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Obama releases long form Birth Cert.; alrighty then.
Topic Started: Apr 27 2011, 08:08 AM (6,868 Views)
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From what I have been reading someone has filed a complaint with the Justice Department claiming the BC released in April is a forgery. The chance of that complaint moving forward is nil, IMO. I believe that next year will be the critical year for the BC issue and if Obama loses any ground in the forgery issue he could be out or just withdraw from the race. I am still curious what will happen on Sept 14th when the head of the Honolulu department of health has to appear in court, to explain why she did not comply with a court order. My most optimistic view, is that the whole election of Obama is a fraud, Biden knew all along, that is why he was pick for VP and Obama is driven from office and to jail, along with Biden. Boehner then becomes POTUS until the next election.

All speculation, but probably the best thing to happen to this country in its' history.
Edited by retiredLEO, Aug 19 2011, 06:51 PM.
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Even if all regarding Obama's BC issue is about as bad as you can imagine, short of him being born in Kenya, we need to remember that there does not appear to be case law that completely covers a situation like that.

They tell us that 2 citizen parents covers it, but nothing specifically telling us that 1 citizen parent doesn't qualify him. My guess is if the case were to tried in court, they'd say the law is that 2 citizen parents are necessary, but such would only apply to future elections.
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kbp
Aug 19 2011, 07:20 PM
Even if all regarding Obama's BC issue is about as bad as you can imagine, short of him being born in Kenya, we need to remember that there does not appear to be case law that completely covers a situation like that.

They tell us that 2 citizen parents covers it, but nothing specifically telling us that 1 citizen parent doesn't qualify him. My guess is if the case were to tried in court, they'd say the law is that 2 citizen parents are necessary, but such would only apply to future elections.
So I assume that would include Obama in 2012. Also in 1961, you had to have a required number of year as an adult citizen to pass on citizenship and his mother didn't meet the standards. Perhaps they will go PC and change the laws to appease Obama.
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retiredLEO
Aug 19 2011, 07:58 PM
kbp
Aug 19 2011, 07:20 PM
Even if all regarding Obama's BC issue is about as bad as you can imagine, short of him being born in Kenya, we need to remember that there does not appear to be case law that completely covers a situation like that.

They tell us that 2 citizen parents covers it, but nothing specifically telling us that 1 citizen parent doesn't qualify him. My guess is if the case were to tried in court, they'd say the law is that 2 citizen parents are necessary, but such would only apply to future elections.
So I assume that would include Obama in 2012. Also in 1961, you had to have a required number of year as an adult citizen to pass on citizenship and his mother didn't meet the standards. Perhaps they will go PC and change the laws to appease Obama.
You lost me there! Are you saying his mother was not a citizen?
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No, he's saying she was too young, at the time, to pass on citizenship as the only citizen parent.
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kbp
Aug 19 2011, 09:01 PM
retiredLEO
Aug 19 2011, 07:58 PM
kbp
Aug 19 2011, 07:20 PM
Even if all regarding Obama's BC issue is about as bad as you can imagine, short of him being born in Kenya, we need to remember that there does not appear to be case law that completely covers a situation like that.

They tell us that 2 citizen parents covers it, but nothing specifically telling us that 1 citizen parent doesn't qualify him. My guess is if the case were to tried in court, they'd say the law is that 2 citizen parents are necessary, but such would only apply to future elections.
So I assume that would include Obama in 2012. Also in 1961, you had to have a required number of year as an adult citizen to pass on citizenship and his mother didn't meet the standards. Perhaps they will go PC and change the laws to appease Obama.
You lost me there! Are you saying his mother was not a citizen?
Barack Obama is not legally a U.S. Natural-born citizen according to the law on the books at the time of his birth, which falls between “December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986? . Presidential office requires a natural-born citizen if the child was not born to two U.S. Citizen parents, which of course is what exempts John McCain though he was born in the Panama Canal. US Law very clearly stipulates: “…If only one parent was a U.S. Citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.” Barack Obama’s father was not a U.S. Citizen and Obama’s mother was only 18 when Obama was born, which means though she had been a U.S. Citizen for 10 years, (or citizen perhaps because of Hawai’i being a territory) the mother fails the test for being so for at least 5 years **prior to** Barack Obama’s birth, but *after* age 16. It doesn’t matter *after* . In essence, she was not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. Citizenship. At most, there were only 2 years elapsed since his mother turned 16 at the time of Barack Obama’s birth when she was 18 in Hawai’i. His mother would have needed to have been 16+5= 21 years old, at the time of Barack Obama’s birth for him to have been a natural-born citizen. As aformentioned, she was a young college student at the time and was not. Barack Obama was already 3 years old at that time his mother would have needed to have waited to have him as the only U.S. Cizen parent. Obama instead should have been naturalized, but even then, that would still disqualify him from holding the office.

