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Global Warming Part II; Climategate 2.0
Topic Started: Nov 30 2011, 05:15 PM (11,546 Views)
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Rising Carbon Dioxide Levels Aided End Of Ice Age


CO2 'drove end to last ice age'


Carbon dioxide helped end last ice age -U.S. researchers


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I've read more than a half dozen articles on this topic. Most all are full of "maybe, might, possible", sometimes a couple like that in the same sentences!

The end result of all of them with a fuller description of the actual work involved is that the ice melt started because the planet 'wobbled'. Its a given CO2 increases as temperatures rise and ice trapping it melts.

Not sure what consideration was given there. The headlines often make it look like they solved the mystery, no more debate, CO2 did it all by itself!
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Fracking Boom Has U.S. Cutting Climate Warming Emissions

The boom in American natural-gas production is doing what international negotiations and legislation couldn't: reducing U.S. carbon-dioxide pollution.

With decade-low prices, natural gas is easing out coal in power generation, a change that cuts greenhouse gases by half at the smokestack. That shift, combined with state programs to encourage renewable energy and new rules from the Environmental Protection Agency that could come as early as today, has put the country on course to cut domestic greenhouse-gas emissions 12 percent by 2020, on par with what the failed cap-and-trade legislation aimed to achieve, said Dallas Burtraw, a fellow at Resources for the Future in Washington.

“Given the politics of climate policy, it's easy to get discouraged," Kevin Kennedy, the head of the U.S. climate initiative at the World Resources Institute in Washington, said in an interview. "But a lot of good progress has been made."

Carbon emissions from energy in the U.S., the largest source after China, probably will stay below the record level of 6 billion metric tons set in 2007 for the next 23 years, the U.S. Energy Information Administration predicted Jan. 23, the first time it forecast a long-term reduction.

The story in the U.S. is in contrast to China, India, Mexico and Russia, where demand for carbon-dependent cars and electricity is surging, leaving the planet on a course for unsustainable warming, according to a report by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology’s Global Change Program....snipped

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-27/fracking-boom-has-u-s-cutting-climate-warming-emissions.html
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49 Former NASA Scientists Send A Letter Disputing Climate Change

http://www.businessinsider.com/nasa-scientists-dispute-climate-change-2012-4

Some prominent voices at NASA are fed up with the agency's activist stance toward climate change.

49 former NASA scientists and astronauts sent the following letter asking the agency to move away from climate models and to limit its stance to what can be empirically proven.
The letter criticizes the Goddard Institute For Space Studies especially, where director Jim Hansen and climatologist Gavin Schmidt have been outspoken advocates for action.

The press release with attached letter is below.

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Climate Alarmist Calls For Burning Down Skeptics’ Homes


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Introducing the $60 Light Bulb

The Associated Press reports that the Phillips LED light bulb that won the government’s L Prize—a $10 million contest to replace the traditional incandescent bulb—will go on sale as of Earth Day with a full retail price of $60. Yes, that’s $60 per bulb, not $60 for an entire house full of bulbs.

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Good job, Barry! That solution only cost us $10 million!
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It's easy to win when you are the only entrant...
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MILLOY: Did Obama’s EPA relaunch Tuskegee experiments?

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Ms. Jackson testified in September before the House Energy and Commerce Committee, “Particulate matter causes premature death. It doesn’t make you sick. It’s directly causal to dying sooner than you should.” Just to clarify what Ms. Jackson meant by “sooner than you should,” deaths allegedly caused by PM2.5 are supposed to occur within a day or so of exposure.

Got that? Airborne dust and soot don’t make you sick, they just kill you - virtually upon exposure.

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That “sooner than you should” does not mean "they just kill you - virtually upon exposure."

This article has some junk science that is good to expose (if accurate), but the claim I noted takes it to such extremes that it just wastes the opportunity and makes one question what the facts are, IMO.

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Senate Dem: Save the US Postal Service with Wind Farms

4/25/2012 | FOXNATION.COM

As the potential collapse of the United States Postal Service looms on the horizon, one Senate Democrat has proposed an unusual plan to solve the crisis.

Senator Tom Carper (D-DE) looks to harvest the electricity that windmill farms produce in order to power a new fleet of battery-operated postal delivery vehicles, replacing the previous '25 to 30 years old' 'dilapidated' vehicles.

The Senator admits the idea is “out there” but concludes that "we need to be thinking boldly, and the postal service needs to do that"


...and rename it the Postal Service of Spain

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Virginia ruling aids Alaska climate suit
Energy firm denied liability protection

The Virginia Supreme Court has handed down an unprecedented ruling on companies’ liability for global warming-related damages — a first-in-the-nation decision that could portend massive consequences for energy companies and environmental lawyers.

The ruling stems from an ongoing case in federal court, in which the Alaskan island town of Kivalina accused a handful of mostly U.S. energy companies of contributing to global warming, which it says has rendered the town uninhabitable. One of the energy companies named in the lawsuit, Arlington-based AES Corp., was then sued in Virginia by its insurance carrier, which objected to having to defend the company and possibly pay damages associated with global warming as part of a policy covering accidents.

