| 9-11 - Ten Years Ago; 11th year update - Now 14 years | |
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| Deleted User | Sep 11 2011, 07:38 PM Post #76 |
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It was 9 AM on that fateful day. I was alone. A friend called and asked if I had my television on. I rarely had it on in the morning. He just said. "You might want to turn it on. Something bad is happening". I left my desk and turned on the TV and sat with the strangest of emotions of confusion, horror, puzzlement... until the plane hit the second tower. And then we all knew it was no accident. I have never felt so alone. I was a new widow. My mother had just been placed in a nursing home, my youngest gone to college, my son moved across the country, and I felt totally isolated and fearful and alone. Our home was on the corridor which planes took to our regional airport. From that morning on for many days, the skies were silent. In fact, it felt as if the whole city was virtually silent. Ribbons of remembrance showed up in the trees. Flags flew at half mast. People spoke in hushed tones even in the grocery store. We hugged each other, even strangers in the stores. We called each other... just to hear each others' voices and say we loved them. And we waited. For leadership. For explanation. For reassurance. And we didn't have to wait long, because the man whom God had chosen to be the President of the United States for that moment in history stepped up to the plate and served his nation. Whatever may be said about George Bush, when time and history judge him, the one thing any honest person will have to say, is that he gave us back hope, and courage, and resolve, and did not let us run and hide or whine. He did that because he had it within him to do. He didn't have to have a speech writer or a teleprompter because he had it within. I will forever be grateful for the men and women of extraordinary courage and wisdom who stabilized our shaking knees and hearts during those early weeks. |
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| comelately | Sep 11 2011, 10:49 PM Post #77 |
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Obviously, George Bush is a decent man. But I do not think he was the right man for the moment. Many people (myself included) did not need reassurance: we wanted action - and I think we were right. As Curtis LeMay famously observed, "If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting". Bush is (and was) a good man - but we needed a LeMay. According to an excellent Polish saying, a debt is much improved by repayment. So far, we have been delinquent... |
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| LTC8K6 | Sep 11 2011, 11:16 PM Post #78 |
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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/09/gaffetastic-at-9-11-tribute-obama-thinks-bow-and-spear-means-to-bend-at-the-waist-video/ |
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| Baldo | Sep 12 2011, 01:09 AM Post #79 |
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Michael Savage from Sept 11, 2001 http://www.michaelsavage.wnd.com/files/2011/09/090911SAV911SEG01.mp3 |
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| Deleted User | Sep 12 2011, 01:13 AM Post #80 |
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I think we all yearned for action. BUt whose azzz were we going to kick? Our intelligence gathering had been very inadequate. We "suspected" who hit us and where it came from... but what do you go do.... drop bombs on them before you even know who to drop them on? What action would you have advocated? When? I don't know how the man could have done it different, except I wish he had not waited for the world "community" to approve dismantling Sadaam. I believe with all my heart that the WMDs were THERE. But we gave them plenty of time to dismantle them or move them across the border. We may yet be on the receiving end of some of them. But given the time and the conditions, and the screwed up intelligence he was being fed, what action would have been prudent? |
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| Baldo | Sep 12 2011, 01:25 AM Post #81 |
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I close out my comments on this day with music from the Great Richard Rodgers Guadalcanal March http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhqaPumDBSo Never forget that our fathers fought a war where we as a country were losing as many as 3,000 men a week. We won! |
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| foxglove | Sep 12 2011, 01:06 PM Post #82 |
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Going out on a limb here, but, I suppose, in the interest of being thorough about 9-11, some of the claims of the truthers can be looked at. The truthers compise more than the Rosie O'Donnell types. For example, there is video on the Remember Building 7 website: http://rememberbuilding7.org There is a group of architects and engineers, headed by Richard Gage, who dispute the official findings of the building collapses. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO2yT0uBQbM A clever, satirical look is in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98&feature=channel_video_title This video claims that the area of the Pentagon that was hit on 9-11 was were the auditors were who were tracking down the trillions of dollars that Donald Rumsfeld said was unaccounted for the day before. I'm not saying any of these things are beyond dispute or worth consideration, but some people are concerned there is more here than the official story tells. Edited by foxglove, Sep 12 2011, 01:17 PM.
