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Obama's Address about Israeli Palestine Conflict; Wants return to 1967 Israeli Border
Topic Started: May 18 2011, 08:35 PM (4,418 Views)
wingedwheel
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Did Jimmy Carter want Israel to go back to the 1967 boarders around the time the Camp David Accords were signed? Seems to me 0bama is doing his best to be a worse president than Carter.
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This is another example of how far to the left the democrat party has gone. What was good enough for Carter is no longer good enough for 0bama and the democrat party now. What was good for Clinton, Don't Ask, Don't Tell and DOMA for example, is no longer good enough for 0bama and the democrats.
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wingedwheel
May 20 2011, 03:56 PM
This is another example of how far to the left the democrat party has gone. What was good enough for Carter is no longer good enough for 0bama and the democrat party now. What was good for Clinton, Don't Ask, Don't Tell and DOMA for example, is no longer good enough for 0bama and the democrats.
You head the nail on the head WW, this is the progressive socialist party at it's best.
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May 20 2011, 02:54 PM
I saw that today and Zero looked like a little boy getting scolded by an adult, one thing I really liked about Netanyehu is that he want's to protect his borders, which is far more the Zero is doing for us. Too bad that Zero has to deal with adults. Netanyehu handed Obama his azz. IMHO
I had thought about the door being open to slamming Obama on border protection here, but that's a topic for US politicians, not the leader of Israel

...but it would have been LMAO funny coming from Netanyehu!
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Mark Levin is slamming the ADL on supporting Obama over Netanyehu. I don't know what speech the ADL heard from Obama on the 19th, but they interperted that as support for Isreal. I know from what I heard, there was no support for Isreal, he threw Isreal under the bus.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2jt2Y6Gbri4#at=156

Read West’s full statement below:

(WASHINGTON) — Congressman Allen West (FL-22) released this statement today:

“Today’s endorsement by President Barack Obama of the creation of a Hamas-led Palestinian state based on the pre-1967 borders, signals the most egregious foreign policy decision his administration has made to date, and could be the beginning of the end as we know it for the Jewish state.

From the moment the modern day state of Israel declared statehood in 1948, to the end of the 1967 Six Day War, Jews were forbidden access to their holiest site, the Western Wall in Jerusalem’s Old City, controlled by Jordan’s Arab army.

The pre-1967 borders endorsed by President Obama would deny millions of the world’s Jews access to their holiest site and force Israel to return the strategically important Golan Heights to Syria, a known state-sponsor of terrorism.

Resorting to the pre-1967 borders would mean a full withdrawal by the Israelis from the West Bank and the Jewish neighborhoods of East Jerusalem. Make no mistake, there has always been a Nation of Israel and Jerusalem has been and must always be recognized as its rightful capital.

In short, the Hamas-run Palestinian state envisioned by President Obama would be devastating to Israel and the world’s 13.3 million Jews. It would be a Pavlovian style reward to a declared Islamic terrorist organization, and an unacceptable policy initiative.

America should never negotiate with the Palestinian Authority- which has aligned itself with Hamas. Palestine is a region, not a people or a modern state. Based upon Roman Emperor Hadrian’s declaration in 73 AD, the original Palestinian people are the Jewish people.

It’s time for the American people to stand by our strongest ally, the Jewish State of Israel, and reject this foreign policy blunder of epic proportions.

While the winds of democracy may blow strong in the Middle East, history has demonstrated that gaps in leadership can lead to despotic regimes. I have questions for President Obama: ‘Who will now lead in Egypt?‘ and ’Why should American taxpayers provide foreign aid to a nation where the next chapter in their history may be the emergence of another radical Islamic state?’

President Obama has not stood for Israel or the Jewish people and has made it clear where the United States will stand when Palestine attempts to gain recognition of statehood by the United Nations. The President should focus on the real obstacle to security- the Palestinian leadership and its ultimate goal to eliminate Israel and the Jewish people.”
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I could make some comment about Neville Chamberlain and Obama, but that would be insulting Neville.

