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| Deleted User | Apr 28 2011, 10:38 AM Post #121 |
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How one handles the truth is an indication of the basic character of any person. Politicians obfuscate, Leaders establish clear visions and clear out of the way barriers to accomplishments, not put them in the way. Baldo, your comments are the real essence of this issue. Statesmen don't play games like Obama does. I think Trump was making traction with a lot of potential independent voters and he stood up for the so-called "birthers" in his interviews. They are not right-wing nut jobs as the liberal press has tried to paint them, but average Americans for whom withholding one's BC never made sense. |
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| retiredLEO | Apr 28 2011, 11:38 AM Post #122 |
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I mentioned earlier, the file numbers being out of sequence. What is it about twin girls born day after Obama? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: April 27, 2011 9:58 pm Eastern © 2011 WorldNetDaily Today, Barack Obama blinked – releasing birth records he has hired lawyers to prevent the public from seeing, even at the expense of allowing U.S. Army Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin to be court-martialed and sent to prison for having dared ask questions the White House until now has resolutely dismissed with ridicule and disdain. A key problem for Obama is that birth certificates issued to twin girls born one day later at Kapi'olani hospital, the Nordykes, are the Rosetta Stone of deciphering both Obama's previously released short-form Certification of Live Birth and the newly released purported copy of his long-form birth certificate. Be the first to get an autographed copy of Jerome Corsi's upcoming blockbuster, "Where's the Birth Certificate?" and help get TV commercials on the air! (Column continues below) The problem since the short-form certificate was released during the 2008 presidential campaign has always been this: As WND reported, the long-form birth certificates issued by Kapi'olani to the Nordyke twins have certificate numbers lower than the number given Obama, even though the president purportedly was born at the same hospital a day earlier than the Nordykes. Note, Susan Nordyke, the first twin, was born at 2:12 p.m. Hawaii time Aug. 5, 1961, and was given certificate No. 151 – 61 – 10637, which was filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961. Gretchen Nordyke, the second twin, was born at 2:17 p.m. Hawaii time Aug. 5, 1961, and was given certificate No. 151 – 61 – 10638, which was also filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961. Yet, according to the Certification of Live Birth displayed by FactCheck.org during the 2008 presidential campaign – and now according to the long-form birth certificate the White House released today – Barack Obama was given a higher certificate number than the Nordykes. Note, Obama was given certificate No. 151 – 1961 – 10641, even though he was born Aug. 4, 1961, the day before the Nordyke twins, and his birth was registered with the Hawaii Department of Health registrar three days earlier, Aug. 8, 1961. Read more: What is it about twin girls born day after Obama? http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=292457#ixzz1KpvYwhTo |
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| Joan Foster | Apr 28 2011, 01:18 PM Post #123 |
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/apr/27/birth-certificate-isnt-obamas-only-secret/ Barack Hussein Obama II was born on Aug. 4, 1961, in Honolulu, Hawaii. For over two years, the president has resisted pressure to divulge this simple biographical information, which proves he’s a natural-born citizen. The belated White House release of the “long form” birth certificate answers one constitutional issue, but a host of other questions remains about the most mysterious president in modern history. Mr. Obama’s hostility to openness drives the public’s curiosity about the most basic facts of his life. For example, he has refused to release his college and law-school transcripts, information recent presidential candidates have openly shown the public despite some embarrassment over decades-old bad grades. What is there for this president to hide? Maybe he flunked government classes or got busted for dope. He has openly discussed his past drug use, but is there more to it? Secrecy breeds speculation. The list of hidden Obama documents includes medical records from his annual physical - which other presidents have made public - and first lady Michelle Obama’s law-firm records. Is she covering up a Hillary Clinton-type Whitewater case? Who knows. Perhaps the biggest secret in the Obama administration: What is the president’s golf handicap? He’s played 65 rounds in two years, so is his swing improving? Or, does he force staff aides in his usual foursome to let him take presidential mulligans? Donald Trump takes full credit for the timing of Wednesday’s long-delayed Obama disclosure, as the real-estate mogul launched his own investigation into the presidential birth certificate. “Today I’m very proud of myself because I’ve accomplished something that no one else was able to accomplish,” Mr. Trump boasted after landing his Trump-branded helicopter in New Hampshire.”Now we can talk about oil; we can talk about gasoline prices; we can talk about China ripping off this country. … We can get onto issues.” The fact that Mr. Obama did his own dirty laundry reminds that this president has no inkling how to act presidential. Standing at the podium over the seal of the presidency, he claimed, “We don’t have time for this silliness.” He then flew to Chicago with Michelle to tape the Oprah Winfrey show and attend three fundraisers. It’s not as if he didn’t have more important news to discuss such as the appointments of Leon E. Panetta as secretary of defense and Gen. David H. Petraeus as CIA director, Middle East turmoil or America’s multiple wars. Let a flack handle the tabloid fare. The birth-certificate brouhaha reiterates an old political truth: It’s always the cover-up that causes the most trouble. Too bad Mr. Obama didn’t learn his lesson. Edited by Joan Foster, Apr 28 2011, 01:19 PM.
