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Obama releases long form Birth Cert.; alrighty then.
Topic Started: Apr 27 2011, 08:08 AM (6,874 Views)
Mason
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I just heard the top-of-the-hour Radio news and the host went to a Reporter, and the reporter said, I'm being told not to read anything into these moves at the Pentagon and the CIA.

Where is the reporting? They are doing what they are told.

I only state this because no one had any confidence the media would push to get at the truth of the matter.

Do you remember Monica Lewinsky? A Major outlet knew about the affair and held off reporting on a deal with the White House. Drudge got a tip and reported it.

The White House successfully hid the affair until Clinton was reelected too.

This issue of non-trust is a contributing factor.

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Edited by Mason, Apr 27 2011, 11:26 PM.
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This issue of non-trust is a contributing factor.


Bingo!

Hope and Change meant honesty and transparency to a lot of people. Americans are sick and tired of deceitful politicians so naturally many are skeptical about things that a politician, especially POTUS, may be hiding.

Obama remarked today, "let's not vilify one another." So questioning him equals vilifying him? How many times has he vilified the rich, the tea party, those with guns and religion?

I don't know how to trust a President who ridicules and mocks its own citizens.


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MikeZPU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eOfYwYyS_c

It is my understanding that the President said this long form
birth certificate was scanned in from a page in a book.

The video posted at the link above (thanks to RT) definitively
proves that what the President posted was NOT a scan;
it was computer assembled. It was computer-assembled.

What that means at this point, I don't know. But what the
Office of the President posted was not a scan of a page from
a book as the President claimed it was.
Edited by MikeZPU, Apr 28 2011, 12:08 AM.
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Apr 27 2011, 02:32 PM
After Obama campaigned on "transparency" and "Washington is broke, let's fix it" but refused to release his BC until Trump pushed him - what were Americans to think?

Yes, the infamous transparency; only about 2 years too late. He lies every time he opens his mouth, why would he start telling the truth now? Who would have thought several years ago that a sitting President, in response to a controversy, would appear on the View for God's sake. Now where are the rest of those pesky records?

1 Certified copy of original birth certificate

2 Columbia University transcripts

3 Columbia thesis paper

4 Campaign donor analysis requested by 7 major watchdog groups

5 Harvard University transcripts

6 Illinois State Senate records

7 Illinois State Senate schedule

8 Law practice client list and billing records/summary

9 Locations and names of all half-siblings and step-mother

10 Medical records (only the one page summary released so far)

11 Occidental College Transcripts

12 Parent’s marriage Certificate

13 Record of baptism

14 Selective Service registration records

15 Schedules for trips outside of the United States before 2007

16 Passport records for all passports

17 Scholarly articles

18 SAT and LSAT test scores

19 List of all campaign workers that are lobbyists

20 Punahou grade school records

23 Noelani Kindergarten records are oddly missing from the the State of Hawaii Department of Education.

24 Page 11 of Stanley Ann Dunham's divorce decree.

25 CT SS# and the use of numerous others
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I wouldn't be so conclusive about anything involving history of Obama's life ..nothing beyond it is a mystery.

It would not surprise me if the WH would take the actual BC and tweak the scan just to stir the pot!
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Apr 27 2011, 11:40 PM
Obama remarked today, "let's not vilify one another."

Was that before or after he villified carnival barkers?
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Apr 28 2011, 12:13 AM
[ Now where are the rest of those pesky records?

Good list.

Don't leave out the Indonesian records.

Or the six Law Review articles that are required to become Editor of the Harvard Law Review.
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Was that before or after he villified carnival barkers?


Just before! LOL.

"We're not going to be able to (meet those challenges) if we spend time vilifying each other," he stressed. "We're not going to be able to do it if we just make stuff up and pretend that facts are not facts. We're not going to be able to solve our problems if we get distracted by sideshows and carnival barkers."


BTW, here's a breakdown on TV time given the birth certificate issue:

MSNBC

28% of airtime studied was devoted to the 2012 election
10% of airtime studied was devoted to Obama
A subset of that Obama airtime was coded “citizenship and religion rumors” to include “birther” coverage, which was 92% of the Obama coverage

Fox

16% of airtime studied was devoted to 2012 election
5% of airtime studied was devoted to Obama
A subset of that Obama airtime was coded “citizenship and religion rumors” to include “birther” coverage, which was 8% of the Obama coverage

CNN

11% of airtime studied was devoted to 2012 election
5% of airtime studied was devoted to Obama
A subset of that Obama airtime was coded “citizenship and religion rumors” to include “birther” coverage, which was 100% of the Obama coverage.

http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-birth-certificate-cable-fox-trump-2011-4


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The postings on this thread demonstrate the depth of the divisiveness of the man who holds the office of President of the United States.
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Mason
Apr 27 2011, 08:07 PM
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I am reminded of the Prestigious Harvard Professor, Henry Louis Gates.

