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Obama's Address about Israeli Palestine Conflict; Wants return to 1967 Israeli Border
Topic Started: May 18 2011, 08:35 PM (4,417 Views)
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Germany and Japan are allies too yet a lot of Americans died in the 1940s at their hands. The US accidently bombed the Chinese embassy a few years back. Mistakes happen.
The USA enjoys the intelligence that the Israelis give. We were also fortunate that Israel took out the Iraqi nuclear plant in the 1980s.
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Dancing with Arafat's Ghost
Oliver North - May 20, 2011

Washington, D.C. -- On Thursday, President Barack Obama went to the State Department to "mark a new chapter in American diplomacy." The president's handlers boldly billed his lengthy address "A Moment of Opportunity" for the Middle East. It was neither. Instead, he delivered a naïve, revisionist lecture that was sufficiently utopian and self-centered to have been drafted by Jimmy Carter. Unfortunately, he also demanded major concessions from the only democracy in the Middle East and America's most steadfast ally in the region, Israel.

To no one's surprise, Obama alluded -- for the 12th time in two weeks -- to the death of Usama bin Laden and cleverly described the terror kingpin's demise, the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq and the U.S. drawdown in Afghanistan, to be part of his grand design for the Middle East. After naming a litany of places where "the shouts of human dignity" and "self determination are being heard" -- including Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen, Bahrain, Syria and Libya -- he staked his claim: "two years ago in Cairo I began to broaden our engagement based upon mutual interests and mutual respect." Apparently that mutual respect extends to everyone in the region except the Israelis.

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Barack Obama has become Yasser Arafat's dream come true.



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jewelcove
May 20 2011, 09:03 PM
Germany and Japan are allies too yet lot of Americans died in the 1940s at their hands. The US accidently bombed the Chinese embassy a few years back. Mistakes happen.
The USa enjoys the intelligence that the Israelis give. We were alsofortunate that Israel took out the Iraqi nuclear plant in the 1980s.
Should Jonathan Pollard, who was a spy against the US for Israel, be released from prison?

Bibi Netanyahu would like Pollard released. Sen. John McCain recently said he agreed with Netanyahu.




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In May 1968, the Israeli government paid US$3,323,500 as full payment to the families of the 34 men killed in the attack. In March 1969, Israel paid a further $3,566,457 in compensation to the men who had been wounded. On 18 December 1980, it agreed to pay $6 million as settlement for the U.S. claim of $7,644,146 for material damage to the Liberty itself.[8]

Purportedly, on December 17, 1987, the issue was officially closed by the two governments through an exchange of diplomatic notes.[9]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

We have forgiven Japan and Germany of far, far worse, yet the Liberty is constantly brought up...
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The USS Vincennes shot down what was very obviously a civilian Iranian airliner, killing 290 innocent people. We have never admitted responsibility or apologized for this gross error.
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I remember this story...

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/john-stephenson/2008/10/25/la-times-witholds-video-obama-toasting-former-plo-operative-jew-bas
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http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/05/029066.php
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USS Liberty attack happened during the six-day war. There are many theories as to why it happened.

What is the truth? Was it a mistake? Was it intended to stop the Liberty from finding out the Golan Heights attack?

Israel was fighting for its very life. The USA was worried the conflict would start WW III as was Russia.

The answer probably rests in some archives in Tel Aviv, Washington DC, and Moscow. IMHO we won't know until peace comes to the Middle East.

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So where will Obama be why Bibi speaks before the Congress on May 24?

Highlights of Obama's schedule in Europe
Obama and first lady Michelle Obama arrive Tuesday in London for a state visit. The Obamas have lunch with Queen Elizabeth II, the president lays a wreath at Westminster Abbey and in the evening the Obamas attend a banquet hosted by the queen at Buckingham Palace.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/05/21/national/w065901D08.DTL#ixzz1N0nJR6Qg


Our traveling man heads off to Europe late Sunday!


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Try as they might to say the 1967 Borders was policy of the US Govt, it wasn't under Bush. The Washington Post is critical of Obama's Diplomatic effort.

Editorial Board Opinion - Washington Post

The blowup with Israel


PRESIDENT OBAMA and Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu have a powerful and urgent common interest. Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has turned his back on both Israel and the United States; he is seeking accommodation with the extremist Hamas movement and has announced that he will seek a declaration of Palestinian statehood from the U.N. General Assembly in September. The result could be what Mr. Netanyahu’s defense minister calls “a diplomatic tsunami” against Israel and possibly the eruption of another Israeli-Palestinian war. As for the United States, the U.N. vote could isolate it in support of Israel, undermine the ambitious strategy that Mr. Obama has just announced to promote democracy in the Arab world — and maybe derail the Arab Spring itself.

Now, of all times, the Israeli and U.S. governments ought to be working closely together; they should be trying to defuse the U.N. threat, induce Mr. Abbas to change course, and above all prevent a resumption of violence between Israelis and Palestinians. Instead, Friday found Mr. Obama and Mr. Netanyahu once again publicly and poisonously at odds with each other, thanks to a handful of lines added by Mr. Obama to his Middle East speech on Thursday. The president’s decision to publicly endorse terms for a peace settlement seemingly calculated to appeal to Mr. Abbas, over the strong objections of Mr. Netanyahu, has had the effect of distracting attention from the new U.S. agenda for the region.