Obama's speech yesterday was a huge foreign policy blunder for a number of reasons.

1) He sided with Terrorist's Demands
2) He stuck a knife in the back of an ally and that shows USA Foreign Policy is untrust worthy.
3) His solution is no solution for either side
4) He doesn't get that Hamas wants the destruction of Israel. They will not be happy until Israel doesn't exist. It isn't a matter of negotiating this issue. It is at the center of the conflict.

The right of return will never be granted, for if it is, it means the destruction of Israel.

This is what happens when we elect a person who wasn't vetted. My only question is how much damage will he do before Jan 2013?

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu speaks to Congress on May 24

Time for History! Go Bibi!
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kbp

1) He sided with Terrorist's Demands


He far exceeded the Palistinian demands made in negotiations.

As for January 2013, the Senate is more of a sure bet.
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Netanyehu in front of the Press talks directly to Obama.

Blunt & Honest!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcZtDrkuCd0&feature=player_embedded

BTW Bibi's speech was without a teleprompter. Powerful words!
Edited by Baldo, May 20 2011, 07:17 PM.
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From watching that joint meeting on television today, Netanyehu gave Zero a history lesson right there on national television. He made Zero a Zero, right there for all too see.
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Baldo
May 20 2011, 07:13 PM
Netanyehu in front of the Press talks directly to Obama.

Blunt & Honest!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcZtDrkuCd0&feature=player_embedded

BTW Bibi's speech was without a teleprompter. Powerful words!
He hit it with "reality", no politics. Point blank what must happen, making unrealistic ideas looks silly.

He has the opportunity to be in the spotlight now, come the 24th, for Obama's speech had all the media focus shift to Israel (maybe redirecting it away from the balance of the mess in the Mideast!).
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Zogby: Jews Will Vote for Obama Despite Israel Stance

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Zogby-Obama-Jews-vote/2011/05/20/id/397147?s=al&promo_code=C50F-1

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It will take more than a little friction with the current leadership of Israel to change that dynamic, he says. “Israel is extremely important to American Jews. But so are traditional liberal stances, particularly on social issues."


So what are those social issues so important to American Jews? Abortion? Gay marriage? Redistribution of wealth? Those issues trump support for Israel?

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May 19 2011, 09:22 PM
It was a big error to mention the '67 lines. If he wanted to get into the fine details, he should not have skipped all the other conditions related to it.

Oh well, it wasn't his first mistake and won't be his last. I still think the House should jump on this opportunity.
With all the talk of the 1967 lines and the Arab-Israeli war of 1967, a little talked about incident might help to explain the complexity of the US-Israeli relationship. I don't understand why some Americans feel so joined at the hip with Israel so much so that it is impossible for them to be objective.

The incident I'm referring to was the Israel attack on the USS Liberty on June 8, 1967 and we are approaching the 44th anniversary of that attack. The American sailors aboard the ship believe the attack was deliberate.








Edited by foxglove, May 20 2011, 08:41 PM.
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On the other hand, if Israel is disbanded, or removed, how long before one Religious brand is trying to remove the competing religious brands from the middle east?


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foxglove
May 20 2011, 08:25 PM
kbp
May 19 2011, 09:22 PM
It was a big error to mention the '67 lines. If he wanted to get into the fine details, he should not have skipped all the other conditions related to it.

Oh well, it wasn't his first mistake and won't be his last. I still think the House should jump on this opportunity.
With all the talk of the 1967 lines and the Arab-Israeli war of 1967, a little talked about incident might help to explain the complexity of the US-Israeli relationship. I don't understand why some Americans feel so joined at the hip with Israel so much so that it is impossible for them to be objective.

The incident I'm referring to was the Israel attack on the USS Liberty on June 8, 1967 and we are approaching the 44th anniversary of that attack. The American sailors aboard the ship believe the attack was deliberate.








I'd read about that a couple times, just web articles. Nothing seems certain there, but Israel is an ally now whatever the truth may be.
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