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Democratic National Convention; Charlotte, NC Sept 4-6
Topic Started: Aug 3 2012, 11:12 PM (7,661 Views)
Mason
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This is what I've Seen out of This Convention.

They think no further than the next fix.
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Sep 6 2012, 05:30 AM
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Bill's Arithmetic - he applauds Obama's plans and budgets which are well known for using the same money twice.

How does that formula look in Arkansas Arithmetic?

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/dnc-2012-bill-clintons-speech-at-the-democratic-national-convention-excerpt/2012/09/05/f208865e-f7a4-11e1-8253-3f495ae70650_print.html

....I think the President’s plan is better than the Romney plan, because the Romney plan fails the first test of fiscal responsibility: The numbers don’t add up.

It’s supposed to be a debt reduction plan but it begins with five trillion dollars in tax cuts over a ten-year period. That makes the debt hole bigger before they even start to dig out. They say they’ll make it up by eliminating loopholes in the tax code. When you ask “which loopholes and how much?,” they say “See me after the election on that.”

People ask me all the time how we delivered four surplus budgets. What new ideas did we bring? I always give a one-word answer: arithmetic. If they stay with a 5 trillion dollar tax cut in a debt reduction plan - the - arithmetic tells us that one of three things will happen: 1) they’ll have to eliminate so many deductions like the ones for home mortgages and charitable giving that middle class families will see their tax bill go up two thousand dollars year while people making over 3 million dollars a year

get will still get a 250,000 dollar tax cut; or 2) they’ll have to cut so much spending that they’ll obliterate the budget for our national parks, for ensuring clean air, clean water, safe food, safe air travel; or they’ll cut way back on Pell Grants, college loans, early childhood education and other programs that help middle class families and poor children, not to mention cutting investments in roads, bridges, science, technology and medical research; or 3) they’ll do what they’ve been doing for thirty plus years now - cut taxes more than they cut spending, explode the debt, and weaken the economy. Remember, Republican economic policies quadrupled the debt before I took office and doubled it after I left. We simply can’t afford to double-down on trickle-down.

President Obama’s plan cuts the debt, honors our values, and brightens the future for our children, our families and our nation.



Bill cut taxes to influence investments, best known cut was on capital gains. I have no idea what Obama plan budget he is talking about ...the last I know of received ZERO votes in Congress.
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Mobama should be jealous!

It took quite a tale for Bill to make the crowd believe they are better off 4 years later ...then they had to buy gas to drive home after the speech!
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Thinking about Clinton's speech last night I see come code words in his chat with the delegates. When he said "you will feel it" I think he really means that if the cool guys gets reelected the middle class will really feel it because they will be broke. There are others also.
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what he said


CLINTON: Now -- but he has -- he has laid the foundations for a new, modern, successful economy of shared prosperity. And if you will renew the president’s contract, you will feel it. You will feel it.

(APPLAUSE)

Folks, whether the American people believe what I just said or not may be the whole election. I just want you to know that I believe it. With all my heart, I believe it.
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I didn't watch it and I didn't care. I was happily watching the start of the NFL Season.

I knew that adulterer would just lie anyway. Why hear more of that crap?
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his 25 minute speech went into 50 minutes. He lost a lot of the east coast becasue his speech went on till about 11:30. He already has the west coast so who cares how long he talked there. I found him a little boring.
Edited by chatham, Sep 6 2012, 08:43 AM.
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kbp

Watch for the BLS to screw with the numbers coming out on unemployment the end of this week. They can always revise these numbers next time!
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I should have read the headlines before my last post!


http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/09/06/usa-economy-employment-adp-idINL2E8K62QF20120906
UPDATE 1-US Aug private sector job growth beats expectations-ADP

(Reuters) - U.S. private employers added a better than expected 201,000 jobs in August, a report by a payrolls processor showed on Thursday, a rare dash of good news for the country's struggling labor market.

July's figure from the ADP National Employment Report was revised up to 173,000 from the previously reported 163,000.

August's job gain easily topped expectations of 140,000 new jobs, and was the highest since March.

U.S. stock futures edged higher after the ADP release, and the U.S. dollar extended gains against the yen.

The U.S. government will deliver the much more comprehensive August payrolls report on Friday, for which economists expect payrolls growth to have dipped from July

The jobless rate was high at 8.3 percent in July, causing deep concern at the Federal Reserve, which aims for maximum employment and which could ease policy even more at a meeting next week.

