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PTSD began with Iraq, veterans shouldn't have guns...; Feinstein
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Topic Started: Mar 9 2013, 09:13 AM (494 Views)
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Mar 9 2013, 09:13 AM
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SEN. DIANNE FEINSTEIN: If I understand this, this adds an exemption of retired military. As I understand our bill, no issue has arose in this regard during the 10 years the expired ban was in effect and what we did in the other bill was exempt possession by the United States or a department or agency of the United States. So that included active military.
The problem with expanding this is that, you know, with the advent of PTSD, which I think is a new phenomenon as a product of the Iraq War, it’s not clear how the seller or transferrer of a firearm covered by this bill would verify that an individual was a member, or a veteran, and that there was no impairment of that individual with respect to having a weapon like this.
So, you know, I would be happy to sit down with you again and see if we could work something out but I think we have to-- if you’re going to do this, find a way that veterans who are incapacitated for one reason or another mentally don’t have access to this kind of weapon.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/03/08/feinstein_veterans_may_have_ptsd_and_should_not_be_exempt_from_assault_weapons_ban.html
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Mar 9 2013, 10:38 AM
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Feinstein is an idiot.
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Mar 9 2013, 04:09 PM
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...the advent of PTSD, which I think is a new phenomenon as a product of the Iraq War
Do you laugh at her or cry because represents citizens?
Combine her "advent" of facts with a couple degrees of association and she had a prime opportunity to blame Bush!
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foxglove
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Mar 9 2013, 07:07 PM
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The old word for PSTD was shell shock. Quite common in WWI.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_shock
Perhaps a major difference between WWI and Iraq is the use-- some say misuse-- of drugs for depression, etc.
Edited by foxglove, Mar 9 2013, 07:09 PM.
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Mar 13 2013, 06:59 AM
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SEN. DIANNE FEINSTEIN: If I understand this, this adds an exemption of retired military. As I understand our bill, no issue has arose in this regard during the 10 years the expired ban was in effect and what we did in the other bill was exempt possession by the United States or a department or agency of the United States. So that included active military.
The problem with expanding this is that, you know, with the advent of PTSD, which I think is a new phenomenon as a product of the Iraq War, it’s not clear how the seller or transferrer of a firearm covered by this bill would verify that an individual was a member, or a veteran, and that there was no impairment of that individual with respect to having a weapon like this.
So, you know, I would be happy to sit down with you again and see if we could work something out but I think we have to-- if you’re going to do this, find a way that veterans who are incapacitated for one reason or another mentally don’t have access to this kind of weapon. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/03/08/feinstein_veterans_may_have_ptsd_and_should_not_be_exempt_from_assault_weapons_ban.html Feinstein's husband made quite a bit of money off of the Iraq War. What made profit for her husband caused PTSD to many of our soldiers.
http://littlecountrylost.blogspot.com/2007/12/diane-feinstein-corrupt-war-profiteer.html
http://antiwar.com/frank/?articleid=8618
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/898280/posts
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/matier-ross/article/War-brings-business-to-Feinstein-spouse-Blum-s-2652085.php
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/21/senate-husbands-firm-cashes-in-on-crisis/
http://www.conservativedailynews.com/2013/02/what-no-one-is-telling-us-about-feinsteins-gun-legislation-part-1/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_C._Blum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Brookings_Institution
"... At the end of 2004 the Brookings Institution had assets of $258 million and spent $39.7 million, while its budget has grown to more than $80 million in 2009.[60] Its largest contributors include the Ford Foundation, the Gates Foundation, Sen. Dianne Feinstein and her husband Richard C. Blum, Bank of America, ExxonMobil, Pew Charitable Trusts, the MacArthur Foundation, the Carnegie Corporation, and the governments of the United States, Japan, Qatar, the Republic of China, the District of Columbia, and the United Kingdom."
*** Note: One of the presidents of the Brookings Institution was or currently is Strobe Talbott who believes the nation-state is obsolete.
http://www.claremont.org/publications/crb/id.1547/article_detail.asp
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In addition, NY wants to make sure it profits from possible violence in movies filmed in NY.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/28/gov-cuomo-says-hollywood-exempt-from-strict-new-york-gun-control-law/
Gov. Cuomo says Hollywood exempt from strict New York gun control law
**** Note: One can ask the question whether seeing gun violence on the screen encourages shootings.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/gov_cuomo_favorability_rating_drops_eJKfV6DjiqO9t3iNZ0xZSN
Gov. Cuomo's favorability rating drops to all-time low: poll
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Mar 13 2013, 07:25 AM
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SEN. DIANNE FEINSTEIN: If I understand this, this adds an exemption of retired military. As I understand our bill, no issue has arose in this regard during the 10 years the expired ban was in effect and what we did in the other bill was exempt possession by the United States or a department or agency of the United States. So that included active military.
