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Democratic National Convention; Charlotte, NC Sept 4-6
Topic Started: Aug 3 2012, 11:12 PM (7,660 Views)
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There are two major problems with Clinton's speech.

1) Clinton isn't Obama. Clinton triangulated back to the center after he got his ass handled to him by the Republicans taking over the Congress.

Obama has shown no desire to go back to the center. In some respects he has doubled down.

2) Clinton uses "Fuzzy Math" or Arithmetic to explain his "balancing the budget."

Hogwash! Clinton didn't count Intergovernmental transfers in his "balancing the budget." It wasn't balanced.

The revenues from Social Security & Medicare taxes go into the US Treasury as an inflow. Does it go into a Trust Fund as they say? Well not exactly. That money is loaned to the US Govt General Spending to meet current spending demands. Currently we have been running deficits over 1.2 Trillion a year.

Those Medicare & Social Security Trust Funds received a bond at an extremely low interest rate(the lowest possible). Great huh, they get our tax revenue to use now and promise to repay it back for the future beneficiaries of Social Security & Medicare. What do we get in return? Some bonds locked in a safe that the US Govt promises to repay.

These are called Intergovernmental Transfers. They are Debts that have to be repaid back to the Trust Fund when those funds are needed. But what happens in the future if we start having trouble selling those bonds to finance current expenses.

Now is the reality.

I love Clinton's math. We will use those Social Security & Medicare taxes to "balance" the budget and promise to pay them back later. It's an Old DC Accounting Trick, both Parties do it.

Unfortunately this is the reality


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We are in deep trouble and pretending we are not is only going to lead to more ruin. I doubt if we can ever pay our debts. Clinton bragging about his balanced budget is just another big lie to the massive lie that is DC.

DC is about Power. It's about the ability to spend borrowed money on your party, your donors, your crony Capitalists. What does Clinton or Obama, or for that matter Bush's care. They have theirs. They and their children will never have to worry about money, food, or anything but legacy.

But we are headed full bore down that track to a train wreck and we suffer fools like Clinton bragging about Arithmetic.
Edited by Baldo, Sep 6 2012, 11:05 AM.
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Joan Foster

If I have run my husband into debt so deep that the way out is frighteningly unclear...and I have given no indication that I intend to stop spendng....in fact I have promised my spoiled children that the good times will continue to roll...financed by Big Daddy....WHAT DIFFERENCE if some brother-in-law of mine talks about how FABULOUS I am and what HE did in the nineties? What solution does the reminiscing and hoping have to THIS DEBT?

There are REAL problems. The Dems cannot shake all the promises they made to get votes. They cannot lead us out. That's their issue. They can only sell insincere nonsense that all these entitlements can be rescued by taxing the rich...while we grow the entitlement rolls by refusing to deal with illegals. Dems cannot deal with illegals. They are on the Promise list...the GetSome List. So as they spend, they continue to add to the Entitlement base. Cause they need the votes..Not because they know how to PAY. They can't PAY for the handouts that we already have!

How secure will any senior or any citizen be..if the Dems just keep spending and ignoring the debt? And blithely increasing the numbers ofbthese entitlement rolls?

But they give great speeches. They "feel your pain. " What frauds! They are like Cancer Quacks who feed their patients sugar pills.

Edited by Joan Foster, Sep 6 2012, 10:45 AM.
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Sending Clinton out to do the heavy lifting was just an obvious admission that Obama can't carry it on his own. Do we want a "shadow" president? Isn't that what some feel we already have?

The conventions are smoke and mirrors. Productions for viewers. Networks have biases, but they don't all lie.

THe debates are coming. They will tell us more about the American people than the candidates.

Nov. 6 will tell us what the majority of Americans have understood to be the implications of this election. I suspect that none in my lifetime has had more serious ramifications. Until 2008, I felt that some of the Democrats were still good, God-fearing people who just saw things different from myself. People with whom I could still have an intelligent dialogue.