"The gain in private employment in August is strong enough to suggest that the national unemployment rate may have declined," Joel Prakken, Macroeconomic Advisers chairman, said in a statement.

"Today's estimate, if matched by a similar reading on employment from the BLS (Bureau of Labor Statistics) on Friday, will alleviate concerns that the economy has slipped into a downturn," he said.



:think:

Stepping back to view it, that is not good news, but it will give the liberals a tingle.
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The number of Americans filing new claims for jobless benefits fell last week to its lowest level in a month, an upbeat signal for a labor market that has struggled to create enough jobs.

Initial claims for state unemployment benefits dropped 12,000 to a seasonally adjusted 365,000, the Labor Department said on Thursday.

It was the first drop in new claims since the week that ended Aug. 4 and the lowest level since then as well.

Economists polled by Reuters had forecast claims dipping to 370,000 last week. The prior week's figure was revised up to show 3,000 more applications than previously reported.

However, the four-week moving average for new claims, a better measure of labor market trends, edged up to 371,250.

A Labor Department official said there was nothing unusual in the data and no sign Hurricane Isaac affected the level of claims. The storm hit the U.S. Gulf Coast last week, disrupting business at the region's ports, airports and oil refineries.

The report has no direct bearing on Friday's monthly employment report for August, which is expected to show nonfarm payrolls rose by a modest 125,000 last month, while the unemployment rate is seen staying the same at 8.3 percent.

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http://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/2012/09/06/new-jobless-claims-fall-for-first-time-in-month/
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Mason
Sep 6 2012, 01:34 AM
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Clinton's speech is series of lies, fabrications, half-truths, and misrepresentations.



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They usually are. But he does it with a glimmer in his eyes. He could get away with it when times were good. Problem for him and 0bama is the economy is in the cr@pper and everyone knows it.

Also when Clinton was up on the stage I couldn't help but think to myself that the democrat party has gone so far to the left that his clone would have a hard time winning a democrat primary. Guess the clone Clinton would have to stick his finger to the wind and adapt...
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Sep 6 2012, 09:02 AM


"The gain in private employment in August is strong enough to suggest that the national unemployment rate may have declined," Joel Prakken, Macroeconomic Advisers chairman, said in a statement.

"Today's estimate, if matched by a similar reading on employment from the BLS (Bureau of Labor Statistics) on Friday, will alleviate concerns that the economy has slipped into a downturn," he said.



:think:

Stepping back to view it, that is not good news, but it will give the liberals a tingle.
So even tepid improvement to the economy while Obama is president is bad news? You're channeling Mitch McConnell and Brush Limbaugh there.

I liked Clinton's speech but as you know I'm mostly a Democrat. I checked out Fox News this morning but didn't turn it on until 7:10, after I toured the other networks, who were fawning over the speech. I skipped around stations a little but spent most of the rest of the hour on Fox, and I didn't see a mention the speech from 7:10 until 7:55. They were much more interested in the embarrassing ramrod of platform changes on God and Jerusalem as Israel's capital and in catching the DNC Chairwoman lying about denying she said Republican policies were dangerous to Israel.

Fox did cover the speech at the top of the 8:00 hour by bringing on one of the least credible and biggest t.v. journalist apologists for Clinton's lies about sex, Giraldo Rivera, to discuss and argue with the hosts about the speech for about 5 minutes. You could almost hear a producer tell the hosts, that's enough of that crap, as they moved off the topic entirely. They went back to clips of the guy at the DNC platform taking a voice vote 3 times on the platform changes before he declared that 2/3 were in favor of the change (To me the volume of nays was about the same as the ayes), then to a guy driving a NASCAR simulator.

There really can be no doubt that Fox is the propaganda arm of the right wing of the Republican Party, as intended by its creator Roger Ailes, a former media consultant for Republican presidents Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, and George H. W. Bush and Rudy Giuliani’s first mayoral campaign before he left organized politics. One can reasonably argue that this is healthy since the other main networks are liberal-leaning, but one cannot reasonably argue Fox is "fair and balanced".

