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CGM's boyfriend died.; RIP Reginald Daye
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On that score, for those who were saying, "She didn't kill him; she just stabbed him. He died at Duke. Maybe Duke killed him. this informational video might help.


Who was in charge of the study, Dr. Potti?


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I know we are all waiting for the Mahrud Event(Durham spelled backwards), but i don't care what happened before. She is in BIg Trouble. A Man is dead and she is alledged to have stabbed him 7 times.

Anyway you cut it a Jury will want to know why, even in Durham.
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Apr 16 2011, 01:02 AM
I know we are all waiting for the Mahrud Event(Durham spelled backwards), but i don't care what happened before. She is in BIg Trouble. A Man is dead and she is alledged to have stabbed him 7 times.

Anyway you cut it a Jury will want to know why, even in Durham.
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Yes, but she was a Good Mother 4 short months ago.

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Apr 16 2011, 01:02 AM
I know we are all waiting for the Mahrud Event(Durham spelled backwards), but i don't care what happened before. She is in BIg Trouble. A Man is dead and she is alledged to have stabbed him 7 times.

Anyway you cut it a Jury will want to know why, even in Durham.
Let us imagine for a moment, a competent prosecutor presenting the scenario of Daye being attacked to a jury. The competent prosecutor would be standing before the jury, the knife entered in evidence in hand, thrusting it savagely seven times into an object, while describing the moment of the act of murder using the timeline as entered in testimony. That, done properly would awaken any sleeping jury to the evil that occurred that night.
Is there a competent prosecutor or Judge in all of Durham county????
We haven't seen one in six years, expect no miracles.
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Apr 15 2011, 11:03 PM
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Apr 15 2011, 09:26 PM
What if an infection occurred that was life threatening as a result of the stabbing, does that mean that he didn't die of the original wound. He would not have had the infection were it not for the original stab wounds. This is straining a gnat in my opinion.
We are talking DUHS so an infection could very well have killed the late and insufficiently lamented Reginald Daye. So too some bad brake fluid or maybe someone gave him the wrong medications. But, intervening cause does not defeat the charge of murder or even manslaughter. First year Criminal Law exam question. There's probably a pattern jury instruction on it.

Walt-in-Durham
If the autopsy shows an infection Crystal created within his body was to have been the cause of his death, would Crystal be guilty if that infection had nothing to do with the stabbing?

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Just kiddin'
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Apr 15 2011, 03:05 PM
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Apr 15 2011, 02:19 PM
What if ole Woody just goes with the tried and true insanity plea? Would anyone in Durham disagree that she is insane? She then spends a couple of years in an institution, has a remarkable recovery and is back working the streets.

There was a report about an argument starting at a cook out she and her boyfriend attended. I wonder if any of these witnesses will step up and talk about that evening.
North Carolina follows the M'Naghten rule: "Every man is to be presumed to be sane, and ... that to establish a defense on the ground of insanity, it must be clearly proved that, at the time of the committing of the act, the party accused was laboring under such a defect of reason, from disease of mind, and not to know the nature and quality of the act he was doing; or if he did know it, that he did not know he was doing what was wrong."

It is a lot more than just getting a jury to believe Crystal was crazy. The test is she had such a defect of reason from disease of the mind that she did not know the nature and quality of the act or if she did know, she she did not know it is wrong. Here, we have to wait for the investigation and the proof to come in. But, let me say that NGRI (not guilty by reason of insanity) is a difficult defense to prove. Woody will have to find an expert to examine Crystal and make a diagnosis found in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders IV and the expert will have to testify that the identified disease manifests in Crystal in such a way that she either does not know what she was doing or does not know right from wrong. Not an easy task.

Under practice in our courts, a defendant asserting the insanity defense puts her mental condition at issue. Thus, the constitutions of the United States and North Carolina allow the prosecution to examine the defendant for purpose of defending against the insanity defense. What that means is, Crystal would have to waiver her Fourth Amendment right to be free from self-incrimination. It is the rare defendant in this state, or any other that will do that.

Walt-in-Durham
Walt, If this is the case, how come Cooper decided on his own not to pursue charges without getting an expert opinion on Crystal's insanity? Maybe Cline can do the same. She can say that Crystal keeps on believing her changing stories, so they cannot charge her.
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Apr 15 2011, 09:39 PM
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Apr 15 2011, 06:32 PM
Latest.......

The charges will NOT be upgraded until the autopsy comes back.

jmoo- they want to know if cardiac arrest kill him or was his death a result of the stabbing.

Help me out here LS lawyers.

If he did die of cardiac arrest.........whats next?

My question would be what was meant by "life suport?"

No brain waves?
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After emergency surgery did he go to the ICU where a respirator is routinely used. Patients are kept in a drug induced coma to prevent the patient from fighting the respirator and trying to pull the tubes out.

IIRC, he had 3 cardiac arrests?
[pure speculation] The family may have decided to change his status to 'Do Not Resucitate.' The respirator would be disconnected and nature would take it's course (not always predictable). I wonder how long it was from the time he was disconnected and when he passed.



Daye might have had those three cardiac arrests because he was taken off life support three times. IOW, attempts were made to take him off life support only to have to return him to life support. Finally it was decided to keep him off life support and then he died. Did his EKG flat-line after taking him off life support? Is that what is meant by cardiac arrest?
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Apr 15 2011, 08:36 PM
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Multiple physical problems can occur when someone is injured and on their back in a hospital setting day, after day, after day.

He didn't have any heart attacks in the 10 days prior to stabbing attack, just saying.