He broke into his own home and when Police arrived he refused to show his I.D. and asked the Police who they thought they were asking him for I.D. He asked them if they knew who they were fooling with, to warn them.

Obama jumped in and classified it as Racism, out-of-control Police, etc.

After the Public reaction, Obama changed his tune and held a Beer Summit.

Obama didn't think HE should have to show his Birth Certificate.

If we didn't have the fake Press we have, they wouldn't have supported Obama's right to conceal over the Public's right to know.


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The BC issue has become a foil for the President's inept performance and he and his advisers may have felt that the distraction was to his advantage. I continue, however, to be skeptical of the fact that he now shows the long form after paying millions in legal fees to hide it. Does this make Trump a hero or a fool?
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Joan Foster

Now that George W. Bush has left the harsh glare of the White House and Barack Obama has settled into the highest office in the land, it might be reasonable to suppose that Bush hatred and Obama euphoria will begin to subside. Unfortunately, there is good reason to doubt that the common sources that have nourished these dangerous political passions will soon lose their potency.

At first glance, Bush hatred and Obama euphoria could not be more different. Hatred of Mr. Bush went well beyond the partisan broadsides typical of democratic politics. For years it disfigured its victims with open, indeed proud, loathing for the very manner in which Mr. Bush walked and talked. It compelled them to denounce the president and his policies as not merely foolish or wrong or contrary to the national interest, but as anathema to everything that made America great.

In contrast, the euphoria surrounding Mr. Obama's run for president conferred upon the candidate immunity from criticism despite his newness to national politics and lack of executive experience, and regardless of how empty his calls for change. At the same time, it inspired those in its grips, repeatedly bringing them tears of joy throughout the long election season. With Mr. Obama's victory in November and his inauguration last week, it suffused them with a sense that not only had the promise of America at last been redeemed but that the world could now be transfigured.

In fact, Bush hatred and Obama euphoria -- which tend to reveal more about those who feel them than the men at which they are directed -- are opposite sides of the same coin. Both represent the triumph of passion over reason. Both are intolerant of dissent. Those wallowing in Bush hatred and those reveling in Obama euphoria frequently regard those who do not share their passion as contemptible and beyond the reach of civilized discussion. Bush hatred and Obama euphoria typically coexist in the same soul. And it is disproportionately members of the intellectual and political class in whose souls they flourish.

To be sure, democratic debate has always been a messy affair in which passion threatens to overwhelm reason. So long as citizens remain free and endowed with a diversity of interests and talents, it will remain so.

In October 1787, amid economic crisis and widespread fears about the new nation's ability to defend itself, Alexander Hamilton, in the first installment of what was to become the Federalist Papers, surveyed the formidable obstacles to giving the newly crafted Constitution a fair hearing. Some would oppose it, Hamilton observed, out of fear that ratification would diminish their wealth and power. Others would reject it because they hoped to profit from the political disarray that would ensue. The opposition of still others was rooted in "the honest errors of minds led astray by preconceived jealousies and fears."

Indeed, the best of men, Hamilton acknowledged, were themselves all-too-vulnerable to forming ill-considered political opinions: "So numerous indeed and so powerful are the causes, which serve to give a false bias to the judgment, that we upon many occasions, see wise and good men on the wrong as well as on the right side of questions, of the first magnitude to society."

In surveying the impediments to bringing reason to bear in politics, it was not Hamilton's aim to encourage despair over democracy's prospects but to refine political expectations. "This circumstance, if duly attended to," he counseled, "would furnish a lesson of moderation to those, who are ever so much persuaded of their being in the right, in any controversy."

As Hamilton would have supposed, the susceptibility of political judgment to corruption by interest and ambition is as operative in our time as it was in his. What has changed is that those who, by virtue of their education and professional training, would have once been the first to grasp Hamilton's lesson of moderation are today the leading fomenters of immoderation.

Bush hatred and Obama euphoria are particularly toxic because they thrive in and have been promoted by the news media, whose professional responsibility, it has long been thought, is to gather the facts and analyze their significance, and by the academy, whose scholarly training, it is commonly assumed, reflects an aptitude for and dedication to systematic study and impartial inquiry.

