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Mark Steyn on John Edwards; "A Ravening Justice"
Topic Started: May 23 2012, 03:20 PM (1,850 Views)
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REPORT: John Edwards Has Been Flirting With A Female Juror At His Trial


ABC News is reporting that John Edwards has been repeatedly flirting with a female juror during his trial, a distraction that "has become so obvious that even Edwards' attorneys have to work to suppress their laughter at the absurdity of it all."

The juror (who is an alternate) is a young woman with jet-black hair. According to the report, "The juror clearly instigated the exchanges. She smiles at him. He smiles at her. She giggles. He blushes."

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Update: According to a tweet from Politico reporter Josh Gerstein, the judge at the John Edwards trial has cleared the courtroom of press and the public to discuss a "jury matter" that has come up.




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May 25 2012, 02:46 PM
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http://www.businessinsider.com/john-edwards-has-been-flirting-with-a-female-juror-at-his-trial-2012-5

REPORT: John Edwards Has Been Flirting With A Female Juror At His Trial


ABC News is reporting that John Edwards has been repeatedly flirting with a female juror during his trial, a distraction that "has become so obvious that even Edwards' attorneys have to work to suppress their laughter at the absurdity of it all."

The juror (who is an alternate) is a young woman with jet-black hair. According to the report, "The juror clearly instigated the exchanges. She smiles at him. He smiles at her. She giggles. He blushes."

(snip)

Update: According to a tweet from Politico reporter Josh Gerstein, the judge at the John Edwards trial has cleared the courtroom of press and the public to discuss a "jury matter" that has come up.




Dipstick picks an "alternate"? :think:
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May 24 2012, 07:13 AM
I am [not] a firm believer . . . that there is a righteous God who punishes those who transgress the laws of man and the Creator. . . . so Two America Johnny will [not] get what is coming to him for his sins against his wife, his family, and the citizenry of this country.
The two "not"s I have inserted above have made of your statement an assertion of the sort that has animated a good part of the philosophical wrangling of the past two-hundred years.. Some of its proponents have advanced it as a central component (or proximate cause) of what they have called "the tragic sense of life.". The debates it has generated are among the most stimulating, and depressing, I have ever encountered.. I mention it here only to make the point that those not inclined to believe in Judgment Day—in, that is, an eventual settling of accounts-- are often more outraged than you when evil persons elude punishment on this sorry ball.

I suspect I'm more saddened by my take on the case against Edwards than many here suppose.. Yes, you are right in saying "life is so difficult at times."
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My beliefs are more along the lines of "Take what you want, says God...and pay for it"...though one might substitute "Life" for the diety just as easily.

I think we often want recompense in ways like failure, ruin, etc. that define to most of us the appropriate damnation. But I believe people like Edwards pay in sublter ways. His oldest daughter may be in court with him, but we will he ever see again in her eyes that type of all encompassing admiration only a daughter can give her Dad? What about the daughter he denied..What penance lies ahead in her opinion of him? And all the family memories of thelife with Elizabeth are forever tainted by the circumstances in the year before her death. He can't hire lawyers to fix that.

Edwards no longer matters in the circles of power that matter most to him. Nothing that he ever did will be his legacy as much as this scandal. It will be in the first sentence of his obituary with a phrase or adjective like "disgraced."

People pay for their sins in this life..but the payment might be taxed as they lay awake at 2am...and the public is just unaware.
Edited by Joan Foster, May 26 2012, 10:22 AM.
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This thread is really getting DEEP! Does Johnny suffer from his actions or has he just missed out on why he should ...in this life?
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Joan Foster
May 26 2012, 10:16 AM
My beliefs are more along the lines of "Take what you want, says God...and pay for it"...though one might substitute "Life" for the diety just as easily.

I think we often want recompense in ways like failure, ruin, etc. that define to most of us the appropriate damnation. But I believe people like Edwards pay in sublter ways. His oldest daughter may be in court with him, but we will he ever see again in her eyes that type of all encompassing admiration only a daughter can give her Dad? What about the daughter he denied..What penance lies ahead in her opinion of him? And all the family memories of thelife with Elizabeth are forever tainted by the circumstances in the year before her death. He can't hire lawyers to fix that.

Edwards no longer matters in the circles of power that matter most to him. Nothing that he ever did will be his legacy as much as this scandal. It will be in the first sentence of his obituary with a phrase or adjective like "disgraced."

People pay for their sins in this life..but the payment might be taxed as they lay awake at 2am...and the public is just unaware.
So true, Joan. I have seen the pictures of his elderly parents follow him up the steps into the Court House and remember seeing the cameras beam on them when he stepped into the limelight at the Dem. Convention to accept the nomination for Vice President. How much humiliation they have suffered we will never know. As one who has lost both parents, I say with gratitude that I do not have to live with ever having brought reproach on them. I cannot help but feel pained for Edwards in this regard.
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May 26 2012, 10:16 AM
My beliefs are more along the lines of "Take what you want, says God...and pay for it"...though one might substitute "Life" for the diety just as easily.

