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Presidential Debate 10/03/12
Topic Started: Oct 3 2012, 01:37 PM (5,834 Views)
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Romney is simply a better debater than Obama. Nothing is going to change that by the nest debate. This is who they are. Obama clearly was hurt by his avoidance of press conferences and the lack of tough questions. He has been given a pass by the MSM for his entire 3 3/4 years of his administration. It showed. In fact I doubt he was ever a good debater and is why he doesn't take questions. It perturbs him his narcissistic self.

Obama also committed a serious error in the debate. He talked generalities and not specifics. All economic studies, all economists, the same crap he overuses. You can use that but you have to site what studies in a debate. Of course Barry exaggerates. It is his style and he is not used to being challenged.

I listened to a college debating professor who appeared to be non-partisan and he said he wasn't surprised. He reviews all the debates and said Romney is a very good debater.

Obama is not used to being opposed. Can you imagine what happened when he faces Putin behind closed doors?

"This is my last election. After my election I will have more flexibility."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Py8BF0hHPnc

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Oct 4 2012, 10:01 AM
Romney is simply a better debater than Obama. Nothing is going to change that by the nest debate. This is who they are. Obama clearly was hurt by his avoidance of press conferences and the lack of tough questions. He has been given a pass by the MSM for his entire 3 3/4 years of his administration. It showed. In fact I doubt he was ever a good debater and is why he doesn't take questions. It perturbs him his narcissistic self.

Obama also committed a serious error in the debate. He talked generalities and not specifics. All economic studies, all economists, the same crap he overuses. You can use that but you have to site what studies in a debate. Of course Barry exaggerates. It is his style and he is not used to being challenged.

I listened to a college debating professor who appeared to be non-partisan and he said he wasn't surprised. He reviews all the debates and said Romney is a very good debater.

Obama is not used to being opposed. Can you imagine what happened when he faces Putin behind closed doors?

"This is my last election. After my election I will have more flexibility."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Py8BF0hHPnc

He did give many general statements, but what caught my attention was how often he went into mostly worthless details that missed out on helping him with the main topic, or even went clear off the topic of the questions asked.
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Media stop whining YOU CAUSED THIS LOSS! O hasn't been challenged in 5 yrs. U expected him to know what to do other than get mad?Do your job


David Gergen get's it right… 'Nobody has ever spoken to him like that'
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Gore Blames Altitude for Obama's Debate Woes


"Obama arrived in Denver at 2 p.m. today — just a few hours before the debate started," Gore said on his network, Current. "Romney did his debate prep in Denver. When you go to 5,000 feet, and you only have a few hours to adjust, I don't know..."

"The president had an off night," a pundit on the liberal network said.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/gores-blames-altitude-obamas-debate-woes_653613.html


Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm9BoM2Q81c&feature=player_embedded
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Baldo
Oct 4 2012, 10:41 AM
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Gore Blames Altitude for Obama's Debate Woes


"Obama arrived in Denver at 2 p.m. today — just a few hours before the debate started," Gore said on his network, Current. "Romney did his debate prep in Denver. When you go to 5,000 feet, and you only have a few hours to adjust, I don't know..."

"The president had an off night," a pundit on the liberal network said.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/gores-blames-altitude-obamas-debate-woes_653613.html


Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm9BoM2Q81c&feature=player_embedded
huge al, the scientist, should have remembered that the DNC convention where obama was nominated was in denver. ANd any scientist working in oxygen delivery to the brain at high altitude realizes it takes about a week to completely adapt.
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Lie detector voice analysis inconclusive

http://getliberty.org/lie-detector-voice-analysis-inconclusive/


Oct. 4, 2012, Fairfax, VA—Americans for Limited Government released the following statement regarding the lie detector voice analysis tests of the presidential debate:

“The lie detector voice analysis tests of the presidential debate were found to be inconclusive by Voice Analysis Technology. The technology can detect a deception if the person knows they are deceiving, but if they believe what they are saying is true, even if it is not, it is not picked up. We are engaging in further review of these reports.”
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chatham
Oct 4 2012, 11:11 AM
Baldo
Oct 4 2012, 10:41 AM
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Gore Blames Altitude for Obama's Debate Woes


"Obama arrived in Denver at 2 p.m. today — just a few hours before the debate started," Gore said on his network, Current. "Romney did his debate prep in Denver. When you go to 5,000 feet, and you only have a few hours to adjust, I don't know..."

