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Topic Started: Apr 27 2011, 08:08 AM (6,875 Views)
Joan Foster

American presidents and their staff work for the American people, they are not monarchs with an inner court of priviliged nobles. President Obama has reminded all his predecessors of that simple fact, living up to a campaign promise to "nullify attempts to make the timely release of presidential records more difficult."

President Barack Obama, in his first full day in office, revoked a controversial executive order signed by President Bush in 2001 that limited release of former presidents’ records.

The new order could expand public access to records of President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney in the years to come as well as other past leaders, said Steven Aftergood, director of the Project on Government Secrecy at the Federation of American Scientists. …

Under Bush’s order, former presidents had broad ability to claim executive privilege and could designate others including family members who survive them to exercise executive privilege on their behalf.

Obama’s new order gives ex-presidents less leeway to withhold records, Aftergood said, and takes away the ability of presidents’ survivors to designate that privilege.

Separately, an Obama memorandum issued Wednesday also appears to effectively rescind a 2001 memo by President Bush’s then-Attorney Gen. John Ashcroft giving agencies broad legal cover to reject public disclosure requests.

http://crooksandliars.com/cernig/obama-overturns-bush-records-secrecy-order

NOW WHY WON"T HE RELEASE HIS OWN SCHOOL RECORDS? Hey Kethra? Where's the consistency? Where you swooning and drooling when you read how THE ONE was going to be so OIPEN?


Edited by Joan Foster, Apr 27 2011, 08:27 PM.
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Apr 27 2011, 08:02 PM
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Stop with the god damn conspiracy theory crap. It doesn't exist. His documents are real, too bad so sad for you folks.WHO CARES if when he was 20 he screwed up in So he doesn't want to wave his damn report cards around, who gives a crap. school, wow thats a revelation that I am SURE knowing that he screwed up as a kid like MOST OF US will solve the god damn war Bush got us into right? THAT WILL FIX IT ALL, right? That is going to fix our economy crap that has been barreling down on us for the past 20 odd years, that is going to fix all the crap that needs to get fixed, right? YOU GUYS KNOWING that when he was in school he screwed up (gasp) is going to fix all that.

When I was a recruit at Parris Island, MCRD,SC the drill instuctors told us that for us who graduated HS we have one success in life, for those who didn't, have a second chance. I was 18 and had graduated HS, and was told that completion of boot camp and becoming a US Marine was a step forward in life. Now I find out I could have bailed out of boot camp and have no consequences, what so ever. The POTUS screwed up at 20, had I done that I would have been court martialed. I am tired of hearing he was just a kid, I had to become an adult real fast when I joined the US Marines at 18, a week after HS graduation, I was at Parris Island, cutoff from everything. Now I hear excuses about the POTUS was only 20, what a joke.
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Apr 27 2011, 08:25 PM
American presidents and their staff work for the American people, they are not monarchs with an inner court of priviliged nobles. President Obama has reminded all his predecessors of that simple fact, living up to a campaign promise to "nullify attempts to make the timely release of presidential records more difficult."

President Barack Obama, in his first full day in office, revoked a controversial executive order signed by President Bush in 2001 that limited release of former presidents’ records.

The new order could expand public access to records of President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney in the years to come as well as other past leaders, said Steven Aftergood, director of the Project on Government Secrecy at the Federation of American Scientists. …

Under Bush’s order, former presidents had broad ability to claim executive privilege and could designate others including family members who survive them to exercise executive privilege on their behalf.

Obama’s new order gives ex-presidents less leeway to withhold records, Aftergood said, and takes away the ability of presidents’ survivors to designate that privilege.

Separately, an Obama memorandum issued Wednesday also appears to effectively rescind a 2001 memo by President Bush’s then-Attorney Gen. John Ashcroft giving agencies broad legal cover to reject public disclosure requests.

http://crooksandliars.com/cernig/obama-overturns-bush-records-secrecy-order

NOW WHY WON"T HE RELEASE HIS OWN SCHOOL RECORDS? Hey Kethra? Where's the consistency? Where you swooning and drooling when you read how THE ONE was going to be so OIPEN?


