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The Todd Akin mess
Topic Started: Aug 20 2012, 10:34 AM (4,016 Views)
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Speaking of hypocrites the Dems continue to build on their resume:

http://minx.cc/?post=332085
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One has to wonder what Akin was smoking when he uttered those words. There is rape (a crime) and those who lie about being raped (also a crime - but a different one). One should never try to distinguish them by the prefix of legitimate or illegitimate.

IMHO, Akin has shot himself in the foot with more than a handgun - he has used a bazooka. He should have bowed out. He hasn't and now Romney and Ryan will have the media hounding them on this issue - making it difficult for them to get their message out.
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Joan Foster

Akin is currently demonstrating that he puts HIMSELF before principle, before the greater good. We need Obama OUT and barring that, we need a Congress that will stand against him. We do not need another self-involved, self-perpetuating politican.

I am staunchly pro-life and yet I can hardly stand to look at this Fool. In his "apology"... he just succeeded in looking out of touch. Yes, the media and the Dems are hypocrites...but frankly, if he can't handle these kind of questions that every Conservative KNOWS are coming....if he can't be prepared enough to have crafted answers, or a strategy to media bias...then he is ill prepared for this job. No campaigning R can ever be "blindsided" by the abortion debate or its attending media traps. Even those of us on the sidelines know how the game is played. For some reason, Akin went on the field and didn't expect to be tackled hard with the same old plays being called?

Really?

Akin needs to go.
Edited by Joan Foster, Aug 22 2012, 06:20 AM.
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Aug 22 2012, 06:17 AM
Akin is currently demonstrating that he puts HIMSELF before principle, before the greater good. We need Obama OUT and barring that, we need a Congress that will stand against him. We do not need another self-involved, self-perpetuating politican.

I am staunchly pro-life and yet I can hardly stand to look at this Fool. In his "apology"... he just succeeded in looking out of touch. Yes, the media and the Dems are hypocrites...but frankly, if he can't handle these kind of questions that every Conservative KNOWS are coming....if he can't be prepared enough to have crafted answers, or a strategy to media bias...then he is ill prepared for this job. No campaigning R can ever be "blindsided" by the abortion debate or its attending media traps. Even those of us on the sidelines know how the game is played. For some reason, Akin went on the field and didn't expect to be tackled hard with the same old plays being called?

Really?

Akin needs to go.
Akin's comments demean the brave women who decided not to abort a
baby conceived from a rape.

Akin's comments imply that these women -- who are saints in my mind --
were not the victims of a "legitimate rape."

That's terrible for him to imply that. I've heard such women say that
they didn't want the child to be the second victim of the crime. He should
have apologized to those women directly -- profusely!!!!
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Joan Foster

MikeZPU
Aug 22 2012, 08:56 AM
Joan Foster
Aug 22 2012, 06:17 AM
Akin is currently demonstrating that he puts HIMSELF before principle, before the greater good. We need Obama OUT and barring that, we need a Congress that will stand against him. We do not need another self-involved, self-perpetuating politican.

I am staunchly pro-life and yet I can hardly stand to look at this Fool. In his "apology"... he just succeeded in looking out of touch. Yes, the media and the Dems are hypocrites...but frankly, if he can't handle these kind of questions that every Conservative KNOWS are coming....if he can't be prepared enough to have crafted answers, or a strategy to media bias...then he is ill prepared for this job. No campaigning R can ever be "blindsided" by the abortion debate or its attending media traps. Even those of us on the sidelines know how the game is played. For some reason, Akin went on the field and didn't expect to be tackled hard with the same old plays being called?

Really?

Akin needs to go.
Akin's comments demean the brave women who decided not to abort a
baby conceived from a rape.

Akin's comments imply that these women -- who are saints in my mind --
were not the victims of a "legitimate rape."

That's terrible for him to imply that. I've heard such women say that
they didn't want the child to be the second victim of the crime. He should
have apologized to those women directly -- profusely!!!!
Great post, Mike.

I absolutely agree.
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Akin knows he has the Republicans between a rock and hard place. By staying in the race, he ultimately forces them to contribute to his campaign if they want to be competitive in Missouri ultimately winning a seat and a state in the Presidential race. Now the party needs to deside what principle they will stand own, win or take the high road against his comments. The guy is not as dumb as he looks.
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Aug 22 2012, 09:12 AM
Akin knows he has the Republicans between a rock and hard place. By staying in the race, he ultimately forces them to contribute to his campaign if they want to be competitive in Missouri ultimately winning a seat and a state in the Presidential race. Now the party needs to deside what principle they will stand own, win or take the high road against his comments. The guy is not as dumb as he looks.