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| MikeZPU | Apr 28 2011, 03:13 PM Post #124 |
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http://www.buzzfeed.com/gavon/top-20-conspiracy-theories-that-have-already-sprun |
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| retiredLEO | Apr 28 2011, 05:17 PM Post #125 |
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Is it real or is it computer generated, kind of like is it real or is it memorex? There are other video's that come up at then end of this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rPX33ZNdmlo#at=28 |
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| Joan Foster | Apr 28 2011, 05:33 PM Post #126 |
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"But what I don’t get is why there is not more anger at Obama and that selfsame mainstream media. One of the things Obama said yesterday was unintentionally striking. He contended that no one should ever have questioned his birth certificate because credible people who had seen it had described it in affidavits. Naturally, he didn’t mention why they were in the position of having to describe it in affidavits: namely, because Obama had refused to authorize production of the actual birth certificate, which he could have done at any moment over the last three years. Look how easy it would have been. When I read in Dan’s post yesterday about how the White House was also releasing the relevant correspondence between Obama’s lawyers and the Hawaii health department regarding the certificate, I said to myself: “Okay, we are finally going to learn that there’s been some bureaucratic complication beneath all this intrigue.” But no: The request for certified copies of the birth certificate was (finally) made last week, on a Friday, in two short letters — including a four-sentence letter signed by the president that obviously took him considerably less time to review than it takes to stretch before teeing off at the first hole. The birth certificate was produced the following business day (Monday) — with the health department expressing hope that its production “will end the numerous inquiries” it had gotten over the years, which “have been disruptive to staff operations and have strained State resources.” And Obama was able to do his dog-and-pony show yesterday morning, only five days after asking the health department to produce the document. If George W. Bush, Sarah Palin, or even a Republican the media likes (say, John McCain) had taken purposeful steps to block examination of so basic a document, the media would surely have turned such obstinacy into a scandal. The public might not have leapt to extravagant conclusions about whether they’d really been born in Kenya, or on Mars, or wherever. But they’d have thought it was intolerably strange that campaigns were retaining lawyers and amassing affidavits rather than just producing a seemingly innocuous, readily producible document. The story would never have been about the people asking for the birth certificate; it would have been about the candidate who was moving heaven and earth to prevent people from seeing it. And let’s not ignore that Obama did move heaven and earth. This is not just a matter of him thumbing his nose at a fringe collection of nutty “birthers.” There have been several court cases. It is flat out bizarre that one should have to be sued to compel conformance with a routine that millions of Americans comply with every day. Many of these court cases, if not all, could have been short-circuited (indeed, many of the later ones would not have been filed at all) if Obama had just produced the birth certificate. Instead, he not only refused to produce it; he and his campaign paid thousands of dollars in legal fees (in some places it is reported to be well over a million dollars) to fight the lawsuits — and Obama’s lawyers even threatened to seek disciplinary sanctions against lawyers for daring to file the lawsuits. Since Obama has been president, moreover, not just the time of courts and private lawyers has been tied up; government lawyers have had to spend their time — on the public’s dime — on this nonsense. There appears to be nothing remarkable about the president’s long-form birth certificate. As I’ve said before, the vast majority of people have long rightly accepted the fact that he was born in Hawaii and is an American citizen, no meaningful evidence to the contrary every having been produced to rebut the short-form certificate and the contemporaneous birth announcements in local newspapers. The constitutional question material to the matter of Obama’s eligibility — and one that is unlikely ever to get serious consideration — is whether Obama is a “natural born” citizen. That question centers on the ramifications, if any, of the fact that Obama’s father was not an American, and of Obama’s status as a dual citizen (of Kenya for a time, and possibly of Indonesia). Obama had to know that he had nothing to fear from production of the long-form certificate on this score — it doesn’t provide any relevant information that wasn’t already known. So, assuming as we should the legitimacy of the long-form birth certificate produced yesterday, the only thing that makes sense is that Obama knows the mainstream media is in his hip pocket. That is, he knew that he would not be held to the same standard as other politicians, and that if he acted in an unreasonable manner by withholding basic, easily available information that any other person seeking the presidency would be expected — be compelled — to produce, the media would portray as weirdos those demanding the information, not Obama and his stonewalling accomplices. And he also knows that, having now finally produced the document only because the game was starting to hurt him politically, the media will not focus on how easy it would have been to produce the birth certificate three years ago, or on how much time and money has been wasted by his gamesmanship; they’ll instead portray him as beleaguered and the people who have been seeking the basic information (i.e., doing the media’s job) as discredited whackos. It’s hard to say what’s more depressing, Obama’s cynicism or the zeal with which the media does his bidding. Edited by Joan Foster, Apr 28 2011, 05:34 PM.