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Some good posts in this thread.

I think most would agree that it's not the grades - but his writings and the courses that are of interest.

How many grades are weighted by whether a Professor likes you - or not?

I believe Obama had to run as someone other than he is, in truth, in order to win. I think he lived a Lie - and benefited big time.


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Joan Foster

“One of President Obama’s first orders of business was to do away with an order of the previous Bush administration. It seemed that George Bush and his attorney general decided that their records should be kept secret and their business was none of yours. Bush put forth the Executive Order 13233 in 2001 that very few people bothered to object to notice that it became the murky and cagey mode of operation for George Bush and even former Presidents. The order included records of the archives, and refers to the Presidential Records Act and evokes Executive privilege over all matters of record. This was one of President Barack Obama’s first executive orders to revoke, repeal, remove and disallow the secretive rule that George Bush lived by in his administration. This is heralded by many as a positive move and illustrates that President Obama is following the Constitution after the catastrophic Bush Presidency.”

Read more about Obama's 1st Executive Order-Ban Bush Secrecy Act on:
http://www.politicolnews.com/obama-reverses-bush-secrecy-orders/?utm_source=INK&utm_medium=copy&utm_campaign=share&

How Fabulous, huh, Kethra! Then why all the secrecy about his past? Why make citizens WAIT two years for the long certificate?

It's OUR BUSINESS, right? So let's see those grades too.

Let's be consistent.
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Joan Foster

January 22, 2009

President Barack Obama signalled that open access to information will be a top priority for his administration on January 21, 2009, his first full day in office.
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Apr 27 2011, 08:02 PM
To you folks who responded to me,

Obama NEVER made this an issue, stupid woo woo tin foil hat wearers did. He released his birth certificate, the same one that I have, that Bush has, that 90% of all people have in this country. But NO, that wasn't good enough for the woo woo morons. Why? Because "we don't like him". Good reason that.

The form he released for those of you who are apparently CLUELESS about long form certificates, are folded because uh well they are long (mutters stupid morons under my breath). AFRICAN was used as a descriptor from the early 1700's until the 1980's as a descriptor of someone from, well, Africa. They are NOT negros, they are Africans. Go ask them what they call themselves. His father, since he was not a Negro (american black at the time), he was um well, African. Wow, logic shattering right?

Keep over thinking the obvious since it shows nothing but absolute stupidity. Instead of assuming, which is all I am seeing happen here, DO THE RESEARCH. As a professional genealogist (yes I do that too), I look at these kinds of forms ALL. THE. TIME.

The really sad part is this, you are all predictable. I told friends today, that I bet when I logged in here I would find this crap going on. This man could give you guys freekin video and it wouldn't be good enough. Pathetic, really truly pathetic.

What Hawaii has done in controlling original source documents is NOT illegal. Most of this was instituted several years ago when identity theft became rampant. There is not a state I know of that will allow anyone to just stroll up and ask to see the long form documents if the date is less than 100 years. After 100 years they become public record. SOME states will allow the marriage documents to be public after 50 years, some and SOME states STILL won't allow you to see ANY long form birth, death or marriage documents UNLESS you can show good cause. The reason? For one it contains information that is PRIVATE. like Physician's names, addresses ect that are frankly NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. It also lets you know ALL the information you need to steal an identity. California is ever stricter with their original source documents, I know, I pay a lot of money to get my hands on some of them for my research.

Jesus christ people, stop it. Just stop. The question of Natural Born WAS and IS settled, he was born in the United States but you guys just don't like the answer. All you folks want is to find a way to tear Obama down. This is your sandbox to do it in. Have fun, because obviously you could care less what the truth is. All you care is that it isn't the truth you want.

