| Penn State/Sandusky - Syracuse/Fine; Coverup | |
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| Topic Started: Nov 6 2011, 07:57 PM (39,735 Views) | |
| abb | Nov 7 2011, 09:03 AM Post #31 |
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Which politicians? The ones who run Penn State and the athletic program, or the politicians in Harrisburg? |
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| genny6348 | Nov 7 2011, 11:10 AM Post #32 |
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Hubby's family bleeds blue/white. They are grief stricken. The news media here is no better than anywhere else and reporting may or may not be accurate. I believe JoePa's statement. But. after the handling of the Michael Mann 'investigation' by PSU, I don't hold out much hope for this having been thoroughly investigated by the administration at the time it happened, though. |
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| Baldo | Nov 7 2011, 11:32 AM Post #33 |
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Of course we have to be careful and those who are the authorities in Happy Valley must run a through & honest investigation. We have seen what a rush to judgement has caused in too many cases. The Grand Jury isn't the final authority but those are damning findings with 8 victims listed. One wonders how many others might come forward with this becoming public? Penn State is in a horrible situation. Right now the Board of Trustees need to hire an outside, impartial, and thoroughly impartial person of honor to investigate and make recommendations to them of how they should act. The time to circle the wagons are long gone. It's time to do the right thing, finally! |
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| abb | Nov 7 2011, 11:40 AM Post #34 |
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The case WAS investigated by Gricar, and I suspect he figured out the score pretty quick. He knew as a little pissant DA, that going up against the Penn State football program wasn't going to be fun. Phone calls were made. Pressure was brought to bear to convince Gricar to make it go away. He chose the easy way out and either disappeared or killed himself, AFTER destroying his hard drive. |
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| Baldo | Nov 7 2011, 11:51 AM Post #35 |
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I am a bit of an amateur historian when it comes to college football. I also have access to those who are actual published authors or were in positions of power in that world. This is going to rock that world to the core. Recently I visited the internment site of A.A. Stagg, one of the real legends in Coaching. The only person to be inducted as a player & coach in the College Football Hall of Fame & in the College Basketball Hall of Fame. He was a Man of Integrity who put the formation of Character above winning. He was once asked after a season what kind of a coaching job he did. His answer; "Come back in 25 years and see how my boys are doing!" |
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| genny6348 | Nov 7 2011, 12:04 PM Post #36 |
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You really think that Gricar's disappearance is related to this case? |
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| abb | Nov 7 2011, 12:25 PM Post #37 |
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The timelines sure do coincide. |
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| abb | Nov 7 2011, 12:26 PM Post #38 |
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http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/former_centre_county_da_ray_g.html Former Centre County DA Ray Gricar's reasons for not pursuing case against Jerry Sandusky are unknown Published: Sunday, November 06, 2011, 10:09 AM SARA GANIM, The Patriot-News By SARA GANIM, The Patriot-News Prosecutor Ray Gricar wasn’t one to be intimidated by high-profile cases. He didn’t dabble in politics or enjoy limelight. Ray GricarView full sizeAP Photo/Centre Daily Times, Nabil K. Mark, 2005Former Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar Gricar, who went missing in 2005 and declared dead in July, was an introverted man who affiliated himself with few and wasn’t easily swayed by others. “He was a very kind of private but independent guy,” said Bob Buehner, the Montour County district attorney. “He didn’t belong to a lot of organizations. I would say he was fiercely independent.” That’s actually been one major roadblock for investigators in his missing-persons case: It’s hard to get inside his head. The state attorney general’s office says Gricar is the one who made the decision not to prosecute Jerry Sandusky in 1998, when two kids reported that Sandusky washed them during a shower. Gricar was also the county’s top prosecutor when many of the other inappropriate acts were alleged to have happened. But before the allegations brought by a boy in Clinton County in 2009, the 23-page grand jury presentment says police were only ever notified once: in 1998. According to those who were present during that investigation, Gricar seemed to be the one who made the decision not to prosecute. We’ll probably never know why. Gricar