| Benedict XVI resigns; Conclave begins Tuesday March 12th | |
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| Quasimodo | Feb 11 2013, 08:09 AM Post #1 |
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| Quasimodo | Feb 11 2013, 08:10 AM Post #2 |
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There is some speculation that Cardinal Dolan of New York may be a prime candidate to succeed him. |
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| Quasimodo | Feb 11 2013, 08:12 AM Post #3 |
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The last time a pope resigned was in 1415. |
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| chatham | Feb 11 2013, 08:41 AM Post #4 |
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I am betting on a black pope. |
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| Baldo | Feb 11 2013, 09:00 AM Post #5 |
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He had a tough act to follow. I admire a person who knows when it is best to step away. |
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| Quasimodo | Feb 11 2013, 09:20 AM Post #6 |
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| Quasimodo | Feb 11 2013, 09:22 AM Post #7 |
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| kbp | Feb 11 2013, 09:30 AM Post #8 |
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No mention of gay candidates? |
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| foxglove | Feb 11 2013, 10:10 AM Post #9 |
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It is sad to hear of Pope Benedict's resignation. We can use his life of prayer after he leaves his office. Cardinal Peter Turkson would not be a good choice, IMO, if he is in favor of a world central bank as this would play into the hands of the globalist elitists. http://www.newsmax.com/EdwardPentin/Documents-Pius-XII-Helped-Win-WW-II/2013/01/30/id/488195 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2276781/Has-Pope-Pius-XII-exonerated-Nazi-sympathiser-Author-claims-new-evidence-shows-controversial-pontiff-saved-lives-Holocaust.html http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/09/hitlers-pope-pius-xii-holocaust Edited by foxglove, Feb 11 2013, 10:16 AM.
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| Quasimodo | Feb 11 2013, 10:47 AM Post #10 |
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![]() Edited by Quasimodo, Feb 11 2013, 10:49 AM.
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| Baldo | Feb 16 2013, 11:01 PM Post #11 |
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Pope Benedict XVI's resignation: A drama that beats any Dan Brown plot The Vatican is awash with conspiracy theories about why the Pope is resigning, but Benedict has had the last word After the initial shock came the speculation. Pope Benedict XVI surprised even his closest advisers on Monday by announcing that he was standing down, but within hours the Vatican was awash, not just with the inevitable talk of who would succeed him, but also with whispers about the “real story” behind the first papal resignation in over 600 years. Once the curia – or Vatican bureaucracy – started chewing it over, the theories it spat out were quickly flying around what the papal historian John Cornwell has characterised as “a palace of gossipy eunuchs”. And from there it is one short step to finding their way into the Italian press. Dan Brown couldn’t have made it up. The ecclesiastical earthquake of a pope resigning has been attributed, variously, to Benedict nursing a fatal illness; to a head injury during his trip to Mexico last March that convinced him to abdicate; to being forced out after an acrimonious meeting with a group of senior cardinals two days before he announced his resignation; to his looming disgrace over either dodgy deals done by the Vatican Bank, past cover-ups of paedophile priests, or an “explosive” forthcoming report by a team of cardinals on a tendering scandal; and to a strategy to secure the succession for his favourite. All of which at first glance makes me and many Catholics seem hopelessly naive for taking as read Benedict’s explanation in his resignation speech – namely that he was too old, physically and spiritually, to continue to be chief executive of a multinational church of 1.3 billion souls. Given that he is 85 and has always carried himself like a piece of delicate china, that sounded perfectly reasonable in worldly terms, even if it was a radical move in the history of the papacy, tantamount in some eyes to betrayal. (“One doesn’t come down from the cross,” Cardinal Dziwisz, former secretary to John Paul II, has remarked disapprovingly.)...snipped http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/the-pope/9873281/Pope-Benedict-XVIs-resignation-A-drama-that-beats-any-Dan-Brown-plot.html |
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| Baldo | Feb 20 2013, 06:45 PM Post #12 |
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Cardinal Dolan For Pope? There’s Suddenly A Very Real Buzz About Him In Italy http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/02/20/dolan-heads-to-rome-next-week-to-vote-for-new-pope/ |
