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| Topic Started: Jul 16 2008, 12:50 AM (2,837 Views) | |
| Bill Anderson | Jul 16 2008, 10:46 AM Post #16 |
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My point was that Cash tends to reflect what the NAACP leaders and other like them believe, or at least want the rest of us to believe. Not one person from the black community stood up for Elmo despite the fact that this was a criminal railroad job from the start. The NAACP has a lot of political power in North Carolina, and when a "civil rights" organization -- and its supporters in the media -- implicitly endorses the abuse of power by the state against a person of color just so the government can railroad innocent people into prison, then I am going to say that bad people have a lot of political influence in North Carolina. People who would do this are not good people; good people do not try to railroad knowingly innocent people into prison. 
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| Baldo | Jul 16 2008, 11:56 AM Post #17 |
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Dear Ruth A few weeks ago, I used speculation about Elmo's treatment (he's being harassed! his reputation tarnished!) to poke a little fun at the bloggers in the black-helicopter-infested skies of cyberspace. But darn if this isn't another case where the bloggers, with all their paranoid conspiracy theories, just might be right, however hysterical their tone. Ruth Sheehan - August 31, 2006 http://www.newsobserver.com/138/story/480871.html I guess those Blog Hooligans flying around in their Black helicopters weren't so dumb? Now we have an innocent declaration, massive settlement by Duke, depositions, disbarment, and three lawsuits clearly marked on the sides of those helicopters. Who else knows where our Flight pattern will lead us to? Hysterically yours, The Blog Hooligans |
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| sdsgo | Jul 16 2008, 12:23 PM Post #18 |
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IIRC, right after Elmo’s trial, one reporter wrote that a security guard and a policeman testified that Elmo made incriminating statements when he returned to the store. She also reported that Elmo later took the stand and vigorously denied their version of the facts. If the security guard had simply related the story as seen in the video, both he and the store would be off the hook. Does anyone know what was said in the original store complaint, or presented at his trial? Reporters tend to leave out the really important details. We need a copy of Elmo’s lawsuit! GO ELMO! Edited by sdsgo, Jul 16 2008, 12:23 PM.
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| Baldo | Jul 16 2008, 12:32 PM Post #19 |
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Lots of luck Hechts going against the Reader's Digest Hero of the Year. He was found NOT Quilty! They would be smart to settle. Besides I imagine the depositions in this case could be quite useful in the three lawsuits. Who knows we might even see Ashly Cannon under deposition along with Linwood, Nifong, Clayton, Gottlieb, and Himan. Edited by Baldo, Jul 16 2008, 12:34 PM.
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| Bill Anderson | Jul 16 2008, 12:40 PM Post #20 |
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Yeah, too bad none of them could be jailed for perjury, given that authorities in North Carolina protect the worst criminals (or fail to keep tabs on alleged murderers like Lovette and Atwater).
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| Deleted User | Jul 16 2008, 02:32 PM Post #21 |
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. No surprise there, Mr. Diesel! 
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| Baldo | Jul 16 2008, 03:03 PM Post #22 |
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So right... errh left! Talk Left's had a propensity to prop up the Hoax supporter's wild claims and allow them far too much free rein when they should have been axed long ago. Never could understand that unless pure ideology came into play. I enjoyed Talk Left and the wonderful debates. However its names does make it clear, it was a Talk "Left" Forum. Mr. Michael's knows his horse came in dead last. In fact it stumbled badly down the back stretch and was last seen levitating claiming Duke had rigged the racetrack cameras. Edited by Baldo, Jul 16 2008, 03:03 PM.
