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| Topic Started: May 6 2011, 01:55 PM (47,642 Views) | |
| Baldo | May 6 2011, 01:55 PM Post #1 |
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Last night marked the start of the 2012 Presidential Campaign with the first GOP Debate so I decided we needed a thread. My thoughts. 2012 will be a tough campaign and I expect a knock down drawn out fight for the White House. I want my countrymen/women to debate fully the issues facing this country. Nobody owns my vote. I want the best to rise to sit in that office. |
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| Baldo | May 6 2011, 01:58 PM Post #2 |
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Karl Rove's Opinion Piece in WSJ The 2012 Electoral Math Looks Good for the GOP The presidential election will likely be decided in 14 states.. By KARL ROVE The number 270 will come to dominate almost every waking moment for the Obama re-election high command in Chicago—as well as for their counterparts in the headquarters of the GOP nominee next year. Two hundred seventy is the number of Electoral College votes needed to win the White House. Strategists on both sides will obsess on how to cobble together enough states to reach that total. Since the 2008 election, 18 states have experienced a change in their number of electoral votes because of the decennial census. Some (mostly red ones) have gained electoral votes and some (mostly blue) have lost electoral votes. John McCain would have closed the gap by 14 electoral votes in 2008 if the contest had been run under the 2012 Electoral College distribution. Most states are not in play. Mr. Obama will not win Utah and Wyoming, and the Republican nominee will not carry the District of Columbia or Rhode Island. But right now 14 states (with 172 electoral votes) are up for grabs. Mr. Obama narrowly won three traditionally Republican states in 2008: Indiana, Virginia and North Carolina. Democrats last carried the first two in 1964 and the third in 1976. The president will be hard-pressed to win these states and their 39 electoral votes next year, especially Indiana and North Carolina. Democrats will have their convention in Charlotte in an attempt to hold the latter. But a 2009 study by political scientists Michael J. Berry and Kenneth Bickers (of the University of Colorado at Boulder and Denver, respectively) found "no evidence that hosting a national nominating convention has any discernible effect on the ultimate vote in that state."....snipped ... The president's team is already focused on its Electoral College math project. According to CBS Radio's Mark Knoller, since January President Obama has made 40 stops in 15 states. Twelve stops were in battleground states and of the remaining 28 events, 15 were fund raisers in Democratic treasure houses like New York City, Los Angeles and San Francisco. At this point, the 2012 election is shaping up to be much closer than 2008. Mr. Obama has the considerable benefits of incumbency but also a dismal record. The electoral map has shrunk for him: Key states that went for him last time are unlikely to do so again. This election is within the GOP's grasp. The quality of the Republican candidate's campaign and message will decide whether it becomes so. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703849204576303090659547856.html?mod=googlenews_wsj |
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| foxglove | May 6 2011, 07:13 PM Post #3 |
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There are efforts to change state laws that could affect the electoral college. I think these efforts need more attention. http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/2011/apr/05/conn-may-change-electoral-college-laws/ "...A group of state legislators in Hartford are advancing a National Popular Vote bill that would have Connecticut join six other states and the District of Columbia in requiring its electors to vote for whichever presidential candidate wins the national popular vote. Sponsored by State Rep. Andrew Fleischmann (D-West Hartford), the bill passed 10–5 in the General Administration and Elections Committee on Friday. While the roughly party-line vote in committee suggests the bill may fare well in the General Assembly, its fate is still very much in doubt. Currently, Connecticut — like most other states — awards all of its electoral votes to the candidate with the most votes in the state. “This is a pro-democracy bill,” Fleischmann told the Hartford Courant Friday. “This is a bill that makes sure the person who gets the most votes on election day is elected president of the United States.” By joining the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, Connecticut would be joining a growing movement nationwide that promotes popular vote elections without formally scrapping the Electoral College. The plan would not require a constitutional amendment, since the Constitution gives states the power to choose how to appoint presidential electors. If passed, the legislation would take effect only if the combined Electoral College votes of the compact reaches 270 of 538, the majority required to secure the presidency..." |
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| kbp | May 6 2011, 10:40 PM Post #4 |
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"...requiring its electors to vote for whichever presidential candidate wins the national popular vote" What's the point of being a STATE then? |
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| Baldo | May 7 2011, 10:19 AM Post #5 |
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It is sort of strange self-destruction. In California there is a move to do this by Progressives but it would really harm the usual Democratic winner. Instead of a winner take all electoral vote from California they would be divided by popular vote count in California thereby essentially giving 40-45% of those electoral votes to the Republican. The electoral college as set up works fine. |
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| wingedwheel | May 7 2011, 10:41 AM Post #6 |
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Or the point of campaigning in states that do this. I also think of what is going on in Texas. The governor there is complaining that 0bama won't declare a emergency in his state for all the wildfires they have had. Same thing to happen to states that give the EV to the winner of the popular vote. Something the people of those states should consider. |
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| Baldo | May 7 2011, 11:44 AM Post #7 |
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"Bring me men to match my mountains, Bring me men to match my plains, Men with empires in their purpose, And new eras in their brains." -- Sam Walter Foss, from "The Coming American", July 4, 1894 And if that is a woman, it's fine with me. |
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| kbp | May 7 2011, 12:02 PM Post #8 |
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Then CA would not matter to a candidate ...not that I'm sure any candidate matters. |
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| LTC8K6 | May 7 2011, 04:52 PM Post #9 |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Walter_Foss |
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| Baldo | May 7 2011, 05:24 PM Post #10 |
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Reason why AFA ends 'Bring Me Men' era http://www.dadi.org/afa_era.htm IMHO I would have added, "Bring Me Men & Women to Match My Mountains!" But that makes too much sense. Edited by Baldo, May 7 2011, 05:25 PM.
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| kbp | May 7 2011, 05:27 PM Post #11 |
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Would a female member of the AFA complain???? |
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| Baldo | May 7 2011, 05:51 PM Post #12 |
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The kind of young men & women who enter the Academies are our best & brightest. It is an alpha world of intense competition and if that insulted some of those women I have no problem in expanding it, but to delete it was PC. A friend's son is going to AFA in late June. It is an amazing opportunity. He wants to be in aeronautics and become a doctor and if fortunate move into NASA. He was told the cost of the four year program at AFA is worth $400,000. He also gets full medical, pay while he attends, and the real possibility the AF will pay for his medical training post graduation with his extended commitment. Unbelievably some people have asked the dad why is he going to the AFA, couldn't get into a good school?. 
Edited by Baldo, May 7 2011, 06:04 PM.
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| foxglove | May 7 2011, 08:49 PM Post #13 |
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The Air Force Academy in pc mode. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1383855/Pagans-rejoice-Air-Force-Academy-opens-outdoor-chapel-Wiccans-Druids-earth-centered-worship-groups.html The face of the military is changing. What used to be seen as a bastion for evangelical Christianity is now expanding its lists of faiths to include Wiccans and Druids. At the Air Force Academy in Colorado, a prayer circle and veritable Stonehenge on the Rockies |
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| kbp | May 9 2011, 11:19 AM Post #14 |
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Slightly OT...
I see where the '12 Senate race could become a problem if the GOP is split on fighting the Tea Party. |
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| LTC8K6 | May 9 2011, 11:52 AM Post #15 |
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Gingrich has supposedly indicated that he is running... |
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