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Presidential Debate 10/03/12
Topic Started: Oct 3 2012, 01:37 PM (5,838 Views)
Mason
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Obama will probably consult MSNBC.

Maybe an earpiece like they use on the air.

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This was my favorite part, when Barry drifted off topic and Romney came back to it very strong:

LEHRER: That is a terrific segue to our next segment, and is the role of government. And -- and let's see. Role of government. And it is -- you are first on this, Mr. President. And the question is this. Do you believe, both of you -- but you had the first two minutes on this, Mr. President -- do you believe there's a fundamental difference between the two of you as to how you view the mission of the federal government?

OBAMA: Well, I definitely think there are differences.

LEHRER: And do you -- yeah.

OBAMA: The first role of the federal government is to keep the American people safe. That's its most basic function. And as commander-in-chief, that is something that I've worked on and thought about every single day that I've been in the Oval Office.

But I also believe that government has the capacity, the federal government has the capacity to help open up opportunity and create ladders of opportunity and to create frameworks where the American people can succeed.

Look, the genius of America is the free enterprise system and freedom and the fact that people can go out there and start a business, work on an idea, make their own decisions.

OBAMA: But as Abraham Lincoln understood, there are also some things we do better together. So, in the middle of the Civil War, Abraham Lincoln said, let's help to finance the Transcontinental Railroad, let's start the National Academy of Sciences, let's start land grant colleges, because we want to give these gateways of opportunity for all Americans, because if all Americans are getting opportunity, we're all going to be better off.

That doesn't restrict people's freedom. That enhances it.

And so what I've tried to do as president is to apply those same principles.

And when it comes to education what I've said is we've got to reform schools that are not working. We use something called Race to the Top. Wasn't a top-down approach, Governor. What we've said is to states, we'll give you more money if you initiate reforms. And as a consequence, you had 46 states around the country who have made a real difference.

But what I've also said is let's hire another 100,000 math and science teachers to make sure we maintain our technological lead and our people are skilled and able to succeed. And hard-pressed states right now can't all do that. In fact we've seen layoffs of hundreds of thousands of teachers over the last several years, and Governor Romney doesn't think we need more teachers. I do, because I think that that is the kind of investment where the federal government can help.

It can't do it all, but it can make a difference. And as a consequence we'll have a better trained workforce and that will create jobs because companies want to locate in places where we've got a skilled workforce.

LEHRER: Two minutes, Governor, on the role of government. Your view?

ROMNEY: Well, first, I love great schools. Massachusetts, our schools are ranked number one of all 50 states. And the key to great schools, great teachers.

So I reject the idea that I don't believe in great teachers or more teachers. Every school district, every state should make that decision on their own. The role of government: Look behind us. The Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. The role of government is to promote and protect the principles of those documents.

ROMNEY: First, life and liberty. We have a responsibility to protect the lives and liberties of our people, and that means a military second to none. I do not believe in cutting our military. I believe in maintaining the strength of America's military.

Second, in that line that says we are endowed by our creator with our rights, I believe we must maintain our commitment to religious tolerance and freedom in this country. That statement also says that we are endowed by our creator with the right to pursue happiness as we choose. I interpret that as, one, making sure that those people who are less fortunate and can't care for themselves are cared by -- by one another.

We're a nation that believes that we're all children of the same god and we care for those that have difficulties, those that are elderly and have problems and challenges, those that are disabled. We care for them. And we -- we look for discovery and innovation, all these things desired out of the American heart to provide the pursuit of happiness for our citizens.

But we also believe in maintaining for individuals the right to pursue their dreams and not to have the government substitute itself for the rights of free individuals. And what we're seeing right now is, in my view, a -- a trickle-down government approach, which has government thinking it can do a better job than free people pursuing their dreams. And it's not working.

And the proof of that is 23 million people out of work. The proof of that is 1 out of 6 people in poverty. The proof of that is we've gone from 32 million on food stamps to 47 million on food stamps. The proof of that is that 50 percent of college graduates this year can't find work.

LEHRER: All right.

ROMNEY: We know that the path we're taking is not working. It's time for a new path.
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Obama wants to invest in this, invest in that, repeat and rinse.

