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Presidential Debate 10/03/12
Topic Started: Oct 3 2012, 01:37 PM (5,833 Views)
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Michelle Obama is one angry miserable woman. I guess I'd be that way too if I were married to a dufus for 20 years. His public persona may have had a few years of polish and adolation, but she knows the truth.
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Rush said a couple of interesting things on his show today. One was he said that about 65 million people watched the debate and FOX had the most.

The other comment was a question he asked. Why does obama need to prepare for the debate since the debate is about what obama as president had done? ''So if obama does not know where he has been how can we know where he is going. More important is will he know anything about foreign policy or will it all be I cant talk about that or I cant mention that stuff. You know, blame it on national security.
It turns out we really do have a dummy in the white house. Lets see the lame stream media defend themselves now.
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BHO's anniversary salute to Michelle last night was about as cold fish as I have ever seen. Called himself the luckiest man on earth because she married him 20 years ago. Are there any men out there who envy him? or her? He called her "Sweedie"... and the vowels stuck in his throat,. And he sure did not look happy. I wish we had a camera on her. But then that wouldn't have been fair... The fascade of the "happy family" is just too much for me anytime I see them together.

sorry to be so caty... just my yuky feel about it.
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Oct 4 2012, 12:33 PM
If your like me I always bristle when Obama talks about "investing" in Green Energy, Education, and hiring more teachers. Where does he come up with "investing?" It is not investing in any financial sense. It is spending. Specially Borrowing, Taxing, and Spending on their special interests.

Here is an interesting article

The California roots of Obama calling government spending ‘investments’

Last night, when President Obama repeatedly described government spending as “investments,” no one batted an eyelash. This is how Democrats now talk. But few are aware of the California roots of this linguistic gambit.

Flash back to a decade ago. Not many remember this now, but back in the early 2000s, Republicans’ success in national politics led many Democrats to believe there had to be some other reason for their failure than their policies. One academic ended up convincing them that much of their problem was language and marketing.

It was UC Berkeley’s George Lakoff. Four years ago, on my late, lamented America’s Finest Blog, I noted how Lakoff had tried to sell his theories to California Democrats. But his first apostle was an L.A. Times reporter. Strange but true!

Here’s some of what I wrote on Oct. 21, 2008:

A few years ago, the theories of George Lakoff, a UC Berkeley linguist, were all the rage. He argued that Democrats were then in the doldrums because they were inept at framing issues.

One of his main suggestions: Dems should describe government spending as an “investment” and spending decisions as choices on where to “invest.”

This is a joke, of course, a severe and misleading twist on the traditional meaning of invest and investment. Salaries and benefits paid to government employees are not “investments.” Transfer payments to poor people are not “investments.”

Given the fact that experts say there’s no correlation between school spending and student performance, it’s also absurd to call education spending an “investment.” But all’s fair in politics, so it made sense for Dems to use this “frame” to make their case.

But why would journalists — unless they also had an agenda designed to change the way voters thought about government spending? Which brings us Los Angeles Times’ Sacramento-bureau reporter Evan Halper. Look at the shameless way he employs Lakoff’s “framing” technique in his ostensibly straight news reporting:

September 21, 2008: Come winter, emergency cuts will probably be needed. Proposals to invest in — or merely maintain — the state’s roads, schools and healthcare facilities will be put on the shelf again.

August 16, 2008: Some needs of government are unpredictable, and placing strict formulas on how the state spends its money could ultimately squeeze schools, healthcare services, the prison system and other government programs that polls suggest voters want the state to invest in.

August 16, 2008: Assembly Budget Committee Vice Chairman Roger Niello … defended the GOP formula, saying it allows for enough spending growth to steadily increase investments in education and healthcare.

January 11, 2008: Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger’s ambitious policy agenda collided with fiscal reality Thursday as he rolled out a proposed budget that threatens to unravel his investment in schools, healthcare and criminal justice programs.

I could go on, but the point is made. Halper’s trying to change how people traditionally think about government spending.What’s funny is the date of his earliest use of this tactic, at least according to my Nexis search.

May 12, 2005: School groups, healthcare organizations and advocates for the poor, meanwhile, are calling for the governor to invest billions more in those areas.

Why is this significant? That same month, The New Republic reported …

In California, where he has some of his deepest political ties, Lakoff has huddled with local Democrats numerous times. He devoted his presentation at a February retreat to offering advice on the issues that will dominate next year’s gubernatorial campaign

… starting with spending and the budget. Some Dems obliged by using the “invest/investment” claptrap.

And so did Halper. Maybe the timing is a coincidence. But one way or the other, Lakoff set out in early 2005 to change how state Democrats talk about spending — and instead, his biggest California convert ended up being the nominally nonpartisan state government reporter for the state’s most influential newspaper.

