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CGM's boyfriend died.; RIP Reginald Daye
Topic Started: Apr 13 2011, 07:30 PM (23,357 Views)
Bill Anderson
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I'm still waiting for Sidney to chime in. How much do you want to bet he will claim that the lacrosse team was responsible for this because Crystal still is in trauma after being raped?

Sidney is capable of writing a lot of things, but the truth is not one of them.

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Joan Foster

Thee are times, when just for a moment, I wonder if Sydney really believes the stuff he writes. Or if he isn't just a lonely old man who has found a way to get 150 plus comments on his Blogposts and plenty of attention.
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Mason
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So, if Durham is tired of Crystal, do you think they would replace one councilmen that sided with her in an election?

Would they replace one elected official in Durham?

Would they support the Old City Mgr if they reversed his promotion and put him back in his job?

Would it interrupt Mayor Bell's status as Mayor for Life?

How about Tracey Cline? Would she win election today and would the local Papers clamor for her reelection?

I'm not so sure much has changed.







Edited by Mason, Apr 15 2011, 11:43 AM.
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Looks like police and DA's are waiting for medical records (i.e., autopsy) before upgrading charges. (Sorry if this has been posted - I've been trying to catch up).

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=8074918

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The DA's office tells ABC11 that they have not met with police yet to discuss upgrading Mangum's charges. Her attorney says the medical report may be holding things up.


"Her demeanor was subdued as you would expect she's in custody for what was a serious offense which has now gotten extremely serious," Mangum's attorney Woody Vann said.
While Durham police say they do anticipate upgrading Mangum's charges, there's no telling when that will happen.

Mangum's attorney says they may be waiting on an autopsy.

"I know there was some concern and it's just a general one that it will be a considerable length of time before we get a report from the medical examiner just due to the backlog in that office," Vann said. "I'm not saying they will necessarily wait to get the medical examiners report before they determine whether or not they determine to go forward with the new charges, but it's something they keep in mind."

Mangum has said she feels she has been treated unfairly by Durham police ever since she falsely accused three Duke Lacrosse players of rape.

Her supporters say they hope this latest twist is handled by the book.
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Mason
Apr 15 2011, 11:40 AM
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So, if Durham is tired of Crystal, do you think they would replace one councilmen that sided with her in an election?

Would they replace one elected official in Durham?

Would they support the Old City Mgr if they reversed his promotion and put him back in his job?

Would it interrupt Mayor Bell's status as Mayor for Life?

How about Tracey Cline? Would she win election today and would the local Papers clamor for her reelection?

I'm not so sure much has changed.







I basically agree. After all, it's only been a few months since the deceased seemed to think that it was a plus to be connected with THE Crystal Mangum.

I also agree with Buddy. At best, there will be a half-hearted attempt at prosecution before a judge willing to facilitate getting her out of the headlines. Thus, she will serve less time than anyone else would under the circumstances. Which is why I concluded earlier that she will be back on the streets somewhere down the road and will likely kill somebody else.

But regardless, after all of what has transpired lately, the knowledge base outside of Durham will contain the fact that she is dangerous, a liar, and nuts in some degree. Some jury will be listening closely to the answers of the cops when asked "did you ever suspect that she was lying or unstable, and when?" It is the question with no good answer, and so there will be a happy result for the plaintiffs.
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Mangum's attorney says they may be waiting on an autopsy.

"I know there was some concern and it's just a general one that it will be a considerable length of time before we get a report from the medical examiner just due to the backlog in that office," Vann said. "I'm not saying they will necessarily wait to get the medical examiners report before they determine whether or not they determine to go forward with the new charges, but it's something they keep in mind."


Ah, so maybe Quincy will say he didn't die from the stab wounds, but from a pre-existing condition (so that the stab wounds
may have been contributory in that they increased stress, but they were not determinative).

ETA: in how many other cases of this type do the authorities wait for the medical reports to come back before
increasing the charges?


Edited by Quasimodo, Apr 15 2011, 12:52 PM.
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maggief

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Her supporters say they hope this latest twist is handled by the book.


TWIST?! There is nothing unexpected in the continuing downward spiral, that is the life of CGM.

And, yes, we all hope her charges are handled by the book, unlike the preferential treatment she's be shown in the past. It's quite unlinkely, though. Her Durham enablers will see to it.

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kbp

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Apr 15 2011, 09:37 AM
If Woody can control his client (big if) there will be no trial. She will plead to something. Cline cannot have an interest in a trial and will make a good offer. Furthermore, neither Duke nor Durham want there to be a criminal trial exposing this woman's insanity during the pendency of the civil suits. But if Crystal refuses the offer (which will have to include some jail time, and should include institutionalization for treatment), then don't expect a "vigorous" prosecution. Durham justice has no reason to show that Crystal's problems preceded RCD, and neither does the defense. Cline surely must understand that enduring a defense that shows that Crystal was insane or at least mentally unstable prior to RCD will undermine Duke and Durham's defense in the civil suits. Woody certainly understands this, and will use this to extract a very generous plea deal. Crystal may or may not understand this, depending on the day of the week or the time of day. Crystal will not testify for reasons already discussed herein.
Thoughts I had before seeing your post fit right I here.