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| Baldo | Sep 12 2011, 01:56 PM Post #83 |
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I am certainly open to listening to anyone's opinions. However I can see. I saw 2 large jet airliners fly directly in the WTC. Those explosions and the resulting fire damage spread out to other building, especially when the collapse happen with its massive shock wave and destructive force. One account I read yesterday was one person who survived the collapse was at the bottom of the WTC and was blown by the shock wave, not debris, across the street. I find the truthers a bit ludicrous. In order to bring down WTC 7 or the Twin Towers by placed explosive charges would have required weeks of pre-demolition, electrical wiring , and placement of explosive charges. It simply could not have been hidden from thousands. Who thinks our govt is that smart to pull off this big of a scam in secrecy? That is the trouble with conspiracy theories. They conveniently leave out the pre-planing and logistics details to accomplish a mission. For that reason most conspiracies have to be a small group. Sadly 19 hijackers taking over 4 airliners was an amazing logistical feat. It speaks loudly about their planning and our lack of awareness. There are legitimate discussions to be held about the failures of 911, but at this time I doubt we have the time & distance to discuss them publicly. The delay in abandoning the buildings, the decision to send fireman(who bravely accepted those orders) up the stairs carrying 60 extra pounds of gear are among them. Thousands of our fellow citizens acted bravely that day and lost their lives. Edited by Baldo, Sep 12 2011, 02:42 PM.
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| LTC8K6 | Sep 12 2011, 02:14 PM Post #84 |
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This is essentially claiming that flight 77 did not hit the pentagon...so it should be a non-starter to all reasonable and objective people. There is no point in addressing claims which have zero evidence, imo. Such as the persistent spouting of the words "controlled demolition". The mountains of evidence supporting the conventional explanation for the 9/11/01 terrorist attacks cannot be dismissed. Building 7 was heavily damaged. If the owners decided to demolish it, no one would have questioned them. The building was going to be demolished in any case. It was too badly damaged to be left standing. There was no reason to hide a demolition order. It was coming anyway, even if the building had somehow managed to stay standing. Let me be very clear. There is no doubt whatsoever to anyone who is fair and takes the time to look, that WTC7 was very heavily damaged and was already a total loss before it pancaked. Had it stayed up somehow, they would have torn it down. http://www.debunking911.com/WTC7.htm |
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| foxglove | Sep 15 2011, 07:03 AM Post #85 |
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The past few nights I have been looking back at youtube videos of 9-11 news coverage and the statements of first responders and eye witnesses. These interviews were taken at the scene on that day. There were many videos of people claiming secondary explosions including firefighters who experienced an explosion in the lobby of one of the towers while they were assembling to try to aid trapped people. The firefighters who escaped talk about one such blast which occurred after the tower was already hit and on fire, many floors up. The interview is below: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPhTJjXyLpU The man in the next video below talks about his experiences including working in the basement of one of the towers and experiencing an explosion at the elevator in the basement. Did jet fuel leak down the elevator shaft and cause the explosion? If so, the gentleman did not say he smelled fuel. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0_Ns2ShYKc&feature=related There may be explanations for why so many people heard and described the explosions as secondary explosions-- could some of the explosions have been planted bombs? Building 7, which apparently was not mentioned in the official investigation report, was heavily damaged according to someone rescued from the building, Barry Jennings, who reported hearing an explosion when he and Michael Hess (who was the city Corporation Counsel at the time), tried to make it down the stairs. The explosion caused him and Hess to go back to the 8th floor and he was rescued several hours later. So, explosions in building 7? He also claimed to have felt like he was walking over dead bodies in the lobby on his way out. Building 7 was more of a mess than I had realized if Jennings' account is accurate. This next video clip shows there was prior knowledge that building 7 was going to come down. A heavily damaged building should probably be brought down but how, in the few hours since it became damaged, was it brought down? Did it fall down on its own from the damage? BBC is reporting and the anchor announces twice that the Solomon Building -- which I understand to be Building 7-- has come down, yet the backgound for the on-site reporter, Jane Standley, clearly shows the building as still standing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mxFRigYD3s&feature=related Edited by foxglove, Sep 15 2011, 07:18 AM.