I no longer feel that way. The Divider-in-chief has destroyed common decency and morality in both the government and in our civil discourse.

The Democrats are all about rights. The Republicans are mostly about responsibilities.

I greatly fear that our nation has become so narcotized by the liberal hypnotics that the voting booths will be stuffed with people who just want what they want today, without understanding that can cost them their freedoms tomorrow.

I hope I'm wrong. I fear I'm not.
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Raise taxes on the Rich is the answer say the Dems!

If it would actually solve the problem and lead to a better country what do I care, I'm not rich. Tax those bastards, they have more than me.

But is that a real solution? It isn't & they know it. We could double their taxes and what would it do? Would it solve our entitlement problem? Nope!

That the dirty secret. The TAX THE RICH plan is more hogwash. It won't solve our problems. At best it might give is a few more years of delusional spending, but we know what would happen. The rich would move their capital and the economy would die. Even if they didn't move unless we cut the Sacred Cow that is Govt Spending nothing will change. The rich already pay 39.5 percent of all federal income taxes. We are still running 1.2 Trillion Dollar deficit. Double their taxes to 80% & we are still short of revenue.

The Tax the Rich Plan is just more hogwash fed to the masses to get elected.

That's how bad it is. Go look at the figures. What is sad to me is so few Americans understand the situation and how bad it is. I hate to be Debbie Downer.

Edited by Baldo, Sep 6 2012, 11:30 AM.
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http://www.redstate.com/2012/09/06/the-media-are-objective-and-this-abc-reporters-tweet-may-leave-you-needing-a-shower/

The Media Are Objective. And This ABC Reporter’s Tweet May Leave You Needing a Shower.
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The Overnight Ratings are In.

Bill got sacked for a big loss. The NFL won, but so did Big Brother, and So you think you can Dance!

NBC was the number 1 network with adults 18-49, and total viewers.

On NBC, NFL Kickoff scored a 5.5 adults 18-49 rating, down 14% from a 6.4 fast national for last year's telecast on Thursday, September 8. The NFL Football game, featuring the Cowboys versus the Giants, garnered a 8.7 among adults 18-49, down 15% from a 10.2 fast national for last year's telecast on Thursday, September 8.

On CBS, Big Brother garnered a 2.1 adults 18-49 rating, down 9% from last week's Wednesday high of 2.3.

On FOX, So You Think You Can Dance earned a 1.4 adults 18-49 rating, down 7% from last week's 1.5 adults 18-49 rating.

On the CW, Oh Sit! scored a 0.4 adults 18-49 rating, even with last week.

Coverage of the Democratic National Convention earned a 0.9 adults 18-49 rating on ABC and a 0.9 adults 18-49 rating on CBS. However, these numbers are approximate and subject to more than typical adjustment.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/09/06/tv-ratings-wednesday-nfl-season-opener-down-but-still-dominates-night-big-brother-so-you-think-you-can-dance-fall-plus-dnc-coverage/147493/


So essentially few of the TV audience were watching Clinton!

But on the good side he did beat Oh Sit! ("high-octane musical chairs competition")
Edited by Baldo, Sep 6 2012, 11:33 AM.
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Joan Foster

Some years ago, I heard a group of speakers tell how they had been helped by volunteer programs in our city. One woman found herself in the Greyhound station in the middle of the night with 4 kids, fleeing an abusive husband. She was out of money...just stuck. Junior league and Catholic charities have the names of volunteers left in such places. Volunteers who will come to a crummy part of town in the middle of the night and take strangers in TO THEIR HOMES..get them settled in shelters in the next days...help them find work.

TELL ME what government worker she could have called for immediate help? What federal program was there for immediate assistance?

Dems dont want to get their hands dirty....not the elite like our President styles himself. Thry want the GOVERNMENT to do it...have people call ten numbers and work through a bureaucracy to get help...so THEY can stay above it.