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Do you know what law that was?


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Is the person making these claims changing position on why Obama is ineligible?

Is it because of X then and because of Y now? If so, I smell a Scam.


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kbp
Aug 21 2011, 05:57 PM
Do you know what law that was?


It is somewhere in the Immigration code, 301(g), that is all I could find, but some people mentioned 5 years from the age of 14 and some mentioned 5 years from the age of 16, either way Obama's mother only 18.

I found this:

http://genealogy.about.com/b/2008/08/30/is-barack-obama-really-a-us-citizen.htm
Edited by retiredLEO, Aug 21 2011, 07:08 PM.
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Aug 21 2011, 06:59 PM
kbp
Aug 21 2011, 05:57 PM
Do you know what law that was?


It is somewhere in the Immigration code, 301(g), that is all I could find, but some people mentioned 5 years from the age of 14 and some mentioned 5 years from the age of 16, either way Obama's mother only 18.

I found this:

http://genealogy.about.com/b/2008/08/30/is-barack-obama-really-a-us-citizen.htm
Thanks for trying!

The only thing I had been able to find left me thinking it had something to do with a child born to a US citizen while in another nation. I'm not clear on where it came from or if it actually applies. Haven't seen any lawsuits using this "law".
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I'm sorry if I spread my confusion on the SS case for Obama in a couple posts. This Orly Taitz has more than just one case going on and it's getting harder to track which case is which.

The ruling yesterday is evidently from the Federal case she has against the SS Administration for not sharing a redacted document with her that is evidently available quite often.

The ruling there was quite confusing itself. The judge ruled she was NOT seeking the public information for the same reasons that would make it public, even going so far as to conclude the the information she obtained that was used to determine which SS# she seeks the public information for was obtained under "false pretenses".

I recall something about the date of birth or issue as being a part that is not redacted in the information Taitz requested from the SS Administration.

If I'm catching this correctly, the Secret Service info with the SS# Obama uses on it was allegedly obtained under false pretenses ...along with some other info used to confirm which state the card would have been issued to and a couple other bits I can't remember.

As I understand it, this was the federal case which led to the subpeona to see the original BC refused in Hawaii and led to a Federal court there. Since the SS case is open to some sort of review before it is closed completely, Hawaii had to leave the subpeona case open also.

There has been mention of a state case in Hawaii also, but I'm not sure what it is. Sorta looks like PacMan, bumping deadends in the maze.


Now the GOOD news!

The case is back on Drudge...

Judge rules on Obama's Social Security Number

The article is not entirely clear for someone that has even followed the case as I have (off & on). The video is good, worth the little time needed to watch it ..less than 3 minutes.
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I forgot to quote what the judge said!

"“Her vehement allegations of fraud consist of mere ‘bare suspicion(s)‘ and thus fail to satisfy the public interest standard required under FOIA,” he wrote."

This is where the "false pretenses" evidently changed the rules!
Edited by kbp, Aug 31 2011, 07:27 PM.
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Aug 31 2011, 07:14 PM
I'm sorry if I spread my confusion on the SS case for Obama in a couple posts. This Orly Taitz has more than just one case going on and it's getting harder to track which case is which.

The ruling yesterday is evidently from the Federal case she has against the SS Administration for not sharing a redacted document with her that is evidently available quite often.

The ruling there was quite confusing itself. The judge ruled she was NOT seeking the public information for the same reasons that would make it public, even going so far as to conclude the the information she obtained that was used to determine which SS# she seeks the public information for was obtained under "false pretenses".

I recall something about the date of birth or issue as being a part that is not redacted in the information Taitz requested from the SS Administration.

If I'm catching this correctly, the Secret Service info with the SS# Obama uses on it was allegedly obtained under false pretenses ...along with some other info used to confirm which state the card would have been issued to and a couple other bits I can't remember.