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Joan Foster

Another example of Akin's unsuitabilty is his inexcusable lack of preparation for the emotional torpedoes that the Dems have been using for decades in these discussions about abortion or any of their "compassionate" topics. If you are going to put yourself out there you need to formulate an answer to the question of pregnancies after rape, lives lost in "back alleys", the perception that poor women were "stuck" unless government intervened.

I have my answers because I know those "gotcha" questions are coming. It is inexcusable to be so unprepared that you either shame yourself by looking like some ignoramous..or, actually reveal yourself to be one.

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I tend to believe "ignoramous" best describes Akin. Do you wonder if his wife sat him down last night and told him the facts of life?
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Joan Foster

My answer to the rape question is simply: because I believe that life begins at conception, the only compassionate answer I can give you is that a child should not pay for the crime of his Father. Then I ask if they have seen those timy preeemie babies in the hospital fighting for their lives? I ask them if they believe that those babies cannot feel pain. I remind them that Obama supported late term abortion...the killing of these preemiesEVEN IF only for the convenience of the 'MOTHER"...when he was in the Illinois legislature.

Therefore, you remind your Pro Choice friend that there are difficult questions on ALL sides of this debate...not just ours.
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So lets make fun of Joe Biden when he speaks in his gaffe language about racial issues but tear the hell out of someone who misspeaks about abortion? Biden insulted blacks recently and middle eastern 7-11 owners back a while?

My point is even conservatives are caught up in criticising an abhorrent abortion comment the same as the liberals are. The difference is, conservatives get mad and liberals have a party. If a democrat said this comment there would be no thread criticizing it here. Can't anyone look at this as a mistake and an apology and move on?

Personally I think he was saying why should the baby suffer by killing it with an abortion even in a case of a rape. Now I personally dont agree with that philosophy but I can accept someone who does.

It is unfortunate that republicans comment a lot about individual freedoms and yet make rules where people have to do things the republican way. Abortion is one of those issues where republicans cannot allow any individual choice. (check out the republican platform) My complaint about abortion is I do not want my tax dollars paying for some female to kill a fertilized egg developing into a human being. And I am for sure not going to become a moral judge when a person chooses to do what they choose to do. It is kinda sad when we want government out of our business but we want government in our sex life.
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Furious is what I am hearing from inside the republican campaign community(not just the old establishment either)

Akin is making himself a pariah in the party. What does he expect to accomplish if by some miracle he is elected? He will be sitting over in the corner by himself. I guess, draw a paycheck.

This guy's career is over if he loses. I mean over over over. His only hope is to bow out and admit he pull one of the unforgiven mistakes during a campaign. Down the road he can rehabilitate himself, but not now. Not with that I am right over all attitude.

Do we really want him sitting in the US Senate? I don't.





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Possible Crack?

Akin still defiant, but leaves door open to quitting Senate race

(Reuters) - Republican Representative Todd Akin left open the possibility that he might drop out of the Missouri Senate race, but remained defiant against "party bosses" who want him to quit after controversial comments on rape and abortion.

"I'm never going to say everything that could possibly happen. I don't know the future," Akin said on ABC's "Good Morning America," opening the door to a possible exit from the race.

Akin apologized again in multiple television interviews on Wednesday for his earlier comments, but said he intended to remain in the race to be able to promote his staunch anti-abortion beliefs and to respect the wishes of Missouri voters.

"The people of Missouri chose me, and I don't believe it's right for party bosses to decide to override those voters," Akin said. "It makes me uncomfortable to think that the party bosses are going to dictate who runs, as opposed to the election process."

Republican Party leaders, including presidential candidate Mitt Romney, have been calling for Akin to leave the Senate race against Democrat Claire McCaskill over his remarks that victims of "legitimate rape" can naturally avoid pregnancy.

The backlash over Akin's comments has dominated campaigning for the November 6 election, energizing Democrats and testing Romney's control over his party a week before the national convention to formally nominate him for the presidency - the biggest event in his political career.

To the chagrin of many Republicans, the controversy has set off a firestorm over abortion and other social issues that distracts from the jobs-oriented economic message Romney and his vice presidential running mate, Representative Paul Ryan, want to send to relatively moderate independent voters.

Ryan distanced himself from Akin in an interview with KDKA radio in Pittsburgh on Wednesday, calling Akin's comment that "legitimate rape" would not result in pregnancy "outrageous."..snipped

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/22/us-usa-campaign-akin-idUSBRE87K0VW20120822
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Interesting that Akin is getting so much press but Mark Clayton in Tennessee is not...
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I'm concerned that this may turn out to be ultimately regretting what was wished for.

While Akin misspoke and his reasoning at best appears a bit backwards and cloudy, there may be voters who feel he is being strong armed by party bosses and it may ultimately come back to haunt them. It is not at all certain that he looses the race. After all, there is more at stake than the abortion issue.
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