Mr. Obama’s intention is to persuade Mr. Abbas to give up his U.N. bid and return to negotiations with Israel. To do so, he endorsed one of the conditions Palestinians have tried to set for talks: that they be based on Israel’s 1967 border lines, with swaps of land to accommodate large Jewish settlements in the West Bank. This is not a big change in U.S. policy. Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, along with previous Israeli governments, have supported the approach.

But Mr. Netanyahu has not yet signed on, and so Mr. Obama’s decision to confront him with a formal U.S. embrace of the idea, with only a few hours’ warning, ensured a blowup. Israeli bad feeling was exacerbated by Mr. Obama’s failure to repeat past U.S. positions — in particular, an explicit stance against the return of Palestinian refugees to Israel.

Mr. Obama should have learned from his past diplomatic failures — including his attempt to force a freeze on Jewish settlements in the West Bank — that initiating a conflict with Israel will thwart rather than advance peace negotiations. He may also be giving short shrift to what Mr. Netanyahu called “some basic realities.” The president appears to assume that Mr. Abbas is open to a peace deal despite growing evidence to the contrary. And while he acknowledges that it is “very difficult” to expect Israel “to negotiate in a serious way” with a party — Hamas — that rejects its existence, Mr. Obama has been vague about what the Palestinians must do to resolve this concern.

The renewed peace process that Mr. Obama seeks could, at best, have the effect of curbing the Palestinian campaign against Israel or at least depriving it of major European support. The idea that it could lead to a peace settlement under the current Israeli and Palestinian leaders strikes us as unrealistic. This president likes to portray himself as a pragmatist in foreign policy. In this case, pragmatism would suggest that restoring trust with Israel, rather than courting a feckless Palestinian leader, would be the precondition to any diplomatic success.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-blowup-with-israel/2011/05/20/AFwl827G_story.html
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The president’s decision to publicly endorse terms for a peace settlement seemingly calculated to appeal to Mr. Abbas.


It appears he's either assuming quite a bit in the Middleeast or is just plain arrogant.
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I changed the topic title to better describe this thread. The original title did reflect was was supposed to be a speech about the Middle East and what was happening with Arab unemployment and conditions. I suspect the reason Obama was 44 minutes late to the State Department was because they did change the speech to a major address about the conflict. It seemed confused and hastily done.

I suspect the White House was being pro-active concerning Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu upcoming May 24 speech to the congress and looking forward to a warm reception for his new stance on the conflict in Europe.

I fully understand Obama is not the first President to have failure in the conflict resolution, but this was a whopper of a diplomatic blunder.
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Anti-Israeli sentiment growing in 'Arab Spring'

Will the newly empowered Arab world pressure Israel to return to the 1967 borders? NBC's Richard Engel reports.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/43121331#43121331


What is really disgusting is Engel's lack of reporting about the real situation why the 6 day war happened. Syria, Jordan, and Egypt were amassing hundreds of thousands of troops in preparation of a massive attack on Israel on the 67 borders.. Also his saying the Golan Heights is about water. Yes, but is also about self-defense. They will never return it to Syria.

BTW the West Bank was part of Jordan. They don't want the Palestinians.

If Israel had lost the 67 war do we think the Arab world would care about the destruction of Israel?
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May 21 2011, 10:13 PM
Anti-Israeli sentiment growing in 'Arab Spring'

Will the newly empowered Arab world pressure Israel to return to the 1967 borders? NBC's Richard Engel reports.

Video
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/43121331#43121331


What is really disgusting is Engel's lack of reporting about the real situation why the 6 day war happened. Syria, Jordan, and Egypt were amassing hundreds of thousands of troops in preparation of a massive attack on Israel on the 67 borders.. Also his saying the Golan Heights is about water. Yes, but is also about self-defense. They will never return it to Syria.

BTW the West Bank was part of Jordan. They don't want the Palestinians.

If Israel had lost the 67 war do we think the Arab world would care about the destruction of Israel?
" Anti-Israeli sentiment growing in 'Arab Spring' " sounds very much like " Communists have been looking anti-business of late ", or " KKK has been developing some racist attitudes ". A lie by implication: hatred for business is the very essence of communism, racist activities have always been THE reason for KKK's existence, and the so-called "Arab Spring" is an islamist rebellion against leaders that are perceived as moderate. Of course they are anti-Israel, anti-US, and generally anti-civilization. That is why our Hussein supports them! :bump:
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Top Jewish Americans ponder support for Obama

(Reuters) — Some prominent Jewish Americans are rethinking their support for President Barack Obama’s 2012 re-election bid after he effectively called on Israel to give back territory it has occupied since 1967 to Palestinians.

The backlash after Obama’s keynote speech on the Middle East has Democratic Party operatives scrambling to mollify the Jewish community as the president prepares to seek a second term in the White House.

“He has in effect sought to reduce Israel’s negotiation power and I condemn him for that,” former New York Mayor Ed Koch told Reuters…

“I believed that then-Senator Obama would be as good as John McCain based on his statements at the time and based on his support of Israel. It turns out I was wrong,” he said.

Exit polls from the 2008 election showed 78 percent of Jewish voters chose Obama over his Republican rival Senator McCain.

“I have spoken to a lot of people in the last couple of days — former supporters — who are very upset and feel alienated,” billionaire real estate developer and publisher Mortimer Zuckerman said.

“He’ll get less political support, fewer activists for his campaign, and I am sure that will extend to financial support as well.”

Zuckerman backed Obama during his 2008 presidential run and the newspaper he owns, the New York Daily News, endorsed the president....snipped

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/21/us-usa-campaign-mideast-idUSTRE74K2PX20110521?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&rpc=22&sp=true
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