Some comments here toss the idea of the city facing lawsuit from the Daye family, while many note the problems of how Crystal’s history is a trail of the city and DA bending over backwards to cover for her.

This reminded me that the Lacrosse lawsuits against the city want federal oversight of the DPD.

This murder case may be good evidence of WHY the DPD should be controlled by some authority from outside of NC.

I'd hope that would at least reduce what the city administration and DA's office is doing in cooperation with DPD.
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Quasimodo

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This murder case may be good evidence of WHY the DPD should be controlled by some authority from outside of NC.


Worth repeating!
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MikeZPU

I don't see how Mangum's attorney can put up a defense of self-defense
without putting Mangum on the witness stand. In a rational world (and I
certainly acknowledge that Durham is not a rational world), I can't see
how you win a defense of self-defense without having the accused get
on the witness stand to describe what happened and how it was self-defense
(UNLESS they produce witnesses ...)

Yet, putting Mangum on the witness stand? That doesn't seem like an option.

And in arguing self-defense, how does Mangum explain why she didn't call the
police after she stabbed and got away from Daye, if she really feared her life
was in jeopardy?

And, at one point did she grab his money? How do you explain self-defense if she
stabbed him and then grabbed his money?

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maggief
Apr 15 2011, 01:19 PM
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Her supporters say they hope this latest twist is handled by the book.


TWIST?! There is nothing unexpected in the continuing downward spiral, that is the life of CGM.

And, yes, we all hope her charges are handled by the book, unlike the preferential treatment she's be shown in the past. It's quite unlinkely, though. Her Durham enablers will see to it.

Maybe this latest twist of the knife will result in her handlers writing her another book, too.

Amazing, this autopsy will drag along (sorry Clyde) and then medical evidence will be presented as inconclusive and there is your reasonable doubt.

Thus all arrows lead to a greatly diminished plea deal, because that is what the Woody Vann types do, they make deals with the prosecution whose boots they lick.

It's a "He said, she said; he bled, she fled; he dead, she plead/[pled]" kinda story and the only true witness to the crime will be silent.

Watch as the cops suddenly have copious notes describing how the earlier fight was started by both CGM and her lover (or just by him), they both admitted to being mean to and yelling at each other (boyfriend said to us cops: "it was all my fault, a misunderstanding"), they agreed that neither of them and both of them were at fault, they both promised to behave, then the cops left them in a calm situation with a warning not to disturb the neighbors or slash tires or smash car windows with vacuums or slap Crystal in front of her kids or pee on anyone's lawn oops how did that get in there?

Perhaps they will use Mark Gottlieb's Majik InstaRetroActivNotes: good for papering over holes in any prosecution to get the outcome you want or NEED.
Edited by nyesq83, Apr 15 2011, 01:50 PM.
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Quasimodo

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This murder case may be good evidence of WHY the DPD should be controlled by some authority from outside of NC.


To what extent are the federal authorities (to include the DOJ and the FBI) responsible for a man's death (and likely
much more crime in Durham) because they have consistently refused to investigate the city?
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What if ole Woody just goes with the tried and true insanity plea? Would anyone in Durham disagree that she is insane? She then spends a couple of years in an institution, has a remarkable recovery and is back working the streets.

There was a report about an argument starting at a cook out she and her boyfriend attended. I wonder if any of these witnesses will step up and talk about that evening.
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Have the search warrants been made public?
ETA: I answered my own question. Several sources says the search warrant has been released, but I have been unable to find a copy as of yet.
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Walt-in-Durham

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Apr 15 2011, 02:19 PM
What if ole Woody just goes with the tried and true insanity plea? Would anyone in Durham disagree that she is insane? She then spends a couple of years in an institution, has a remarkable recovery and is back working the streets.

There was a report about an argument starting at a cook out she and her boyfriend attended. I wonder if any of these witnesses will step up and talk about that evening.
North Carolina follows the M'Naghten rule: "Every man is to be presumed to be sane, and ... that to establish a defense on the ground of insanity, it must be clearly proved that, at the time of the committing of the act, the party accused was laboring under such a defect of reason, from disease of mind, and not to know the nature and quality of the act he was doing; or if he did know it, that he did not know he was doing what was wrong."

It is a lot more than just getting a jury to believe Crystal was crazy. The test is she had such a defect of reason from disease of the mind that she did not know the nature and quality of the act or if she did know, she she did not know it is wrong. Here, we have to wait for the investigation and the proof to come in. But, let me say that NGRI (not guilty by reason of insanity) is a difficult defense to prove. Woody will have to find an expert to examine Crystal and make a diagnosis found in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders IV and the expert will have to testify that the identified disease manifests in Crystal in such a way that she either does not know what she was doing or does not know right from wrong. Not an easy task.

Under practice in our courts, a defendant asserting the insanity defense puts her mental condition at issue. Thus, the constitutions of the United States and North Carolina allow the prosecution to examine the defendant for purpose of defending against the insanity defense. What that means is, Crystal would have to waiver her Fourth Amendment right to be free from self-incrimination. It is the rare defendant in this state, or any other that will do that.

Walt-in-Durham
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