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Obama's Address about Israeli Palestine Conflict; Wants return to 1967 Israeli Border
Topic Started: May 18 2011, 08:35 PM (4,419 Views)
Mason
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Muslim or Palistinean spokesman laughs at Obama "offer" and says 2 Billion is chump-change, in effect.

He said it's all about "Social Justice" and the U.S. must pay.


It's obvious that the Community Organizer tactics that have enriched so many in the U.S. have gone global.

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Edited by Mason, May 20 2011, 10:57 AM.
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May 20 2011, 10:55 AM
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Muslim or Palistinean spokesman laughs at Obama "offer" and says 2 Billion is chump-change, in effect.

He said it's all about "Social Justice" and the U.S. must pay.


It's obvious that the Community Organizer tactics that have enriched so many in the U.S. have gone global.

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We know the Billions aren't going to change anything - and we're being told it's nowhere near enough - so why are we wasting our Money?



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It'll be used to support terrorism, in fact.
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Limbaugh makes a good point:

The American Policy assumes Israel is the problem in the Middle East. Why is that?

Is Israel closer to the Problem in the Middle East - or is Iran?

Why is Iran given a Pass?


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Edited by Mason, May 20 2011, 11:59 AM.
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The Left Radio stations seem to believe that if Israel went away - there would be no problem in the Middle East.

They further say that Israel is going away anyway by virtue of their low birth rate versus growth of the Muslim states. So, disbanding them would only be speeding things up.

It seems to me there is a lack of discussion in the Big Media along this front. It is implied Israel is the problem - but maybe it needs to be stated explicitly and positions would be known and a discussion could occur.

It really doesn't make sense that the Jewish people in the country support Left Liberals.


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May 20 2011, 12:24 PM
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The Left Radio stations seem to believe that if Israel went away - there would be no problem in the Middle East.

They further say that Israel is going away anyway by virtue of their low birth rate versus growth of the Muslim states. So, disbanding them would only be speeding things up.

It seems to me there is a lack of discussion in the Big Media along this front. It is implied Israel is the problem - but maybe it needs to be stated explicitly and positions would be known and a discussion could occur.

It really doesn't make sense that the Jewish people in the country support Left Liberals.


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I suppose the silver lining there is that so long as Israel is around, the Mideast will continue with the idea of uniting with the "enemy of our enemy".

Were the Jews gone, there would be more battles between Muslims, for they'd lack that common enemy they all want to eliminate in the Mideast.

As for the "birth rate" topic, somebody has to feed them ...our next crisis.
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It seems to me there is a lack of discussion in the Big Media along this front. It is implied Israel is the problem - but maybe it needs to be stated explicitly and positions would be known and a discussion could occur.


Obama gives speeches about the wonderful and great contributions of the arab countries but you never hear him speak of the great contributions of science and medicine or anything else coming out of Israel.

All you have to do is compare Gaza to Israel to see that Gaza is a welfare state and a hotbed of terrorists to see who is the superior culture in that land. If Gaza is oppressed and contained it is for a reason - you have to contain the terrorists.

Netanyahu needs to make a stronger case as to the reason that Gaza is in the shape it's in and why Israel has to fight for it's survival while the world doesn't seem to give a care.

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Posted from another thread.

http://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2011/05/romney_obama_threw_israel_unde.html
Romney: Obama 'threw Israel under the bus'
Published: Friday, May 20, 2011, 11:16 AM
Updated: Friday, May 20, 2011, 12:50 PM

HANOVER, N.H. — Republicans looking to unseat President Barack Obama charged that he undermined the sensitive and delicate negotiations for Middle East peace with his outline for resumed talks between Israelis and Palestinians.

Former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman said Obama, whom he served as U.S. ambassador to China until last month, undercut an opportunity for Israelis and Palestinians to build trust. Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney said Obama "threw Israel under the bus" and handed the Palestinians a victory even before negotiations between the parties could resume. Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich called it "the most dangerous speech ever made by an American president for the survival of Israel."