"The president had an off night," a pundit on the liberal network said.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/gores-blames-altitude-obamas-debate-woes_653613.html


Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm9BoM2Q81c&feature=player_embedded
huge al, the scientist, should have remembered that the DNC convention where obama was nominated was in denver. ANd any scientist working in oxygen delivery to the brain at high altitude realizes it takes about a week to completely adapt.
He was in Denver, not Aspen or Breckenridge. Plllluuuueeeseee.
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Dick Morris

In this video commentary, I discuss how Romney wiped Obama out in last night’s debate! Now Romney will win! Tune in!

http://www.dickmorris.com/romney-debate-win-dick-morris-tv-lunch-alert/#commentblock


"Romney hit it out of the park tonight!"
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In the next debate, Barry will probably overcompensate and look bad again.
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Sorry to be a party popper but I am not taking one successful night as meaning much, especially with the American voter.

Hey, my Yankees won their division last night but that sure as hell don't mean they will win the pennant and head to the world series. But I will work to get them there by cheering them on.
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John Sununu talked about the next debate and the probability Obama would be better prepared.

Paraphrasing: "When you're not that smart nothing going to help him."

Which goes to the last election. Obama never had to talk about specifics, it was all hope & change. "I am going to reduce the deficit, be non-partisan, etc etc etc.." People fell for it. All hot air & lies.

McCain was even a worse debater than Obama.

This time our guy kicked his rear by talking specifics. Obama is so afraid of his record. There is much Romney can go after him on in the next debate.

Oct 11- Vice Presidential Debate Foreign and domestic topics Moderator Martha Raddatz ABC News foreign correspondent

Oct 16 - 2nd Presidential Debate Town meeting format Moderator Candy Crowley CNN chief political correspondent

Oct 22 - Third Presidential Debate Foreign policy Moderator Bob Schieffer Host of "Face the Nation"

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Oct 4 2012, 10:41 AM
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Gore Blames Altitude for Obama's Debate Woes


"Obama arrived in Denver at 2 p.m. today — just a few hours before the debate started," Gore said on his network, Current. "Romney did his debate prep in Denver. When you go to 5,000 feet, and you only have a few hours to adjust, I don't know..."

"The president had an off night," a pundit on the liberal network said.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/gores-blames-altitude-obamas-debate-woes_653613.html


Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm9BoM2Q81c&feature=player_embedded
At least he got the "I don't know" correct.
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chatham
Oct 4 2012, 11:11 AM
Baldo
Oct 4 2012, 10:41 AM
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Gore Blames Altitude for Obama's Debate Woes


"Obama arrived in Denver at 2 p.m. today — just a few hours before the debate started," Gore said on his network, Current. "Romney did his debate prep in Denver. When you go to 5,000 feet, and you only have a few hours to adjust, I don't know..."

"The president had an off night," a pundit on the liberal network said.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/gores-blames-altitude-obamas-debate-woes_653613.html


Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm9BoM2Q81c&feature=player_embedded
huge al, the scientist, should have remembered that the DNC convention where obama was nominated was in denver. ANd any scientist working in oxygen delivery to the brain at high altitude realizes it takes about a week to completely adapt.
A comment on Twitchy about this: Geez, if only Obama hadn't stopped the rising of the oceans, Denver would be so much closer to sea level. Ain't it ironic?
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If your like me I always bristle when Obama talks about "investing" in Green Energy, Education, and hiring more teachers. Where does he come up with "investing?" It is not investing in any financial sense. It is spending. Specially Borrowing, Taxing, and Spending on their special interests.