As I understand it, this was the federal case which led to the subpeona to see the original BC refused in Hawaii and led to a Federal court there. Since the SS case is open to some sort of review before it is closed completely, Hawaii had to leave the subpeona case open also.

There has been mention of a state case in Hawaii also, but I'm not sure what it is. Sorta looks like PacMan, bumping deadends in the maze.


Now the GOOD news!

The case is back on Drudge...

Judge rules on Obama's Social Security Number

The article is not entirely clear for someone that has even followed the case as I have (off & on). The video is good, worth the little time needed to watch it ..less than 3 minutes.
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This sums it up, I thought:



"He (the Judge) concluded that there's no real interest in determining whether the Obama Social Security Number is genuine or fraudulent, arguing that the need for privacy for the president trumps all else."


The Court has no interest in determing whether Obama's Social Security Number is genuine or fraudulent.

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Edited by Mason, Aug 31 2011, 11:12 PM.
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Mason
Aug 31 2011, 11:11 PM
kbp
Aug 31 2011, 07:14 PM
I'm sorry if I spread my confusion on the SS case for Obama in a couple posts. This Orly Taitz has more than just one case going on and it's getting harder to track which case is which.

The ruling yesterday is evidently from the Federal case she has against the SS Administration for not sharing a redacted document with her that is evidently available quite often.

The ruling there was quite confusing itself. The judge ruled she was NOT seeking the public information for the same reasons that would make it public, even going so far as to conclude the the information she obtained that was used to determine which SS# she seeks the public information for was obtained under "false pretenses".

I recall something about the date of birth or issue as being a part that is not redacted in the information Taitz requested from the SS Administration.

If I'm catching this correctly, the Secret Service info with the SS# Obama uses on it was allegedly obtained under false pretenses ...along with some other info used to confirm which state the card would have been issued to and a couple other bits I can't remember.

As I understand it, this was the federal case which led to the subpeona to see the original BC refused in Hawaii and led to a Federal court there. Since the SS case is open to some sort of review before it is closed completely, Hawaii had to leave the subpeona case open also.

There has been mention of a state case in Hawaii also, but I'm not sure what it is. Sorta looks like PacMan, bumping deadends in the maze.


Now the GOOD news!

The case is back on Drudge...

Judge rules on Obama's Social Security Number

The article is not entirely clear for someone that has even followed the case as I have (off & on). The video is good, worth the little time needed to watch it ..less than 3 minutes.
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This sums it up, I thought:



"He (the Judge) concluded that there's no real interest in determining whether the Obama Social Security Number is genuine or fraudulent, arguing that the need for privacy for the president trumps all else."


The Court has no interest in determing whether Obama's Social Security Number is genuine or fraudulent.

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:laughin:

It really is a hoot just following this. The judge did not just tell her she was "lucky", he wrote it in his OPINION (bottom of Page 1)

"...As her numerous filings with the Court demonstrate, plaintiff will stop at nothing to get to the bottom of this alleged conspiracy. Unfortunately for plaintiff, today is not her lucky day."

So now it has been concluded; the redacted record is an invasion of Barry's privacy if the SS# is his and it's an invasion of Barry's privacy if it is NOT his!
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CERTIFIGATE

E-Verify 'flags' Obama's Social Security Number


System crunches prez's data, determines 'likely fraudulent'

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Posted: September 12, 2011
8:14 pm Eastern


By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2011 WND









A private investigation reveals that the Social Security Number being used by Barack Obama does not pass a check with E-Verify, the electronic system the U.S. Citizenship and Immigrations Services of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security has created to verify whether or not prospective employees have the required authorization to work legally in the United States.

Over the past few years, the E-Verify system has received national attention because of its ability to determine if prospective employees are illegal immigrants who have entered the United States without the legal authority to work.

Autographed copies of Jerome Corsi's "Where’s the Birth Certificate?" are available only from the WND Superstore

By flagging fraudulent documents, including faked Social Security Numbers, the E-Verify system can assist an employer in the effort to make sure all prospective hires have authentic identification papers, including valid Social Security Numbers, issued to them and not to someone else.

(Story continues below)


Read more: E-Verify 'flags' Obama's Social Security Number http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=344461#ixzz1XqUeiUE3
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