A quick check this morning to the prominent fact checkers on Clinton's speech showed that most of the factual material he cited was true. The worst distortion was that medical costs increased only 4% a year under Obama. Like I pointed out in my statement in the RNC threat about using a literally true fact to make a dishonest argument, one can't really credit Obama with that since the economy was still declining over those years and of course medical cost increases were mild. Medical costs are less apt to manipulation by cartels like the oil companies and there was the BP disaster, too, allowing for the boost in gas prices at the pump.
Edited by duke09parent, Sep 6 2012, 09:39 AM.
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And ABC, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, PBS and CNN are propaganda arms of the socialist wing of the Democrat Party.
Edited by wingedwheel, Sep 6 2012, 09:35 AM.
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Sep 6 2012, 09:29 AM
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Sep 6 2012, 09:02 AM


"The gain in private employment in August is strong enough to suggest that the national unemployment rate may have declined," Joel Prakken, Macroeconomic Advisers chairman, said in a statement.

"Today's estimate, if matched by a similar reading on employment from the BLS (Bureau of Labor Statistics) on Friday, will alleviate concerns that the economy has slipped into a downturn," he said.



:think:

Stepping back to view it, that is not good news, but it will give the liberals a tingle.
So even tepid improvement to the economy while Obama is president is bad news? You're channeling Mitch McConnell and Brush Limbaugh there.

I liked Clinton's speech but as you know I'm mostly a Democrat. I checked out Fox News this morning but didn't turn it on until 7:10, after I toured the other networks, who were fawning over the speech. I skipped around stations a little but spent most of the rest of the hour on Fox, and I didn't see a mention the speech from 7:10 until 7:55. They were much more interested in the embarrassing ramrod of platform changes on God and Jerusalem as Israel's capital.

Fox did cover the speech at the top of the 8:00 hour by bringing on one of the least credible and biggest t.v. journalist apologists for Clinton's lies about sex, Giraldo Rivera, to discuss and argue with the hosts about the speech for about 5 minutes. You could almost hear a producer tell the hosts, that's enough of that crap, as they moved off the topic entirely. They went back to clips of the guy at the DNC platform taking a voice vote 3 times on the platform changes before he declared that 2/3 were in favor of the change (To me the volume of nays was about the same as the ayes), then to a guy driving a NASCAR simulator.

There really can be no doubt that Fox is the propaganda arm of the right wing of the Republican Party, as intended by its creator Roger Ailes, a former media consultant for Republican presidents Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, and George H. W. Bush and Rudy Giuliani’s first mayoral campaign before he left organized politics. One can reasonably argue that this is healthy since the other main networks are liberal-leaning, but one cannot reasonably argue Fox is "fair and balanced".
I'm disappointed that you have not engaged with us on the Fact Checking thread, DP09. It was you who questioned our Liestopping integrity and some of us worked hard to answer you with sincerity.

To, your next point, the Liberal bias in the major outlets dominated for so many years and so unfairly. Surely you saw that in the coverage of the Hoax. Where is the airing of the Wasserman Schultz video excoriating her lies? This is an important issue to many Americans. She is DECEIVING those people anout Obama's position on Jerusalem, Hamas, etc. This is fraud.

Where is the fact checking of Mrs Obama's speech and claims of poverty. Obama himself attended the most privileged private school in the state of Hawaii. His grandmother left them a sizable amount of money. They were able to buy a condo in Chicago worth over $200,000 shortly after graduating from expensive elite schools. Where was the "struggling" she described? Not every new grad can afford a new home if they are so "burdened. " Frankly, Romney got what he got with PRIVATe money..the Obamas have swanned through their entitlements provided by PUBLIC money. Can THEY? understand what a small business owner feels when he risks everything HE owns, his families security?

No one takes these lies to task. Yes, Michele and Clinton are powerful speakers. But a fair media would subject the body of those speeches to the same vigorous scrutiny that R speeches recieve.If Fox chooses not to pimp Dem propaganda that is unvetted on other networks, I have no issue with it.

If you make accusations, please have the courtesy to engage when we try to answer you with the same courtesy.

Edited by Joan Foster, Sep 6 2012, 10:03 AM.
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The GAO also confirm that the President does not have the right to change the rules about the work requirement, and they require the White House to submit a request to congress for permission prior to anything being allowed to take effect. 
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I would like for someone to explain to me how a young man with a Harvard law degree is left to drive an automobile with a rusted out bottom, dress shoes that are a size too small and dumpster dumps for a coffee table?
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