From the avalanche of vehement and ignorant attacks on Bush v. Gore and the oft-made and oft-refuted allegation that the Bush administration lied about WMD in Iraq, to the remarkable lack of interest in Mr. Obama's career in Illinois politics and the determined indifference to his wrongness about the surge, wide swaths of the media and the academy have concentrated on stoking passions rather than appealing to reason.

Some will speculate that the outbreak of hatred and euphoria in our politics is the result of the transformation of left-liberalism into a religion, its promulgation as dogma by our universities, and students' absorption of their professors' lesson of immoderation. This is unfair to religion.

At least it's unfair to those forms of biblical faith that teach that God's ways are hidden and mysterious, that all human beings are both deserving of respect and inherently flawed, and that it is idolatry to invest things of this world -- certainly the goods that can be achieved through politics -- with absolute value. Through these teachings, biblical faith encourages skepticism about grand claims to moral and political authority and an appreciation of the limits of one's knowledge, both of which well serve liberal democracy.

In contrast, by assembling and maintaining faculties that think alike about politics and think alike that the university curriculum must instill correct political opinions, our universities cultivate intellectual conformity and discourage the exercise of reason in public life. It is not that our universities invest the fundamental principles of liberalism with religious meaning -- after all the Declaration of Independence identifies a religious root of our freedom and equality. Rather, they infuse a certain progressive interpretation of our freedom and equality with sacred significance, zealously requiring not only outward obedience to its policy dictates but inner persuasion of the heart and mind. This transforms dissenters into apostates or heretics, and leaders into redeemers.

Consequently, though Bush hatred may weaken as the 43rd president minds his business back home in Texas, and while Obama euphoria may fade as the 44th president is compelled to immerse himself in the daunting ambiguities of power, our universities will continue to educate students to believe that hatred and euphoria reflect political wisdom. Urgent though the problem is, not even the efficient and responsible spending of a $1 trillion stimulus package would begin to address it.

Mr. Berkowitz is a senior fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution.
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Obama can not even be asked to provide what his supporters asked others to provide. Nor could he respond with grace and humility of the great office he holds...and end the matter swiftly.

Those who suffer from Bush hated/ Obama euphoria will not tolerate Obama being questioned in any way...though for 8 years with Bush and 4 years now with Palin...we have seen even the paternity of a married woman's child "questioned."...and that disabled child mocked in a Progressive blog that was a FINALIST for a Pulitzer prize.

But it was not "The One We Have Been Waiting For"... so any level of depraved cruelty is so hilarious or so ignored. It just didn't MOVE one to outrage to have a child mocked by adults on his Birthday.

But a question of documentation Obama's team demanded of others? OH THE INFAMY! STOP IT! Not just here...across the MSM.

I would like to have explained to me why a President who made transparency an issue with which to assail his opponent and a pedestal of praise for his new Presidency ...would not answer these questions (demanded of others) with a pride to display his convictions of character.

"Certainly. Here it is. I take PRIDE in responding."





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I'd like to add that Tony and Baldo have done everything possible on this Blog so that different political persuasions can coexist. The political threads are separate unto themselves. If any offend us, they are easily avoided. They are NOT left to be mixed in with the Hoax threads where one cannot avoid encountering them.

The areas of this Blog are clearly divided. So if anyone is offended...this is self-inflicted. Our eyes never need be sullied.

That is the RESPECT that Tony and Baldo show to each one of us. RESPECTING that courtesy in turn...is the real key here.
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This President could not wait to cash in on the tragic shooting of Rep. Giffords, including creating a campaign type memorial service with t-shirts. He and the press spent a lot of time talking about the vitriol in political discourse that was the root cause of the shooting, some even trying to blame Sarah Palin. Yet when a three year old child is mocked and scorned by a liberal blog, he and the press remain silent. It was people across this country who rose up and said enough is enough. I don't recall reading any posts by Kethra on the long thread written here about Wonkette nor hearing of any efforts on her part to take down advertisers. Members of LS are to be congratulated for the hard work they did, along with countless others while the press remained silent.
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I still don't get why Obama withheld this document for so long. We are not playing some poker game, it's for real. However he has played the withholding game since he started campaigning. Never has a candidate from either party in recent history hidden his records like Obama. I certainly have theories, but I don't know if they are true, so like Yogi I don't know where it goes.

How one handles the truth is an indication of the basic character of any person.

Politicians obfuscate, Leaders establish clear visions and clear out of the way barriers to accomplishments, not put them in the way.

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