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| 60slib | Jul 16 2008, 03:04 PM Post #23 |
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Thanks maggief for posting the Sheehan article. I had not read that one before and I'm sure all of you noticed way back in '06 what flew all over me. She bemoans the waste of her time. The waste of a judge, a clerk, two bailiffs, two ADAs and two investigators. While she had no concern for the waste of time of the one person who was in legal jeopardy. The only one who wasn't being paid to be there. The one who lost money to be there. The innocent, falsely accused, honorable, future RD hero of the year. No, about him she says, "Even if Elmo were guilty--and he might be..." It must suck to be Sheehan. |
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| Quasimodo | Jul 16 2008, 03:20 PM Post #24 |
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IIRC (going purely on memory here), either the police or the security guard testified that Elmo sped away before his accomplice even got the back door of the cab shut. IOW, this proved he was in league with her, as she jumped in the car to make the getaway. In fact, the tape showed that she got in normally and shut the door, and the cab drove off normally. Ergo, the (two?) officers "misremembered" the "facts". . . |
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| abb | Jul 16 2008, 03:58 PM Post #25 |
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I remember that, Quas, about the door not being shut before "speeding off." No doubt Himan or Gottlieb or someone coached the rent-a-cop to testify that way. |
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| Deleted User | Jul 16 2008, 05:24 PM Post #26 |
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. Hawkins is a crackhead and she probably didn't know what she was going to take when she entered the mall or how she was going to get out. Reporters did say that the Tape did NOT show what the Prosecutor and the Hecht's security guy said they would show. It was pure desperation. Elmo has a good, clean history. |
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| abb | Jul 16 2008, 05:29 PM Post #27 |
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http://www.newsobserver.com/145/story/471328.html Taxi driver's charge changed A surveillance tape leads a prosecutor to amend a case against a rape case witness http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/480278.html snip A security officer for the store testified today in district court that he saw a woman steal handbags from the store and then jump into Elmostafa’s cab, which sped away. The security officer testified that the cab pulled away even before the woman had closed to the door. A store surveillance tape, played in court, appeared to show that the door closed first. snip |
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| abb | Jul 16 2008, 05:43 PM Post #28 |
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http://liestoppers.blogspot.com/2006/08/elmostafa-acquitted.html Tuesday, August 29, 2006 Elmostafa Acquitted http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1692093/posts?page=151#151 http://www.heraldsun.com/durham/4-765287.html Cabbie, lacrosse case witness, cleared By John Stevenson, The Herald-Sun August 29, 2006 9:58 pm DURHAM -- An alibi witness in the Duke University lacrosse rape case was found not guilty Tuesday of aiding and abetting an unrelated shoplifting incident three years ago. District Judge Ann McKown said the prosecution's case was not sufficient to find taxi driver Moezeldin Ahmed Elmostafa guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Several defense lawyers had accused District Attorney Mike Nifong of bringing the misdemeanor shoplifting charge against Elmostafa as a pressure tactic in the controversial rape case. In April, Elmostafa signed a sworn affidavit saying he drove Duke lacrosse player Reade Seligmann to a bank machine, a fast-food restaurant and a campus dorm at about the time an exotic dancer claimed she was raped by Seligmann and two others at 610 N. Buchanan Blvd. in mid-March. A month later, Elmostafa was arrested on a 2003 warrant charging him with shoplifting at the Hecht's department store at Northgate Mall. The charge was reduced to aiding and abetting earlier this month. The cabbie testified Tuesday that he merely gave a ride to a woman who later pleaded guilty to stealing several handbags from the store. He claimed he didn't know what the woman was up to. Lawyer Kirk Osborn, representing Seligmann, said Tuesday's acquittal "certainly was the right verdict." Elmostafa declined to comment. But defense lawyer Thomas Loflin had much to say, contending he was "right on every single point" in the shoplifting case. "It's gratifying to have Mr. Elmostafa found not guilty," Loflin added. "He is truly innocent." In a written court motion, Loflin argued Tuesday that Nifong had used the shoplifting incident "to gain a tactical advantage over [Elmostafa], to try to pressure him into changing his evidence to favor the prosecution in the lacrosse case." Otherwise, why did authorities wait almost three years to serve the shoplifting warrant, when Elmostafa could easily have been found earlier, Loflin asked. The defense lawyer also produced typewritten notes, purportedly made by police investigator Benjamin Himan, to show that Nifong may have shown a high degree of interest in the shoplifting incident after the lacrosse case arose. "The DA wants the [shoplifting] warrant served," the notes said. According to Loflin, it was "extraordinary that the head DA would take such an interest in a rinky-dink larceny case." Nifong could not be reached for comment Tuesday. But Linwood Wilson, the district attorney's investigator, denied that the shoplifting case was used to pressure Elmostafa. "There ain't no truth in that," he insisted. Wilson said Elmostafa could not be found in 2003, partly because authorities had an inaccurate spelling of his name. However, Elmostafa's correct name turned up in a routine record check earlier this year -- a check sparked by the lacrosse case, Wilson added. "We run a criminal record check on anybody that's a witness for either side in any case," said Wilson. "When we find an