Great, just great.

http://www.calwatchdog.com/2012/10/04/the-california-roots-of-the-obama-trope-of-calling-government-spending-an-investment/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


George Lakoff: Moral Politics Lecture 1 hr
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f9R9MtkpqM
I recall long, long ago the spending being classified as investments in our future, most often capital outlays for infrastructure. I thought it started back with the works program under FDR.

The one that burns me is when a politician classifies any tax cut or reduction and government spending. Obama is the first one I recall saying it that way, though he probably learned it from others.
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Oct 4 2012, 01:28 PM
Before the debate, I was watching MSLSD and Howard Dean was on there telling us how to watch the debate. Dean stated that we should mute the sound on your TV and just watch the manerisms, after watching Obama get a good old fashion azz whippin, I see why Dean didn't want us to hear what was being said.
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Even without sound, it was NOT pretty for Dean to watch!



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some peoples parents did way too many drugs when they had kids. and somehow they ended up as people writing articles. lol lol sad
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http://washingtonexaminer.com/unhinged-harpers-mag-accuses-romney-of-sly-racist-jab-at-obama/article/2509866?custom_click=rss#.UG393bQzD0d

Unhinged: Harper’s Mag accuses Romney of ‘sly’ racist jab at Obama

October 4, 2012 | 3:23 pm
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Mitt Romney “slyly” proved he’s a racist last night while describing his tax plan. Did you notice? No? Anyone? Harper’s Magazine’s Kevin Baker embarrassed himself in accusing Romney of trying to lock down his allegedly-racist base during last night’s debate.

“[Obama]didn’t show a spark of anger, even when Romney slyly found a way to call him a boy, comparing Obama’s statements to the sorts of childish lies his ‘five boys’ used to tell,” Baker laments today. “How the right’s hard-core racists must have howled at that! Mitt, at long last, has secured his base.”

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Oct 4 2012, 04:25 PM
some peoples parents did way too many drugs when they had kids. and somehow they ended up as people writing articles. lol lol sad
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http://washingtonexaminer.com/unhinged-harpers-mag-accuses-romney-of-sly-racist-jab-at-obama/article/2509866?custom_click=rss#.UG393bQzD0d

Unhinged: Harper’s Mag accuses Romney of ‘sly’ racist jab at Obama

October 4, 2012 | 3:23 pm
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Mitt Romney “slyly” proved he’s a racist last night while describing his tax plan. Did you notice? No? Anyone? Harper’s Magazine’s Kevin Baker embarrassed himself in accusing Romney of trying to lock down his allegedly-racist base during last night’s debate.

“[Obama]didn’t show a spark of anger, even when Romney slyly found a way to call him a boy, comparing Obama’s statements to the sorts of childish lies his ‘five boys’ used to tell,” Baker laments today. “How the right’s hard-core racists must have howled at that! Mitt, at long last, has secured his base.”

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Romney:
Number two, I will not reduce the share paid by high-income individuals. I know that you and your running mate keep saying that and I know it's a popular thing to say with a lot of people, but it's just not the case. Look, I've got five boys. I'm used to people saying something that's not always true, but just keep on repeating it and ultimately hoping I'll believe it. But that -- that is not the case. All right? I will not reduce the taxes paid by high-income Americans.



His "boys" have children, so they are adults too. To cite it as a racist statement seems to include his own "boys" in the mix there.
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...Romney repeatedly and blatantly lied to the American people about his plans and the President's record. He failed to deliver the specifics that voters deserve to hear, and he doubled down on the same failed policies that hurt the middle class and led to the economic crisis.

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Hey Deb, we'll let you read it after we pass it.
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How does 0's 'economic patriotism' (pay your taxes, and be thankful) affect those who are on govt dole and pay no taxes ???? And the effect of 'pay your taxes and be thankful' (economic patriotism , will benefit whom?
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Oct 4 2012, 05:26 PM
How does 0's 'economic patriotism' (pay your taxes, and be thankful) affect those who are on govt dole and pay no taxes ???? And the effect of 'pay your taxes and be thankful' (economic patriotism , will benefit whom?
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Deficit spending under George Bush was unpatriotic - even though the DEMS wanted to spend more than Bush.

To your point, this is pure redistribution - but he can't say it. He's a 60's radical Marxist that's never had a real job.


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I just saw a snippet of one of Obama's campaign stops. He can preach it to the choir, but he did not have the 'nads to say it to Romney's face.

A spineles coward who happens to be backed by the Chicago machine.
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It is easier to lie to the crowd and then run away than to stand next to an individual who will challenge your lies with no way to escape.
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