What is truly sad is I don't care for him as a President, but I will vote against anyone who is supported by people who believe in this woo woo crap and continue to destroy and divide this country over bullshit that has zero meaning in reality. MOST of the people I know will flat vote against any candidate who supports this continued nonsense.

Stop with the god damn conspiracy theory crap. It doesn't exist. His documents are real, too bad so sad for you folks.WHO CARES if when he was 20 he screwed up in So he doesn't want to wave his damn report cards around, who gives a crap. school, wow thats a revelation that I am SURE knowing that he screwed up as a kid like MOST OF US will solve the god damn war Bush got us into right? THAT WILL FIX IT ALL, right? That is going to fix our economy crap that has been barreling down on us for the past 20 odd years, that is going to fix all the crap that needs to get fixed, right? YOU GUYS KNOWING that when he was in school he screwed up (gasp) is going to fix all that.

Can you guys spell Petty? I am sure you can, you can spell just about anything else in your vitriolic, unreasonable, non-factual, biased and blatantly tabloid level of hatred these pages have displayed for this president. I have seen attacks on his kids in these forums for heaven's sake.

STOP IT. Oh I know you will justify it to yourselves, go ahead, I won't bother to read your crap, because wasted crap is all it is.

Take care LS. I am sad to see you all stoop to this level of hatred. Really sad
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I am getting old. I never knew woo woo had a meaning until I looked it up. I thought at first Kendra meant wee wee as in "wee-wee'd up."
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If you believe , truly believe that open access is a moral imperative...and you work for the people, then you have an obligation to that in the fullest.

You have the proper long certificate: you are humble and consistent enough to release it.

You try to live by YOUR own words..especially when you and your party sat on that moral high horse and lambasted others.
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The Venom for Donald Trump tonight is really something.

Had on an FM Talk show - and they want Trump's head.


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Apr 27 2011, 08:51 PM
Joan Foster
Apr 27 2011, 08:02 PM
To you folks who responded to me,

Obama NEVER made this an issue, stupid woo woo tin foil hat wearers did. He released his birth certificate, the same one that I have, that Bush has, that 90% of all people have in this country. But NO, that wasn't good enough for the woo woo morons. Why? Because "we don't like him". Good reason that.

The form he released for those of you who are apparently CLUELESS about long form certificates, are folded because uh well they are long (mutters stupid morons under my breath). AFRICAN was used as a descriptor from the early 1700's until the 1980's as a descriptor of someone from, well, Africa. They are NOT negros, they are Africans. Go ask them what they call themselves. His father, since he was not a Negro (american black at the time), he was um well, African. Wow, logic shattering right?

Keep over thinking the obvious since it shows nothing but absolute stupidity. Instead of assuming, which is all I am seeing happen here, DO THE RESEARCH. As a professional genealogist (yes I do that too), I look at these kinds of forms ALL. THE. TIME.

The really sad part is this, you are all predictable. I told friends today, that I bet when I logged in here I would find this crap going on. This man could give you guys freekin video and it wouldn't be good enough. Pathetic, really truly pathetic.

What Hawaii has done in controlling original source documents is NOT illegal. Most of this was instituted several years ago when identity theft became rampant. There is not a state I know of that will allow anyone to just stroll up and ask to see the long form documents if the date is less than 100 years. After 100 years they become public record. SOME states will allow the marriage documents to be public after 50 years, some and SOME states STILL won't allow you to see ANY long form birth, death or marriage documents UNLESS you can show good cause. The reason? For one it contains information that is PRIVATE. like Physician's names, addresses ect that are frankly NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. It also lets you know ALL the information you need to steal an identity. California is ever stricter with their original source documents, I know, I pay a lot of money to get my hands on some of them for my research.

Jesus christ people, stop it. Just stop. The question of Natural Born WAS and IS settled, he was born in the United States but you guys just don't like the answer. All you folks want is to find a way to tear Obama down. This is your sandbox to do it in. Have fun, because obviously you could care less what the truth is. All you care is that it isn't the truth you want.