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| foxglove | Feb 27 2013, 08:27 AM Post #13 |
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Pope Benedict resigns tomorrow. Today was his last audience. http://abcnews.go.com/International/pope-benedict-xvi-delivers-farewell-address/story?id=18604583 (I'm not crazy about the organ music) As far as an American being elected to pope, I think it is entirely possible. The link in the post above says Cardinal Dolan or O'Malley would be in the running. I think Raymond Cardinal Burke would be possible, as well. Dolan is great for evangelizing, but Burke would maybe have a better understanding of the Vatican as he has been there for several years and there seems to be a need for a tough leader there. Also, I don't know if Cardinal Dolan speaks Italian which I think would be important as he would also be the Bishop of Rome if elected Pope. On the other hand, if there is anyone who can communicate non-verbally with people, it is Cardinal Dolan. A warm smile goes a long way but can he deal effectively with all the intrigue and disagreement that seemingly goes on at the Vatican or at least that we hear so much about? Many news stories today say that the Church must have a leader who deals with the sex abuse crisis. Maybe the news reporters and pundits can also stress the need to deal with sexual abuse in the media (Jimmy Savile), Hollywood and TV entertainment, public schools, etc. The Catholic Church may feel the need to deal as well with the rise in secularism and relativism and the recent controversy about the pope's butler stealing Vatican documents. I'm sure there are many more issues to consider in electing a new pope. Speaking of documents, it should be fairly soon that all of Pope Pius XII archives will be available. I am also curious why Cardinal Avery Dulles became a cardinal from the rank of priest in one fell swoop-- done by Pope John Paul II. Today is a day to thank Pope Benedict for his service to the Church and his continued prayers. I am glad he is getting a warm response to his audience today. Edited by foxglove, Feb 27 2013, 09:19 PM.
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| Quasimodo | Feb 27 2013, 08:59 AM Post #14 |
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Ditto. Wikipedia:
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| cks | Feb 27 2013, 02:13 PM Post #15 |
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The papacy is the last real absolute monarchy that exists - of course the papal throne is not inherited but the occupant has enormous power to determine who his successor will be in the selections that he makes for the College of Cardinals. The pope also possesses the power to determine who can vote - remembr it used to be that ALL cardinals voted, it was John Paul II who instituted the rule restricting the vote to those 80 and under. I do not think that there will be an American elected - there are a number of reasons why but one can see that the numbers and their country of origin do not favor an American. Until yesterday, with the resignation of the leading prelate of Great Britain, there were 118 cardinals eligible to vote. Of those, 28 are Italian - and constitute the single largest block of voters from one country. There are 34 cardinals from the rest of the European continent. Together (the Italians and other Europeans) constitute the largest continental voting block with 62. This gives the Europeans a decided majority should they want to get their act together and make certain that the pope remains a European. Frankly, I do not see the Europeans willing to see someone from either the third world or from the Americas on the throne of Peter. There is the view that the Americans are far too liberal. Plus, the Americans are seen in certain quarters as bearing a large responsibility for the unfavorable press the Church has received over the pedophilia issue. Keep in mind also that the more liberal Americans would be reluctant to have a more militantly conservative African or Latin American cardinal on the throne - and as far as electing a liberal South American or African prelate, there might be demands that the American parishes send even more money to the papal coffers to be used for social programs. The way that I see it play out - it would not surprise me to see the Austrian cardinal be chosen as a compromise candidate. He is middle of the road enough that the conservatives would find him palatable and has been outspoken enough on social issues that the liberals could be satisfied. The American and Canadian delegation (14 votes) could swing his way and I imagine that the lone Australian could as well. I do not think that the 11 Asian (if they even all show), 11 African, and 19 Latin/South American cardinals could agree to vote as a block (keep in mind that there are front-running candidates from both Africa and South America whose constitutency will split their votes). Papal elections historically run on momentum - one cannot be viewed as actively campaigning. One thing for certain, this will not be a "one and done" vote. |
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