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| LTC8K6 | Sep 15 2011, 08:02 AM Post #86 |
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BBC reporters can't identify the buildings correctly in the confusion, so it's a conspiracy? A conspiracy to demolish a building that was going to have to be demolished anyway? There are all sorts of things in a high rise building that could explode, or could make a sound like an explosion. Lots of things might have been "exploding" in the buildings from the heat and fire, or even large electrical shorts. Tanks of all sorts, maintenance supplies and chemicals of all sorts, anything stored in closed cans, batteries, fire extingushers, etc. Even a water tank can produce a spectacular steam explosion when heated too much. Yes, fuel vapors could have managed to get trapped in an enclosed space, and then subsequently exploded. Being in an enclosed space, it's unlikely that anyone outside the space would have smelled the kerosene vapors, and anyone inside the space would not be around to tell us about the smell. Eyewitnesses are notoriously inaccurate, as any member of this site should know. Doubly so when in a very stressful situation. I would think a survivor from one of the buildings that day would have been under quite a strain. |
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| LTC8K6 | Sep 15 2011, 08:11 AM Post #87 |
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WTC7 burning merrily on many floors. Note particularly the lower floors fire coverage. Major damage visible, including the large hole mentioned by firefighters. You can see a "slot" missing from the building. ![]() World Trade Center Building 7 (WTC 7) appears to have suffered significant damage at some point after the Twin Towers collapsed, according to some firefighters at the scene. Firefighter Butch Brandies tells other firefighters that nobody is to go into Building 7 because of creaking and noises coming out of there. [Firehouse Magazine, 9/9/2002] According to Deputy Chief Peter Hayden, there is a bulge in the southwest corner of the building between floors 10 and 13. [Firehouse Magazine, 9/2/2002] Battalion Chief John Norman will later recall, “At the edge of the south face you could see that it was very heavily damaged.” [Firehouse Magazine, 9/2/2002] Deputy Chief Nick Visconti also later recalls, “A big chunk of the lower floors had been taken out on the Vesey Street side.” [Firehouse Magazine, 9/9/2002] Captain Chris Boyle will recall, “On the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors.” [Firehouse Magazine, 9/9/2002] Edited by LTC8K6, Sep 15 2011, 08:25 AM.
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| kbp | Sep 15 2011, 08:46 AM Post #88 |
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I watched few of the videos showing what looked like explosions in line, top to bottom, just before it went down. My first thought was that the damaged structure, like all built, was designed to carry or transfer pressures from one point to another that carried the load. The structure, finally giving in at one location which was carrying a great deal of the load, went down like dominoes or a house of cards, as you’d expect it to after something gave out. I’d also expect the parts of the structure giving out, be it steel or concrete, to look like explosions. The 2 main buildings demonstrated that rather well when they went down. |
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| LTC8K6 | Sep 15 2011, 11:37 AM Post #89 |
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Yes, that's what happens in a pancake. The columns "explode" from the great weight that drops on them suddenly when the floor above fails. |
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| comelately | Sep 15 2011, 07:24 PM Post #90 |
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I think it is a mistake to dignify the claims of the so-called "truthers" with a discussion or rebuttal. One can not respond to every piece of paranoid leftist baloney - it just encourages the paranoids. Every honest person knows what happened on 9/11 - though (obviously) certain details might be obscure. And (of course) most "truthers" do not believe their own propaganda - they are crooks more than anything else. Edited by comelately, Sep 15 2011, 07:24 PM.
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