Foreign policy has hardly been the center of the debate among the still-forming GOP presidential field. Instead, the candidates and potential candidates have kept their focus — like the country's — on domestic issues that are weighing on voters and their pocketbooks. Obama's speech Thursday provided one of the first opportunities for Republicans to assert their foreign policy differences with Obama and his Democratic administration.

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May 20 2011, 12:52 PM
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It seems to me there is a lack of discussion in the Big Media along this front. It is implied Israel is the problem - but maybe it needs to be stated explicitly and positions would be known and a discussion could occur.


Obama gives speeches about the wonderful and great contributions of the arab countries but you never hear him speak of the great contributions of science and medicine or anything else coming out of Israel.

All you have to do is compare Gaza to Israel to see that Gaza is a welfare state and a hotbed of terrorists to see who is the superior culture in that land. If Gaza is oppressed and contained it is for a reason - you have to contain the terrorists.

Netanyahu needs to make a stronger case as to the reason that Gaza is in the shape it's in and why Israel has to fight for it's survival while the world doesn't seem to give a care.

Good points, but the present battle at hand seems to be over all other areas in question, mainly the West Bank.

Are there border line disputes (settlements) in the Gaza area also? I thought I had read of those being eliminated.
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Netanyehu basically told Obama to shove it! Obama looked very bad, imo. Unsure, thrown off balance.





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The WH spin machine is going to have to go into overdrive.

Zer0 got slapped in the face in no uncertain terms...
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I expect full coverage of just how badly this went for Obama to be hard to locate in the MSM...

(Reuters) - Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu bluntly told President Barack Obama on Friday his vision for the borders of a future Palestinian state would leave the Jewish state with an "indefensible" frontier.

Netanyahu's remarks after the White House talks underscored how a new U.S. push for Middle East peace had opened one of the deepest divides in years in relations between the United States and close ally Israel.

"Peace based on illusions will crash eventually on the rocks of Middle East reality," an unsmiling Netanyahu told Obama in the Oval Office.

Netanyahu told Obama that Israel was willing to make compromises for peace but flatly rejected the idea of going back to 1967 borders, which he described as "indefensible."

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The right-wing Israeli leader has had strained relations with Obama in the past, and their latest meeting seemed unlikely to improve their personal chemistry.

"There is a feeling that Washington does not understand the reality, doesn't understand what we face," an official on board the plane taking Netanyahu to Washington told reporters.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110520/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_mideast

"That's not going to happen." Re the Right of return...

Along with some BS from the AP...

Overall though, you do get the flavor of the meeting...that Obama was not pleased to be spoken to by a strong leader.
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I saw that today and Zero looked like a little boy getting scolded by an adult, one thing I really liked about Netanyehu is that he want's to protect his borders, which is far more the Zero is doing for us. Too bad that Zero has to deal with adults. Netanyehu handed Obama his azz. IMHO
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http://www.wral.com/news/political/story/9625599/
Next to Obama,Israeli leader says no to 1967 lines
Posted: 3:30 a.m. today

WASHINGTON — Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu sat alongside President Barack Obama on Friday and declared that Israel would not withdraw to 1967 borders to help make way for an adjacent Palestinian state. Obama had called on Israel to be willing to do just that a day earlier.

The Israeli leader said he would make some concessions but Israel would not go back to the lines from decades earlier because they would be "indefensible."

For his part, Obama said that there were differences of formulations and language but that such disputes are going to happen "between friends."

The president never mentioned the 1967 borders as the two men talked with reporters. The leaders spoke after a lengthy meeting in the Oval Office, amid tense times.

Obama said in his speech on Thursday that the United States supports creation of a Palestinian state based on the border lines that existed before the 1967 Six Day War in which Israel forces occupied east Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza. The comment drew angry criticism in Israel, and Netanyahu made clear after meeting with Obama that the idea was unacceptable.

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