disappeared April 15, 2005, after taking a day off work to drive to Lewisburg. His disappearance has been the subject of a lot of speculation. His laptop hard drive, which was found dumped in the Susquehanna River near where his car was parked in Lewisburg, was too badly damaged by water to be read. What information on that computer was destroyed is left to conjecture. Jerry Sandusky arraignment Enlarge ANDY COLWELL, The Patriot-News Former Penn State coaching legend Jerry Sandusky is arraigned on sex abuse charges Saturday, Nov. 5 in State College, Pa. Jerry Sandusky arraignment gallery (11 photos) A member of law enforcement who was in the room with Gricar when police presented him with the 1998 allegations against Sandusky said Gricar led the investigation. He tried to get information by having officers hide in the home of one of the victims as the mother confronted Sandusky. But that source said he isn’t sure how Gricar came to his final decision not to prosecute the case. Jerry Lauro, the investigator for the state Department of Welfare is mentioned in the grand-jury presentment as having interviewed Sandusky, along with now-retired Penn State police Officer Ron Schreffler. The presentment says Sandusky admitted to showering naked with the victim and admitted it was wrong. “I had no decision-making authority or power in any of these cases,” Lauro said, when contacted Saturday. “They are left up to the district attorney to decide. In all of the hundreds of cases that I ran, I never let anyone influence me.” Schreffler declined to comment. Gricar pursued several controversial football player cases, the prosecutions of students involved in the 2001 downtown State College riot. Steve Sloane, an assistant prosecutor in his office, handled most of those cases, and is known as one of Gricar’s closest work confidants. “He wasn’t media savvy,” Sloane said. “He didn’t read local papers and follow local gossip. It wouldn’t have mattered if it was Joe Paterno or a 10-repeat felon. He would treat them the same way if they were legit suspected of committing crimes.” But he wasn’t a rash prosecutor, either, Buehner said. “I would say this about Ray: He would be extremely cautious in proceeding because he wanted to make sure that there would be a reasonable likelihood of conviction. You don’t want to go after someone high profile unless you have a compelling case.” There’s no indication that Gricar was notified in 2002, when a graduate assistant reported to head coach Joe Paterno that he witnessed Sandusky and a young boy engaged in a sex act in the shower of the Lasch Building the day before Spring Break. That’s the case in which the grand-jury panel found that Athletic Director Tim Curley and top executive Gary Schultz should have reported to police, but didn’t, according to the indictment from the state attorney general. Under law, certain educational leaders are required to report possible sex abuse. By then, however, the 1998 report that was labeled “unfounded” because Gricar decided not to press charges, and would have been expunged. State law requires Children and Youth Services to delete all notes after one year and four months. First Assistant District Attorney Mark Smith, who is still with that office, took over Gricar’s position for eight months following the disappearance until an election was held. Smith said he doesn’t recall anything being brought to his attention about allegations against Sandusky. The next district attorney to be elected in Centre County was Michael Madeira, and there’s no indication he knew about the older reports, either. He is the prosecutor who referred the most recent case — in Clinton County — to the attorney general soon after it was reported early in 2009. Madeira gave the case up, citing a conflict of interest. By the time his successor, current District Attorney Stacy Parks Miller, took office, the attorney general’s office had been working the case for an entire year and a grand jury already was hearing testimony. |
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| abb | Nov 7 2011, 01:14 PM Post #39 |
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presser on ESPN now. |
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| agatha | Nov 7 2011, 01:39 PM Post #40 |
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Oh abb..it is about as rough as it gets. I haven't had time to read the details. I will do that later tonight or tomorrow. The young boys are THE most important part of this sad story. If it is true, well my suggestions as to what to do with Sandusky do not reflect our justice system. I will find the answers tonight, but I am especially interested in the following questions. If this was buried in the food chain, how did it come to the attention of the authorities? When the assistant coach witnessed what he reported to Paterno, did he step in? Did anyone confront Sandusky? I am trying to keep an open mind, there is the possibility Sandusky is innocent of these charges. I have never been a Penn State fan, but I have always liked Paterno. I cannot express the revulsion I would feel if it turns out (as reported) he told, he moved on. |
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| abb | Nov 7 2011, 03:29 PM Post #41 |