Here is an interesting article

The California roots of Obama calling government spending ‘investments’

Last night, when President Obama repeatedly described government spending as “investments,” no one batted an eyelash. This is how Democrats now talk. But few are aware of the California roots of this linguistic gambit.

Flash back to a decade ago. Not many remember this now, but back in the early 2000s, Republicans’ success in national politics led many Democrats to believe there had to be some other reason for their failure than their policies. One academic ended up convincing them that much of their problem was language and marketing.

It was UC Berkeley’s George Lakoff. Four years ago, on my late, lamented America’s Finest Blog, I noted how Lakoff had tried to sell his theories to California Democrats. But his first apostle was an L.A. Times reporter. Strange but true!

Here’s some of what I wrote on Oct. 21, 2008:

A few years ago, the theories of George Lakoff, a UC Berkeley linguist, were all the rage. He argued that Democrats were then in the doldrums because they were inept at framing issues.

One of his main suggestions: Dems should describe government spending as an “investment” and spending decisions as choices on where to “invest.”

This is a joke, of course, a severe and misleading twist on the traditional meaning of invest and investment. Salaries and benefits paid to government employees are not “investments.” Transfer payments to poor people are not “investments.”

Given the fact that experts say there’s no correlation between school spending and student performance, it’s also absurd to call education spending an “investment.” But all’s fair in politics, so it made sense for Dems to use this “frame” to make their case.

But why would journalists — unless they also had an agenda designed to change the way voters thought about government spending? Which brings us Los Angeles Times’ Sacramento-bureau reporter Evan Halper. Look at the shameless way he employs Lakoff’s “framing” technique in his ostensibly straight news reporting:

September 21, 2008: Come winter, emergency cuts will probably be needed. Proposals to invest in — or merely maintain — the state’s roads, schools and healthcare facilities will be put on the shelf again.

August 16, 2008: Some needs of government are unpredictable, and placing strict formulas on how the state spends its money could ultimately squeeze schools, healthcare services, the prison system and other government programs that polls suggest voters want the state to invest in.

August 16, 2008: Assembly Budget Committee Vice Chairman Roger Niello … defended the GOP formula, saying it allows for enough spending growth to steadily increase investments in education and healthcare.

January 11, 2008: Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger’s ambitious policy agenda collided with fiscal reality Thursday as he rolled out a proposed budget that threatens to unravel his investment in schools, healthcare and criminal justice programs.

I could go on, but the point is made. Halper’s trying to change how people traditionally think about government spending.What’s funny is the date of his earliest use of this tactic, at least according to my Nexis search.

May 12, 2005: School groups, healthcare organizations and advocates for the poor, meanwhile, are calling for the governor to invest billions more in those areas.

Why is this significant? That same month, The New Republic reported …

In California, where he has some of his deepest political ties, Lakoff has huddled with local Democrats numerous times. He devoted his presentation at a February retreat to offering advice on the issues that will dominate next year’s gubernatorial campaign

… starting with spending and the budget. Some Dems obliged by using the “invest/investment” claptrap.

And so did Halper. Maybe the timing is a coincidence. But one way or the other, Lakoff set out in early 2005 to change how state Democrats talk about spending — and instead, his biggest California convert ended up being the nominally nonpartisan state government reporter for the state’s most influential newspaper.

Great, just great.

http://www.calwatchdog.com/2012/10/04/the-california-roots-of-the-obama-trope-of-calling-government-spending-an-investment/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


George Lakoff: Moral Politics Lecture 1 hr
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f9R9MtkpqM
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Before the debate, I was watching MSLSD and Howard Dean was on there telling us how to watch the debate. Dean stated that we should mute the sound on your TV and just watch the manerisms, after watching Obama get a good old fashion azz whippin, I see why Dean didn't want us to hear what was being said.
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