This is another Dem dirty secret. That is NOT compassion..That is posturing.
Edited by Joan Foster, Sep 6 2012, 11:38 AM.
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http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/06/13703624-first-thoughts-obamas-four-challenges?lite
First Thoughts: Obama's four challenges

Obama’s four challenges tonight… Clinton comes to the president’s defense… He also praises Bush, while lashing out at “hate” of GOP… The danger of the Romney campaign elevating Clinton… Before Clinton’s speech, however, Wednesday was a day full of headaches for the Democrats… A diminished Biden… Obama camp releases “Promises Kept” video, while RNC unveils “The Breakup” ad… And Romney to do “Meet the Press” this Sunday.

snip....
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Letss get one thing straight about Clintons claim to balancing his budget. Clinton only submits a budget. It is the congress that balances it. Why do we remain so naive to believe that any president balances a budget. Obama submits crap that even the democratics in congress will not vote for wihtout congressional changes. When congress tries to suggest a budget some dems and obama refuse to look at it. That is one reason we are so messed up. Clinton was successful because he compromised with gingrich and other republicans, not for any other reason. IMO clintons speech was ok, but he did not throw much respect toward obamas time in office. Bill Clinton kept talking about his successes which obama has not even started to achieved. Sure, someone may say obamacare got passed, but does anyone believe it would have been passed by that corrupt congress without some high level bribery going on? Of course not.

Some posters can point out all they want about the truthfulness of FOX news or other news organizations on either side of the aisle. But the truth here is they are not saying anything more than what people want to hear and agree with. That is why they have viewers. Think about it. It is easy to criticize FOX news if one already has a formed opinion about some point. If one really had an open mind then one would take the positives from all the media. We tend to not look at it that way. It is also sad that we dont even have to listen to a media like FOX news to be critical of them or any other media outlet. Maybe too much education does this to us and that is why it is so easy to lie to the uneducated. The not as del educated think they should believe what they read and hear without critical thinking.

Chris Mathews is one of those cretins who can approach incompetence from the ground up when he talks. He said clinton was so good last night that he could have sex (oops, reproduce) with the creatures on Mars, no problem. He could talk to those Martians and convince them. A lewinsky moment I am sure. The laughable part of his comment is that some person watching or listening to Chris <blink, blink> on MSNBC believes him.

It becomes pretty obvious when one is allowed to criticize a news organization with Chris Mathews as a host. I dont think criticism is as obvious when one broadcasts an opinion you dont agree with. And then call it lies. Just remember something about opinions and feedback to ones opinions. Constructive criticism is listened to, destructive criticism is ignored. Just saying something is a lie with no explanation as to why is destructive and should be ignored. The is nothing brilliant about saying someone lied without telling them what the lie is.
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So far there was only one GLOBAL WARMING mentioned in a speech.

AL Gore extremely disappointed.
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Sep 6 2012, 09:02 AM


"The gain in private employment in August is strong enough to suggest that the national unemployment rate may have declined," Joel Prakken, Macroeconomic Advisers chairman, said in a statement.

"Today's estimate, if matched by a similar reading on employment from the BLS (Bureau of Labor Statistics) on Friday, will alleviate concerns that the economy has slipped into a downturn," he said.



:think:

Stepping back to view it, that is not good news, but it will give the liberals a tingle.
So even tepid improvement to the economy while Obama is president is bad news? You're channeling Mitch McConnell and Brush Limbaugh there.

I liked Clinton's speech but as you know I'm mostly a Democrat. I checked out Fox News this morning but didn't turn it on until 7:10, after I toured the other networks, who were fawning over the speech. I skipped around stations a little but spent most of the rest of the hour on Fox, and I didn't see a mention the speech from 7:10 until 7:55. They were much more interested in the embarrassing ramrod of platform changes on God and Jerusalem as Israel's capital and in catching the DNC Chairwoman lying about denying she said Republican policies were dangerous to Israel.