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| cks | Apr 28 2011, 05:46 PM Post #127 |
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This will be an issue used to rap all potential Republican candidates. A question will be put to all something on the order of any of the following: 1. Do you think the president should have revealed his birth certificate? 2. Do you agree with those who feel that a candidate should make his birth certificate available? 3. Do you believe that there are things that a candidate should be able to keep private? 4. Do you think that the push by the birthers" was racially motivated? All of this will be sort of like the old question"when did you stop beating your wife?"......any answer will be used as a weapon because there is no way to answer any of these without angering some group within the electorate. Unlike some, I never doubted Obama's citizenship credentials - his mother was an American citizen. What I could not understand was why someone, who made such a big deal about transparency, was so secretive about such a document. One has to submit a birth certificate when one files a death certificate for an individual. One needs a birth certificate (in Buckeye land) in order to get a driving permit (not an affadavit but the actual birth certificate - not a copy). One needs to present a burth certificate (for one's child) when enriolling in school and of course, a birth certificate is necessary for the passport application. Several years ago, when I first went to read AP exams, I had to produce my birth certificate in order to satisfy the I-90 form that the government requires that employers have on file for all employees. |
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| RighteousThug | Apr 28 2011, 07:42 PM Post #128 |
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Which is not enough to convey citizenship at birth, cks, since his father was not a US citizen. Mom didn't reside in the US long enough after her 14th birthday to convey citizenship to -0-, so his being born in the States was/is crucial. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 28 2011, 07:49 PM Post #129 |
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At what age did she leave the country for Indonesia and when did she return? |
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| RighteousThug | Apr 28 2011, 08:27 PM Post #130 |
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I don't recall the exact details rt now, TD, but that was the gist of the problem. US Immigration / Citizenship laws changed several times from the 30s to the 80s, and the requirements that the citizen parent having resided in the US for x consecutive(??) years with y of those years being after age 12, then 14, then 16, went through several iterations. -0- may have been born during the '10 years after age 16' era, and mom left the US at age 25 if memory serves. Stay gone 1 year after that and your child does not have US citizenship. All those rules were only for parents of legitimate children born abroad, one parent being a US citizen, one being an alien. Point being that being born overseas of one citizen parent is not a guarantee of US citizenship for anyone. Then there are rules for the kids themselves for retaining citizenship, one of which is/was having lived in the US for the 5 years prior to their 18th birthday. Edited by RighteousThug, Apr 28 2011, 09:11 PM.
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| LTC8K6 | Apr 28 2011, 08:40 PM Post #131 |
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We don't know that he didn't become a citizen of another country, as rumored. |
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| RighteousThug | Apr 29 2011, 04:26 AM Post #132 |
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That wouldn't automatically cost someone their US citizenship, LTC. It would clearly be something that the authors of the Constitution would found on, but that's true of a lot of things these days. |
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| LTC8K6 | Apr 29 2011, 06:08 AM Post #133 |
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It could if he renounced his US citizenship. Indonesia was in turmoil at the time wasn't it? Also, it could certainly have an effect on the voters here in America to learn that he was an Indonesian citizen or that he held dual citizenship. |
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| Rusty Dog | Apr 29 2011, 06:30 AM Post #134 |
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Indonesia doesn't allow dual citizenship. |
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| LTC8K6 | Apr 29 2011, 06:32 AM Post #135 |
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Well, if you ask around, you get different versions of that... |
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