That equates to spend and spend.

That is his plan to drag us out of this. It really is further taking our down - finishing us off.

Obama's plan is to spend.


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I've read at least 100 headlines now and not one of them hints Obama won. The best score Barry isleft with comes from a few complaining & blaming Jim Lehrer for the loss!
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So what will be the result of tonight's debate?

1) Romney should get a bounce eventually among Independents
2) Obama voters should get slightly discouraged
3) Romney supporters should be encouraged.

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Oct 3 2012, 10:42 PM
I've read at least 100 headlines now and not one of them hints Obama won. The best score Barry isleft with comes from a few complaining & blaming Jim Lehrer for the loss!
It was Jim Lehrer's fault!

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
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Oct 3 2012, 10:44 PM
So what will be the result of tonight's debate?

1) Romney should get a bounce eventually among Independents
2) Obama voters should get slightly discouraged
3) Romney supporters should be encouraged.

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The Main Stream Media will feel the need to step up the attacks on Romney.

To rescue their boy.



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Oct 3 2012, 10:44 PM
So what will be the result of tonight's debate?

1) Romney should get a bounce eventually among Independents
2) Obama voters should get slightly discouraged
3) Romney supporters should be encouraged.

4) Obama bombs Libya, Syria and Iran by morning. IOW, he becomes desperate.
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MSNBC: Romney doesn't understand how Legislation is done.


These people are too much.

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Chris Matthews Freaks Out At Obama After Debate: Romney Was "Winning"

"Tonight wasn't an MSNBC debate tonight, was it?" Chris Matthews said after the first Obama-Romney presidential debate concluded on Wednesday night.

"I don't know what he was doing out there. He had his head down, he was enduring the debate rather than fighting it. Romney, on the other hand, came in with a campaign. He had a plan, he was going to dominate the time, he was going to be aggressive, he was going to push the moderator around, which he did effectively, he was going to relish the evening, enjoying it," Matthews said.

"Here's my question for Obama: I know he likes saying he doesn't watch cable television but maybe he should start. Maybe he should start. I don't know how he let Romney get away with the crap he throughout tonight about Social Security," Matthews complained.

Matthews then demanded that President Obama start watching cable news, specifically his program.

"Where was Obama tonight? He should watch -- well, not just Hardball, Rachel, he should watch you, he should watch the Reverend Al [Sharpton], he should watch Lawrence. He would learn something about this debate. There's a hot debate going on in this country. You know where it's been held? Here on this network is where we're having the debate," Matthews said. ...snipped

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/03/chris_matthews_freaks_out_at_obama_after_debate_romney_was_winning.html


Great advice Tingles. Just what Obama needs, start channeling Reverend Al Sharpton & Rachel Maddow

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Edited by Baldo, Oct 3 2012, 10:51 PM.
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Editorial from Chicago Tribune:

Strong offense. Weak defense.
The 2008 candidate of hope and change? He skipped this debate.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-edit-president-1004-20121004,0,1490034.story

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Both of these men boast Ivy League degrees. And each has shown himself capable of tremendous personal achievement.

But on Wednesday night, one man behaved as if he wanted to use what he has learned in life to lift America from its torpor. The other man behaved as if he was still strolling across Harvard Yard.
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Oct 3 2012, 10:45 PM
kbp
Oct 3 2012, 10:42 PM
I've read at least 100 headlines now and not one of them hints Obama won. The best score Barry isleft with comes from a few complaining & blaming Jim Lehrer for the loss!
It was Jim Lehrer's fault!

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2012/10/03/bianco-review-of-jim-lehrer-at-first-debate/1612049/

The debate on TV: Paging Jim Lehrer ...



Blame him or use him to direct attention away from the debate.
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Joan Foster

They are "fact checking"with Obama-spin all over the MSM. That's all they can do...the marionette blew it.

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http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/10/well-that-was-terrific.php

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Well, that was terrific

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Speaking of MSNBC - I can not believe the appearance of Al Sharpton.

It's long been suspected he had one of those stomach surgeries to reduce the size of the stomach to lose weight, but he looks absolutely horrible. Looks like he's hanging on.


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