“In this instance, the allegations of negligence do not support a claim of an accident,” Justice S. Bernard Goodwyn wrote in a 16-page opinion issued on April 20.

....“Decades of releasing greenhouse gases into the atmosphere just doesn’t qualify as an accident,” [the judge] said.


....Kivalina dedicates 16 pages of its 69-page complaint to explaining global warming, while also charging a “civil conspiracy by power, coal and oil companies to mislead the public about the science of global warming....”


The article is about a ruling that excuses an insurance company from being held liable for any judgment that the oil company they insure would face. The idea as I get it is that the slow accumulation of CO2 the oil companies are blamed for producing is not an “accident” covered.

The town that is still going after the oil companies is now “uninhabitable” because the temperature rise melts the ice that used to surround 3 sides of the island for 3 of the 4 seasons, blocking the waves from damaging the island.

On that ruling, it seems to tell us that the responsibility for the CO2 would be one helluva math problem to conquer in order to determine WHO would OWE damages and HOW much they are responsible for creating …after they also conquer the task of proving CO2 created the problem …or a percentage of it anyway, which adds to that math equation!

The reason this article grabbed my attention is due to the “16 pages of its 69-page complaint to explaining global warming” (link to complaint). It starts about half way down the page, under the “IV. GLOBAL WARMING” section on page 31.

I’ve yet to set aside time to read it. I’m interested to see what empirical conclusions they cite, if any(!), or if they’re building parts and pieces of multiple theories to compound into a consensus that could give them that check made out to “More Likely”.

Another thought; if the courts were to go with a judgment against the oil companies, would not all companies that have purchased Carbon Credits have already admitted to just how much they owe for their participation in the trillions of dollars in damages we’d see shutting down the worlds economy?
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Large Wind Farms Increase Temperatures Near Ground
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Large Wind Farms Increase Temperatures Near Ground


Here's one from the UK Telegraph:

Wind farms can cause climate change, finds new study
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/9234715/Wind-farms-can-cause-climate-change-finds-new-study.html
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http://michellemalkin.com/2012/04/29/fox-sports-analyst-does-al-gore-a-solid-during-mlb-broadcast/

“It has not been proven, but I think ultimately it will be proven that the air is thinner now, there have been climactic changes over the last 50 years in the world, and I think that’s one of the reasons balls are carrying much better now than I remember,” McCarver said during Saturday’s game between the Milwaukee Brewers and the St. Louis Cardinals.

He then commented about some recent shots that went further than he would have expected leading his co-announcer Joe Buck to marvelously ask, “So that’s your ‘inconvenient truth’ about Major League Baseball?”

“Well,” the former catcher responded, “I think they’re going to find that out one of these days, yes I do.”

“That’s a theory,” he continued, “but we’ll see.”
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Energy Transfer Partners (ETP) to buy Sunoco for $5.3bn


It looks like ETP is thinking PIPELINE.
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Apr 30 2012, 10:15 AM
Energy Transfer Partners (ETP) to buy Sunoco for $5.3bn


It looks like ETP is thinking PIPELINE.
Glad to see one of the last and original American oil companies stay in American hands.
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Apr 30 2012, 11:12 AM
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Apr 30 2012, 10:15 AM
Energy Transfer Partners (ETP) to buy Sunoco for $5.3bn


It looks like ETP is thinking PIPELINE.
Glad to see one of the last and original American oil companies stay in American hands.
Some history:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunoco

History
1800s to 1900s: founding and growth

The integrated oil company now known as Sunoco began as The Peoples Natural Gas Company in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. In 1886, its partners – Joseph Newton Pew, Philip Pisano and Edward O. Emerson – decided to expand their gas business with a stake in the new oil discoveries in Ohio and Pennsylvania. Four years later, the growing enterprise became the Sun Oil Company of Ohio. Sun Oil diversified quickly, active in production and distribution of oil as well as processing and marketing refined products. By 1901, the company was incorporated in New Jersey as Sun Company and turned its interest to the new Spindletop field in Texas. Pew's sons, J. Howard Pew and Joseph N. Pew, Jr. would take over the company after their father's death.

With a growing portfolio of oil fields and refineries in hand, Sun opened its first service station in Ardmore, Pennsylvania in 1920. The name changed back to Sun Oil Company in 1922 and, in 1925, Sun became a publicly traded company on the New York Stock Exchange. Following World War II, Sun expanded internationally. Its first Canadian refinery was built in 1953 in Sarnia, Ontario, home to a burgeoning new petrochemical industry. Sun established a facility at Venezuela's Lake Maracaibo in 1957, which produced over a billion barrels (160,000,000 m³) before the operation was nationalized in 1975.

Custom blending

Sunoco is perhaps best known to consumers for its "custom blending" pumps, an innovation that, beginning in 1956, allowed customers of Sunoco service stations to choose from several octane grades through a single pump. Sunoco stations offered as many as eight grades of "Custom Blended" gasolines from its "Dial A Grade" pumps ranging from subregular Sunoco 190 to Sunoco 260, the latter a super-premium grade of 102 octane that was advertised as the "highest octane pump gas" and very popular with the 400 horsepower V8(299 kW) muscle cars of the 1960s.
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