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Benedict XVI resigns; Conclave begins Tuesday March 12th
Topic Started: Feb 11 2013, 08:09 AM (854 Views)
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Whomever is chosen I pray that he will be a person to match our times. I believe religious leaders are needed no matter what religion. We need Faith more than ever

I hope the day will come when the Catholic Church will recognize women as Priests and allow marriage in the Priesthood.



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foxglove

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Feb 27 2013, 08:59 AM
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I am also curious why Cardinal Avery Dulles became a cardinal from the rank of priest in one fell swoop-- done by Pope John Paul II.


Ditto.

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Although Jesuits make a promise against pursuing ecclesiastical dignities and do not normally accept promotion within the Church hierarchy, Dulles was created a cardinal of the Catholic Church in Rome on February 21, 2001 by Pope John Paul II. At the time of his elevation to cardinal, he was not a bishop, as is normally the case, but a priest. He successfully petitioned the Pope for a dispensation from episcopal ordination due to his advanced age. . . Because he reached the age of eighty before becoming cardinal, Dulles had exceeded the mandatory age limit of retirement; he was never eligible to vote in a conclave (of which one occurred during his cardinalate, that of the 2005). Because he was a cardinal but not a bishop, Dulles became an honorary, non-voting member of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.



It seems there is precedent for a priest who is a theologian to become a cardinal without becoming a cardinal first. (I learn something new every day).


http://www.ewtn.com/holysee/Cardinals/index.asp

"Pope John Paul II has honored priests who are theologians, such as Henri De Lubac, S.J. and Avery Dulles, S.J. without requiring them to be ordained bishops, as is required by law."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_de_Lubac

"... In 1969 Pope Paul VI, an admirer of de Lubac's works, had proposed making him a Cardinal, but de Lubac demurred, believing that for him to become a bishop, as required of all cardinals by Pope John XXIII in 1962, would be "an abuse of an apostolic office". Paul VI instead elevated de Lubac's junior colleague Jean Daniélou in that consistory, having committed to grant the cardinalate to a Jesuit theologian.

In 1983 Pope John Paul II offered de Lubac the cardinalate, this time with a dispensation from being consecrated a bishop. De Lubac accepted, and became the first cardinal after 1962 who was not a bishop. In the consistory of February 2, 1983, Pope John Paul II raised de Lubac, at 87, to the College of Cardinals. He was created Cardinal Deacon of Santa Maria in Domnica. Since May 24, 1990, de Lubac was the oldest living Cardinal. He died in Paris in 1991..."


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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/28/pope-benedict-resignation-lesson-for-americans

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Stereotypes are usually rooted in truth and not for nothing is the stereotypical American described as "optimistic, work-obsessed and materially prosperous". We are accustomed to identifying ourselves not by who we are, but by what we do. And we really are, by and large, optimists. A great deal of that optimism hangs on the illusion – and we love this illusion – that in our "classless" society there resides a world full of choices, and on the idea that hard work brings desired results. We believe success builds upon itself in our pursuit of power, position and prosperity – all of which, in return, assist in our philanthropies, because we also believe that we are a generous nation, eager to do good by others.

Today, before our eyes, Pope Benedict's life and actions addressed all of that. Whatever his departure meant to the rest of the world, it said to Americans and their ideals, "no one is irreplaceable; power isn't everything; not everything is your choice; sometimes bread cast upon the waters comes back soggy."

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To those who are out of work or worried about their jobs, Benedict's move says, "what you do does not define who you are." To those experiencing "downward mobility" it says: "your trappings make you less free; do not be afraid to shed them." To those who feel like choices have disappeared, it says: "when someone else chooses for you, what you make of it is your own."

To those whose efforts are deemed inadequate by others, it says: "don't judge yourself." To those living through rejection, scorn or bullying, it says: "there is a higher and unconditional love waiting for a chance to embrace you." To lives turbulent and overly busy it says: "prayer can be peaceful productivity."

For Americans these are radically countercultural messages, and if we take them to heart, we may find that Benedict's legacy to us is a path he has culled by his own example, one that puts us on an escape route from relentless doing, to the treasure of being.


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First order of business when the doors of the conclave are closed

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Hat tip a good friend
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Five ways the Vatican will ensure no voting leaks

The Vatican appears to be taking cues from MI5 and other spy agencies to keep the voting of the papal conclave ultra-secret. The goal is to prevent a repeat of the 2005 conclave, when a German cardinal leaked the identity of the winner – Joseph Ratzinger, who would become Pope Benedict XVI minutes later – to a German TV network before his name was officially announced.

Here are five ways the Vatican will ensure a leak-proof conclave.

1. Low-tech paint

Windows atop the Sistine Chapel and the soaring hall next to the Pauline Chapel, where the 115 cardinals say mass before entering the Sistine Chapel to vote each morning, have been covered with white paint to thwart the best efforts of photographers with long lenses.

2. High-tech scrambling

Electronic scrambling devices have been installed to ensure that anyone involved in the voting process – cardinals, assistants, Swiss Guards, elevator operators – cannot use any electronic gadgets to communicate with the outside world.

3. Debugging

The Sistine Chapel and the Vatican residence where the cardinals stay and eat during the conclave, the Domus Sanctae Marthae, are to be swept for electronic bugs.

4. Sequestration

The cardinals will in effect be treated like prisoners at Alcatraz: Until the new pope is elected, they will never leave their tiny Vatican universe – the Domus (whose room phones are limited to internal calls), the Pauline Chapel, the Apostolic Palace and the Sistine Chapel.

5. The Fury of God


The Vatican has made it clear that anyone who blabs faces the ultimate punishment

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/five-ways-the-vatican-will-ensure-no-voting-leaks/article9652959/
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It boggles my mind how the main stream media is playing up the election of a new Pope. As progressive as the MSM appears to be I would assume they would have ignore the event altogether. How disingenuous these people are.

Anything for a buck, I guess.
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jewelcove

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Mar 12 2013, 11:40 AM
It boggles my mind how the main stream media is playing up the election of a new Pope. As progressive as the MSM appears to be I would assume they would have ignore the event altogether. How disingenuous these people are.

Anything for a buck, I guess.
About 25% of the US is Catholic. Lots of readers for the press.
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Slideshow

Conclave Meets: The Cardinals Who Would Be Pope
http://www.bloomberg.com/slideshow/2013-03-12/conclave-meets-the-cardinals-who-would-be-pope.html#slide1
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Black smoke - no pope after first ballot.
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Black smoke shows no pope on first vote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGnXynYE0yE


Like Anderson Cooper really cares. I'm surprised CNN doesn't have Kathy Griffin as co-host..
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we have a Pope
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I don't care if you have a belief or not, to see joy of the thousands in St. Peter's Square reacting with such joy is, well Joyful.
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Mar 13 2013, 01:11 PM
I don't care if you have a belief or not, to see joy of the thousands in St. Peter's Square reacting with such joy is well Joyful.
agreed!
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A Jesuit, Argentinian, Jorge Bergoglio

Pope Francis I
Edited by Baldo, Mar 13 2013, 02:26 PM.
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Joan Foster

God be with him.
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