outstanding warrant, we have it served. ... It has nothing to do with putting any kind of pressure on [Elmostafa]." Wilson also said that he, rather than Nifong, personally instructed Investigator Himan to serve the three-year-old shoplifting warrant on Elmostafa. "It all came from me," said Wilson. During Tuesday's shoplifting trial, two officers gave testimony contradicting that of Elmostafa. Jonathan Massey, a Hecht's loss-prevention agent in 2003, said Elmostafa initially denied any knowledge about his passenger stealing from the department store. But the cabbie later changed his story to say he did know what was going on, although he claimed he could not legally refuse to give the thief a ride, according to Massey. Durham Police Officer Vernon Harris corroborated that version of events. A Hecht's security video, played in court Tuesday, showed the thief getting out of Elmostafa's cab, entering Hecht's and leaving about 41 seconds later with an armful of handbags. Massey said the tape then showed Elmostafa speeding away with the woman inside his car, running one stop sign in the Northgate parking lot and failing to come to a complete halt at another. But defense lawyer Loflin had the tape replayed repeatedly, attempting to demonstrate that the cab accelerated at a normal speed and did not ignore any visible traffic signs. Loflin said prosecutor Ashley Cannon had not proved any "guilty knowledge" on Elmostafa's part. Even if Elmostafa saw the handbags in his passenger's arms, he had no way of knowing they were stolen, Loflin added. But as a practical matter, Elmostafa could not see the bags because of a taxi security shield that blocked his view, the defense lawyer said. Cannon disagreed in her closing argument Tuesday. "If we use any common sense and take all the evidence, we can see he [Elmostafa] did know about this before the larceny took place, while it took place and after it took place," Cannon said. URL for this article: http://www.heraldsun.com/durham/4-765287.html |
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| Sydney Carton | Jul 16 2008, 05:43 PM Post #29 |
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Tony SopranoJul 16 2008, 02:32 PM DieselJul 16 2008, 09:53 AM Incidentally, I posted something like the last remark in Talk Left when Smokin's article originally appeared and my contribution was subsequently taken down by Jeralyn Merritt.. No surprise there, Mr. Diesel! So right... errh left! Talk Left's had a propensity to prop up the Hoax supporter's wild claims and allow them far too much free rein when they should have been axed long ago. Never could understand that unless pure ideology came into play. I enjoyed Talk Left and the wonderful debates. However its names does make it clear, it was a Talk "Left" Forum. Mr. Michael's knows his horse came in dead last. In fact it stumbled badly down the back stretch and was last seen levitating claiming Duke had rigged the racetrack cameras. SC Jeralyn is a bundle of contradictions.She and Thomas Sowell and LaShawn Barber were three of the first people on a national level to come out unreservedly in defense of the team. If she hadn't provided a haven when Coldwater tried to ban the anti-Nifong faction over at Court tv,the blog hooligans woulld have been stopped cold. But...she is also a good friend of Ariadne Huffington and so stated when Huffington published as vile a group of lies about the case as Wendy Murphy. The same way she allowed Immie to play the fool for most a year because, since she had decided to stake out in the name of Justice against a town and faculty largely controlled by the nastiest face of the left,she did feel obligated give the looney left all the field they wanted. However,once she finally did decide to ban them she still professed not to recognise them when they obviously came back under other identies. I think I published the most minute analysis of a Cash piece ever done on TL and Jeralyn published it without interference, even when Cash complained.On the other hand several of my metaphors about Witches Murphy's and Huffington's tendency to pile on the faggots were deleted on Jeralyn's mistaken impression that I was trashiing Huffington's and Murphy's numerous admirers in the Rainbow Coalition. I continue to post there because (1)TalkLeft is actually better cross-referenced on the web than Liestoppers at the present moment and attracts on a small basis a neutral audience that is not likely to show up here;and (2)with the mass destruction of the Court tv and old Liestoppers blogs,it is(despite Jeralyn's always arbitrary deletions)the best surviving chronicle of what happened in the case on a day to day basis.If I hadn't cross-polinated a few great posts in the old days they would now be lost completely and(3) we no longer have an alternative file devoted to alternative theory and possible innocence cases-which should of course never be configurated with the certain innocence case which we are primarily here to defend.Since I make a point of never discussing party affiliation or the ideology of probable false accusers when posting over at TL(the perpetrators are actually,as far as I can see ,pretty evanly balanced between nominal Democrats and nominal Republicans. The one time I got cut there was cross-referencing a blog devoted to cops who have been framed by their brethern.There are a surprising number of such out there. You may have noticed that Court tv boards have been for over a week.The site now officially state that the reason as increased security measures.They were recently running more pro-defense materials than formerly and actually threw Immie(writing as Holiday) off the board.The only veterans of the Duke fight still banned are Two Braids,Old Lady and Vegas. With all the trolls still running at TL I fear that it could be the next victim of attack and I would advice everyone to keep your own files of any communications which you may still value. |
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| abb | Jul 16 2008, 05:50 PM Post #30 |
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This is some of the shit Ruth Sheehan used to write about us. http://www.newsobserver.com/138/story/476025.html Star of a blogging drama |
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