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Even if Daye had an underlying heart condition, he could have lived many years with it. The stabbing would still be the reason he died.
Edited by foxglove, Apr 16 2011, 08:18 AM.
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Apr 15 2011, 09:12 PM
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This is what has been reported, by at least one outlet:

"Daye has been on life support at Duke Hospital since the April 3rd stabbing."



You know, man gets bit by Cobra dies 28 hours later of cardiac arrest.

Why do I suspect this is a big PR / Jury tampering episode?



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If Daye had been on life support from the beginning, it could mean he was essentially already dead and just being kept alive with life support.
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Apr 14 2011, 08:14 AM
LOOKEE HERE!

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Posted by Cicero2 on April 14, 2011 - 7:43 a.m.

The Friends of Crystal Mangum raised concerns early about the conflict in interest of Duke Hospital in medically treating this alleged victim of Ms. Mangum. They suggested that due to the University being subject to major civil liability that the alleged victim should be transferred elsewhere and treated. The organization is saddened at this lost of life.
As a physician who does consults at a med surg hospital, it is not so easy to transfer patients. Just think of some of the issues. Does the patient or his family want the transfer or do they want to stay where they are? Is there a receiving facility that is willing to accept the patient? If you were the receiving facility, would you want to accept the patient? If you were a member of Mr. Daye's family would you want him transferred from DUMC? I think not. What's his insurance? Is the receiving facility capable of caring the patient? Do they offer something Duke doesn’t? My first question would be if I was the receiving facility is why do you want to transfer this patient? I am always a skeptic. I would be cautious not to accept a patient that was being "dumped" on me for the wrong reasons. Was Mr. Daye even capable of being safely transported? Would DUMC say that they were transferring him because they were not capable of providing the services he needed? There are ETMALA provisions of The COBRA law that protect us from being transferred to another medical facility without being first medically stabilized for the wrong reasons.

I would tend to believe, that the doctors involved in Mr. Daye's care would have preferred not to be involved, since there may even be the possibility they could be called into court to have to testify. It is not something most physicians want to do.
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Apr 16 2011, 08:13 AM
Mason
Apr 15 2011, 09:12 PM
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This is what has been reported, by at least one outlet:

"Daye has been on life support at Duke Hospital since the April 3rd stabbing."



You know, man gets bit by Cobra dies 28 hours later of cardiac arrest.

Why do I suspect this is a big PR / Jury tampering episode?



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If Daye had been on life support from the beginning, it could mean he was essentially already dead and just being kept alive with life support.
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Apr 16 2011, 08:13 AM
Mason
Apr 15 2011, 09:12 PM
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This is what has been reported, by at least one outlet:

"Daye has been on life support at Duke Hospital since the April 3rd stabbing."



You know, man gets bit by Cobra dies 28 hours later of cardiac arrest.

Why do I suspect this is a big PR / Jury tampering episode?



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If Daye had been on life support from the beginning, it could mean he was essentially already dead and just being kept alive with life support.
That is why I asked if it was life support because of a flat EEG or was he on a respirator like 90% of those in ICU.

One prolongs life after brain death. One supports life when there is still a chance (no matter how small) for some type of recovery. The devil is in the details.

The cardiac arrests could have happened while on the respirator. After the 3rd code, the family could have decided he has suffered enough, changed him to a DNR, disconnected the respirator and he may have coded again resulting in his death.

Make no mistake, in my non-legal mind he died as a resut of being stabbed 7 times. It would make no difference if he bled to death before the EMTs arrived or (as in this case) after medical intervention was unsuccessful.

I am trying to see how Woody might try to play this. Daye was able to talk to LE after the stabbing if reports are true. The narrative might be something like "Daye was alert sfter the stabbing. He was able to go to his nephew's apartment. He was able to talk to the cops. It was only after his admission to DUMC that Reginald Daye's status changed. Blah. Blah. Blah" He will put DUMC on trial.

If he takes that route think of who he wants on the jury.
By the time jury selection comes around the jury pool will not just be tainted, it wil be polluted. Onondaga Lake polluted.
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Could 7 stab wounds = premeditation? Seems to me there have been cases where premeditation was found to have occurred during the course of the actions that resulted in the death, no?

eta - in other words, it is my understanding that premeditation doesn't require a great amount of thinking/time, can be just a short period of time when the accused has time to consider the effect of their actions.
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Apr 16 2011, 08:54 AM
Could 7 stab wounds = premeditation? Seems to me there have been cases where premeditation was found to have occurred during the course of the actions that resulted in the death, no?
This is why the first, earlier visit by the cops is important, I think. We need to know what happened and what what said by whom.
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Apr 16 2011, 01:53 AM
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Apr 16 2011, 01:02 AM
I know we are all waiting for the Mahrud Event(Durham spelled backwards), but i don't care what happened before. She is in BIg Trouble. A Man is dead and she is alledged to have stabbed him 7 times.

Anyway you cut it a Jury will want to know why, even in Durham.
Let us imagine for a moment, a competent prosecutor presenting the scenario of Daye being attacked to a jury. The competent prosecutor would be standing before the jury, the knife entered in evidence in hand, thrusting it savagely seven times into an object, while describing the moment of the act of murder using the timeline as entered in testimony. That, done properly would awaken any sleeping jury to the evil that occurred that night.
Is there a competent prosecutor or Judge in all of Durham county????
We haven't seen one in six years, expect no miracles.
This sounds like a job for N.C.'s favorite son, John Edwards. He could channel your argument right to a conviction.
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