What is truly sad is I don't care for him as a President, but I will vote against anyone who is supported by people who believe in this woo woo crap and continue to destroy and divide this country over bullshit that has zero meaning in reality. MOST of the people I know will flat vote against any candidate who supports this continued nonsense.

Stop with the god damn conspiracy theory crap. It doesn't exist. His documents are real, too bad so sad for you folks.WHO CARES if when he was 20 he screwed up in So he doesn't want to wave his damn report cards around, who gives a crap. school, wow thats a revelation that I am SURE knowing that he screwed up as a kid like MOST OF US will solve the god damn war Bush got us into right? THAT WILL FIX IT ALL, right? That is going to fix our economy crap that has been barreling down on us for the past 20 odd years, that is going to fix all the crap that needs to get fixed, right? YOU GUYS KNOWING that when he was in school he screwed up (gasp) is going to fix all that.

Can you guys spell Petty? I am sure you can, you can spell just about anything else in your vitriolic, unreasonable, non-factual, biased and blatantly tabloid level of hatred these pages have displayed for this president. I have seen attacks on his kids in these forums for heaven's sake.

STOP IT. Oh I know you will justify it to yourselves, go ahead, I won't bother to read your crap, because wasted crap is all it is.

Take care LS. I am sad to see you all stoop to this level of hatred. Really sad
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SAY WHAT

WOO-WOO ?

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Imagine if you had one of these nightly hour long shows - like Greta, for instance, and Trump comes out and in about 3 weeks forces a Birth Certificate from Owebama.

How many of these shows are just mailing it in - and reading the talking points?

Sad.

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Birther = Racist


This is what the Media wanted.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theticket/20110427/ts_yblog_theticket/birth-certificate-wont-end-race-related-attacks-on-the-president

How do they manage to get quotes from Jesse Jackson and not ask him about the claims of Sexual Harassment by his (male) employees or his son's ethics problems?

Vexing.

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Mason
Apr 27 2011, 09:36 PM
Birther = Racist


This is what the Media wanted.

Birtherist response highlights racial undertones of ‘debate’


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"...since the Constitution stipulates that anyone not born in the United States is not eligible to be president."

What the WHAT!? lol
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Obama Birth Certificate Scam? 2011-04-27 Obama.mp4
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Sorry to see so many emotions in discussion here!

The Democratic party, behind the candidate they campaigned for – Obama - made “natural born” an issue when they went after McCain …so there are the ‘tin hats’.

The certificate he first released was also the same certificate obtained for a WWII Japanese officer that was never in Hawaii …FWIW, either BC.

The question brought up that would relate to “folded” came about because of the way the outline paper is in place around the document. I saw it in a linked article, but can’t recall if anyone here claimed it meant anything other than a question of why it was that way.

What Hawaii did in stating access to “long forms” was denied to ALL was not legal, and the state law was quoted here.

“The question of Natural Born” is not a question that is settled, but that wouldn’t alter whether or not Obama is qualified until it is settled. Of course I base that on what legal scholars have said in their efforts to show claims made against Obama, for having a non-citizen African father, was not “natural born” (on Obama's side IOW).

This “god damn conspiracy theory crap” has close to a couple million dollars of Obama’s campaign funding having paid to keep it going in the courts

…which brings up that a few courts have said the BC Obama’s staff first produced was not proof he was born in Hawaii, but those courts would not allow anyone to have a copy of the original produced to the courts …said none had a standing to get it or something like that.

Looks to me like the evidence was he was born in Hawaii ...unless THAT is proved to be false ...so it is likely not to be an issue that would keep him from holding the office.
Edited by kbp, Apr 27 2011, 11:11 PM.
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MikeZPU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eOfYwYyS_c

Oh my gosh, RT, thanks for sharing!

This guy is exactly right -- there are some serious issues with the document
that was released purporting to be Obama's long form birth certificate.

This makes total sense, as there would be no reason why Obama would
not have released this sooner.
Edited by MikeZPU, Apr 27 2011, 11:14 PM.
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