I think we often want recompense in ways like failure, ruin, etc. that define to most of us the appropriate damnation. But I believe people like Edwards pay in sublter ways. His oldest daughter may be in court with him, but we will he ever see again in her eyes that type of all encompassing admiration only a daughter can give her Dad? What about the daughter he denied..What penance lies ahead in her opinion of him? And all the family memories of thelife with Elizabeth are forever tainted by the circumstances in the year before her death. He can't hire lawyers to fix that.

Edwards no longer matters in the circles of power that matter most to him. Nothing that he ever did will be his legacy as much as this scandal. It will be in the first sentence of his obituary with a phrase or adjective like "disgraced."

People pay for their sins in this life..but the payment might be taxed as they lay awake at 2am...and the public is just unaware.
Perhaps ....but then you ascribe to Edwards more of a conscience than I think that he possesses. For one, how could a man who supposedly cares so deeply for others not only cheat but continually lie to his wife (who was ill with a terminal disease)? How could he deny the paternity of his own child - on national television nonetheless? Bill Clinton, John Edwards, the Kennedy men, FDR - all cut from the same narcissistic bolt of cloth. One would like to think that they lie awake at night, thinking about those they have harmed and feeling some guilt - but if they did (or do) wouldn't you think that they would be actively engaged in righting the wrong that they did?

I do feel for his parents.......they must wonder where did this son in whom they saw such promise, go so terribly off kilter. My bet is that if anyone is awake at two am, tossing and turning, it is his parents, not he.

"Vengeance is mine" saith the Lord. Sometimes, it is hard to believe that those who have terribly wronged others will sufffer for their transgressions.

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I know a man who was once very prominent in our community. He sat on numerous prestigious Boards and was a highly respected professional. He has a very "low-key" wife, quiet and definitely not any competition for him in his Peacock days. I often heard people talk about how "lucky" she was. He has Two lovely daughters and no one has ever doubted his love for them.

He had a spectacular fall.

After several years in prison, and the loss of his medical license...he's back. I have seen him up at our Club a few times, having lunch with a couple other men. I remember how he could command the floor whenever he opened his mouth at a meeting...but I noticed how now people talk right over him now. He's just irrelevant. Likewise, the comment is often made (and it's accurate) how lucky HE is that his wife stood by him. She is now the admired one. And he cannot help but know that, sadly, he has brought shame to the lives of his daughters.

Remember Nifong crying that he hoped his son still admired him? I don't know that it is "conscience" that brings these men to their knees...but the loss of power, the loss of status...and if there is anyone they do love, the burden their sins bring to those lives.

Edited by Joan Foster, May 26 2012, 04:47 PM.
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Y'all are gonna think bad about me, but I have to bring into this discussion the very significant inheritance that John Edward's children may be thinking about. That may - I emphasize MAY - be a factor in their public loyalty to their father.

I can't help bringing this up - I AM the group's cynic.

What is Edward's net worth?
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May 26 2012, 05:06 PM
Y'all are gonna think bad about me, but I have to bring into this discussion the very significant inheritance that John Edward's children may be thinking about. That may - I emphasize MAY - be a factor in their public loyalty to their father.

I can't help bringing this up - I AM the group's cynic.

What is Edward's net worth?
I thought their mother had the big money and left it in a trust administered by her daughter, much older than Johnie's children.
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He made a pile of money "channeling" the victims in the cases of which he was a part. It could be that EE took him to the cleaners in the divorce and of course, he is paying support for his love child - which I bet is costing him a pretty penny. It could very well be that his funds have diminshed greatly - I am sure that his legal counsel does not come at a cheap price.

That being said, it could be abb is on to something about the reason for the loyalty. It might also be that she does not want to be spending the next ten years raising her younger siblings - when she might be looking to have children of her own. After all, raising teenagers is no picnic - even the best teenagers with little to no baggage.
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Cate, the older daughter is John and Elizabeth's child. The was a brother, Wade, who died in high school. The two younger children appeared just in time for the campaigns for the Senate and the Presidency.

Elizabeth did get quite a settlement in the divorce.
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May 26 2012, 06:32 PM
Cate, the older daughter is John and Elizabeth's child. The was a brother, Wade, who died in high school. The two younger children appeared just in time for the campaigns for the Senate and the Presidency.

Elizabeth did get quite a settlement in the divorce.
North Carolina is NOT a community property state. I'm sure Elizabeth got "some" money, but not half.
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Maybe not, but I remember the reports were that she got a "sizable" settlement.
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I may have been wrong. There was not a divorce. She died before it could be made.

Her estate was listed as 1.3 million.

When there was talk of divorce, John was said to be worth 53 million. But at her death his worth was reported as 23 million.

I used Google to find this information, so take this for what it is worth.
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