device tax
    -High medical bills tax
    -Tanning tax
    -Tax on employer retiree drug coverage in Medicare
    -Charitable hospital tax
    -Pharmaceutical manufacturers tax
    -Health insurance tax
    -Tax on executive compensation in the health sector
    -"Black liquor" tax hike
    -Codification of "economic substance doctrine"
All these tax increases can be read about in detail here.
I wonder if there could have been a conflict in the CBO following the recommendation of Gurber and his fellow CBO Health Committee members to NOT include the cost suffered by the private sector, as is S.O.P. to be included in the cost v. benefit review?
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http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/politicsnow/la-pn-obamacare-cost-20150126-story.html
Obamacare cost to be 20% less than forecast, budget office says


It is nothing but good news to some!
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LTC mentioned the DEM Congress.

Barry was in the most exclusive club in the Country - the U.S. Senate - before becoming President,
where he fell in love with Barney Frank and supported the Wild Spending.

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