The problem with expanding this is that, you know, with the advent of PTSD, which I think is a new phenomenon as a product of the Iraq War, it’s not clear how the seller or transferrer of a firearm covered by this bill would verify that an individual was a member, or a veteran, and that there was no impairment of that individual with respect to having a weapon like this.
So, you know, I would be happy to sit down with you again and see if we could work something out but I think we have to-- if you’re going to do this, find a way that veterans who are incapacitated for one reason or another mentally don’t have access to this kind of weapon. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/03/08/feinstein_veterans_may_have_ptsd_and_should_not_be_exempt_from_assault_weapons_ban.html I have a close friend that was diagnosed with PSTD recently, he served as a grunt in Viet Nam. He was also a member of the Marine reserves for year and his full time civilian job was a Philadelphia police officer. Former service members with PSTD recieve a disability. Military members who retire on the whole don't have PSTD, that is why they were able to retire. Add to that that some military member in all our wars suffered some type of PSTD. WWI it was called shell shocked, WWII it was called battle fatigue, now it called PTSD.
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Mar 13 2013, 08:36 AM
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SEN. DIANNE FEINSTEIN: If I understand this, this adds an exemption of retired military. As I understand our bill, no issue has arose in this regard during the 10 years the expired ban was in effect and what we did in the other bill was exempt possession by the United States or a department or agency of the United States. So that included active military.
The problem with expanding this is that, you know, with the advent of PTSD, which I think is a new phenomenon as a product of the Iraq War, it’s not clear how the seller or transferrer of a firearm covered by this bill would verify that an individual was a member, or a veteran, and that there was no impairment of that individual with respect to having a weapon like this.
So, you know, I would be happy to sit down with you again and see if we could work something out but I think we have to-- if you’re going to do this, find a way that veterans who are incapacitated for one reason or another mentally don’t have access to this kind of weapon. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/03/08/feinstein_veterans_may_have_ptsd_and_should_not_be_exempt_from_assault_weapons_ban.html
Feinstein's husband made quite a bit of money off of the Iraq War. What made profit for her husband caused PTSD to many of our soldiers. http://littlecountrylost.blogspot.com/2007/12/diane-feinstein-corrupt-war-profiteer.htmlhttp://antiwar.com/frank/?articleid=8618http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/898280/postshttp://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/matier-ross/article/War-brings-business-to-Feinstein-spouse-Blum-s-2652085.phphttp://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/21/senate-husbands-firm-cashes-in-on-crisis/http://www.conservativedailynews.com/2013/02/what-no-one-is-telling-us-about-feinsteins-gun-legislation-part-1/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_C._Blumhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Brookings_Institution"... At the end of 2004 the Brookings Institution had assets of $258 million and spent $39.7 million, while its budget has grown to more than $80 million in 2009.[60] Its largest contributors include the Ford Foundation, the Gates Foundation, Sen. Dianne Feinstein and her husband Richard C. Blum, Bank of America, ExxonMobil, Pew Charitable Trusts, the MacArthur Foundation, the Carnegie Corporation, and the governments of the United States, Japan, Qatar, the Republic of China, the District of Columbia, and the United Kingdom." *** Note: One of the presidents of the Brookings Institution was or currently is Strobe Talbott who believes the nation-state is obsolete. http://www.claremont.org/publications/crb/id.1547/article_detail.asp*************************** In addition, NY wants to make sure it profits from possible violence in movies filmed in NY. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/28/gov-cuomo-says-hollywood-exempt-from-strict-new-york-gun-control-law/Gov. Cuomo says Hollywood exempt from strict New York gun control law **** Note: One can ask the question whether seeing gun violence on the screen encourages shootings. http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/gov_cuomo_favorability_rating_drops_eJKfV6DjiqO9t3iNZ0xZSNGov. Cuomo's favorability rating drops to all-time low: poll I used to expect politicians to avoid situations that might even appear to be questionable. The Democratic rule-of-thumb for quite some time has been to just deny the obvious.
Edited by kbp, Mar 13 2013, 08:36 AM.
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