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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2011/11/penn-state-officials-surrender-in-sandusky-sex-abuse-case.html Penn State officials surrender amid Sandusky sex-abuse allegations http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2011/11/07/penn_state_sexual_abuse_scandal_former_football_coach_charged_with_40_counts_of_sexual_abuse_of_boys_.html Prosecutors: Penn State Sexual Abuse Case Could Grow http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/08/sports/ncaafootball/penn-states-paterno-is-not-a-target-in-sexual-abuse-inquiry.html?_r=1&hp Paterno Is Not a Target in Sexual Abuse Inquiry |
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| Baldo | Nov 7 2011, 05:09 PM Post #42 |
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Good questions. Here is part of the answer from Victim 1 - Grand Jury Findings ...Steven Turchetta testified that he was an assistant principal and the head football coach at the high school attended by Victim 1. He testified that Sandusky was a volunteer assistant football coach. Sandusky also worked with children in the Second Mile program in that school district. Turchetta described the Second Mile as a very large charitable organization that helped children who are from economically underprivileged backgrounds and who may be living in single parent households. Turchetta first met Sandusky in 2002 when Sandusky attempted to assist some Second Mile members who were on Turchetta's football team. Sandusky's involvement grew from there. In the 2008 season, Sandusky was a full-time volunteer coach. Turchetta said it was not unusual for him, as assistant principal, to call a Second Mile student out of activity period at the end of the day, at Sandusky's request, to see Sandusky. He knew of several students who were left alone with Sandusky, including Victim 1. Turchetta characterized Sandusky as very controlling within the mentoring relationships he established with Second Mile students. Sandusky would often want a greater time commitment than the teenagers were willing to give and Sandusky would have "shouting matches" with various youths, in which Turchetta would sometimes be the mediator. Turchetta would also end up being Sandusky's point of contact for a youth whom he had been unable to reach by phone the previous evening. Turchetta testified that Sandusky would be "clingy" and even "needy" when a young man broke off the relationship he had established with him and called the behavior "suspicious." Turchetta became aware of Victim 1's allegations regarding sexual assault by Sandusky when the boy's mother called the school to report it. Sandusky was barred from the school district attended by Victim 1 from that day forward and the matter was reported to authorities as mandated by law....snipped If only Penn State had done the same in 1998 & 2002. If these accusations are true it was probably happening for years. Edited by Baldo, Nov 7 2011, 05:10 PM.
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| abb | Nov 7 2011, 05:17 PM Post #43 |
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Not to minimize this very serious situation and the tragedy (if the allegations are true) of the boys, I still say the news story is how such an extensive coverup was maintained. It will be absolutely amazing to see, once it is all brought to light. I say this as a student of how bureaucracies, government, and the media work. Remember how we all just couldn't believe Nifong and his cohorts did what they did back in the late spring of 2006. But they did and its up to us to make them pay for it. Child molestation is not new. Unfortunately, it will continue to happen when we all are long gone. |
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| Baldo | Nov 7 2011, 05:37 PM Post #44 |
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I agree. The correct action was quite simple. McQueary saw what he thought was a crime being committed. McQueary was a member of Paterno's staff and reported it to him. Joe Pa should have told him to go to Campus Police and report it. Joe Pa also should have filed a report to the Police and informed the AD. I understand McQueary's dilemma. IMHO I hope if I would have seen that I would have gone into that shower & stopped it. But that is easy in retrospect to say. |
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| kbp | Nov 7 2011, 06:36 PM Post #45 |
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ARTICLE: "In his eighth season on the staff, Mike McQueary coaches..." Baldo: "First of all that really isn't an intern, he was a Graduate Asst coaching on the football team." I get a little lost as to who should have reported it to the police. If McQueary is a teacher, maybe he should have. If Joe was the employee above a student intern, maybe he should have. If the rule on reporting does not apply to those who are not in charge of the child, maybe none of them should have ...of course that "should have", the way I used it, has nothing to do with our moral obligations. Joe comes across as not knowing enough details to be responsible, but he evidently knew someone should look into it. |
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