Fox did cover the speech at the top of the 8:00 hour by bringing on one of the least credible and biggest t.v. journalist apologists for Clinton's lies about sex, Giraldo Rivera, to discuss and argue with the hosts about the speech for about 5 minutes. You could almost hear a producer tell the hosts, that's enough of that crap, as they moved off the topic entirely. They went back to clips of the guy at the DNC platform taking a voice vote 3 times on the platform changes before he declared that 2/3 were in favor of the change (To me the volume of nays was about the same as the ayes), then to a guy driving a NASCAR simulator.

There really can be no doubt that Fox is the propaganda arm of the right wing of the Republican Party, as intended by its creator Roger Ailes, a former media consultant for Republican presidents Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, and George H. W. Bush and Rudy Giuliani’s first mayoral campaign before he left organized politics. One can reasonably argue that this is healthy since the other main networks are liberal-leaning, but one cannot reasonably argue Fox is "fair and balanced".

A quick check this morning to the prominent fact checkers on Clinton's speech showed that most of the factual material he cited was true. The worst distortion was that medical costs increased only 4% a year under Obama. Like I pointed out in my statement in the RNC threat about using a literally true fact to make a dishonest argument, one can't really credit Obama with that since the economy was still declining over those years and of course medical cost increases were mild. Medical costs are less apt to manipulation by cartels like the oil companies and there was the BP disaster, too, allowing for the boost in gas prices at the pump.
Well, "stepping back" a few steps to look at it, I see little or no change to speak of in the 8.3% unemployment rate we're stuck with still ...the increase in new jobs was very small.

That liberal good news is that things are getting better, but the reality of it is that only a few thousand more people have jobs this month. The actual number of psople working is terrible.

Another way to look at it, knowing what we need in the way of new jobs and pay rates, is I see it as a cup over 3/4 empty and liberals are bragging it is almost 1/4 full.

If a liberal wants to get my attention, all they have to do is explain to me what

...is Obama's plan?

It has done more damage than good so far. We have an unbelievable amount of debt that restrains our options for competing with much of the world in trade and there is absolutely no realistic plan to reduce that debt or the deficit causing it to gets worse each year.
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Axelrod blames ‘other’ Democrats for platform mess

David Axelrod and Valerie Jarrett played cleanup this morning on the Democratic platform mess, blaming ‘others’ for allowing ‘Jerusalem’ and ‘God’ to drop out of the platform language.

“Honestly Charlie, he was counting on others, he had some other duties and responsibilities so when he learned that it had been taken out of the platform, he had it put back in,” Axelrod said, explaining that the President learned about the missing language yesterday.

Mayor Corey Booker and former Gov. Ted Strickland of Ohio were both part of the platform drafting process.

:roflmao:

The 2nd and 3rd in charge are telling us the Captain is blaming his crew for this shipwreck!

Can't the Captain handle his own crew???

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I wanted to find the time necessary to dig through Bill's speech, as I see lots of BS that conflicts with his own more conservative approach with economics.

After having read through it quickly, the most I see that generally praises Barry looks like Bill is telling us he trusts Barry will complete his 4 year plan in an 8 year span.
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“Honestly Charlie, he was counting on others, he had some other duties and responsibilities so when he learned that it had been taken out of the platform, he had it put back in,” Axelrod said, explaining that the President learned about the missing language yesterday.


So, he voted "present" again?
Edited by Rusty Dog, Sep 6 2012, 12:50 PM.
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Dick Morris Clinton was like a good lawyer defending a guilty client

In this video commentary, I discuss how Bill Clinton’s Democratic National Convention speech underscored the weakness of Obama’s case. Tune in!

http://www.dickmorris.com/clinton-was-like-a-good-lawyer-defending-a-guilty-client-dick-morris-tv-lunch-alert/?utm_source=dmreports&utm_medium=dmreports&utm_campaign=dmreports


But Clinton has been disbarred and can no longer practice law because he perjured himself.
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