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| Deleted User | Apr 15 2011, 09:45 AM Post #376 |
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Buddy, I think you nailed it. It will be interesting to compare this post with the ultimate outcome. There are too many interested parties who cannot afford to give Crystal a platform to speak. |
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| Joan Foster | Apr 15 2011, 09:46 AM Post #377 |
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I think, to be fair, we need to sort through some generalizations. I think that Duke and Durham both suffer from what I'll call..."when last we heard." It is undeniable in my opinion, that during the Frame, the leadership of Duke and Durham took public stances to the detriment of the Team. We need only to review public statements by Brodhead, Bell, Baker, Burness to make that point. Layering on these statements were the faculty members, and Durham community leaders who began to be unofficial spokesmen for Duke and Durham in op-edss and media appearances. They, in the eyes of the public...and in the absence of all but a stray outlier here and there...became the Face of Duke and Durham. When the kids were declared innocent , we had the non-apologies of Brodhead and Davidson...both infused with their own attempts to gain sainthood. And from Durham's Black community...pretty much silence. So..."when last we heard"...nothing had changed. I believe Chatham is right though. I doubt the Black community wishes to advocate for Sister Survivor anymore. Unfortunately, those fire-breathing Reverends are mute...and filling the void are the J4N crowd. I cannot believe they are representative of the feelings of the majority of Durham's Black community today. And, with exception to their Whacked Out faculty counterparts, I doubt that Mangum is still clutched to the bosom of even the majority of the 88 Radicals. She's not useful. She's a metanarrative-killer. She is their living breathing PUBLIC MORTIFICATION. I don't think we should over-generalize here. Silence may be shame or stubbornness or sticking one's head in the sand. But I don't think that there are NO changes in Mangum's "polls" in Duke and Durham. |
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| Joan Foster | Apr 15 2011, 09:48 AM Post #378 |
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Terrific post! How generous do you feel Cline can afford to be? |
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| cks | Apr 15 2011, 09:51 AM Post #379 |
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Here is what I find interesting. Supposedly, CGM is a victim of domestic violence - at least that is the defense in the past. Yet, here we have a woman who time and time again is always the victim. No matter how long or short the relationship with her "abuser" has been, she is always the "victim". At what point are not some hard questions asked: 1. If she is the perennial victim, does that not suggest that CGM has some severe emotional problems that need to be addressed? 2. If she continually finds herself in abusive relationships, how can the courts continue to allow her custody of her children which she brings into these relationships? 3. What is the court's definition of domestic in terms of a domestic abuse? (an overnight stay, a one week stay, a month stay? 4. In the last two cases, officers were called prior to the incident for which CGM was ultimately arrested. Why did the police feel it was safe to leave a situation which had been so heated that it was necessary to call the police? Why were the arguing parties allowed to remain under the same roof? Edited by cks, Apr 15 2011, 09:52 AM.
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| Mason | Apr 15 2011, 10:01 AM Post #380 |
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. I said this long ago, Crystal doesn't do testimony in court, and her kids are brought in a day or two as props. The kids were brought in, in the past, and the media alerted beforehand. Last time, they broadcast pictures of them from the rear. It has been effective with the Judge/Jury. . Edited by Mason, Apr 15 2011, 10:01 AM.
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| Quasimodo | Apr 15 2011, 10:02 AM Post #381 |
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How have the child services organizations evaluated the situation? (Recall the HS's discourse last time, on how "now she can't see her children"...) I hope the author of that article and the paper that printed it is proud of his work... |
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| Mason | Apr 15 2011, 10:03 AM Post #382 |
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. Crystal is just nasty. She has a history of grabbing people, start punching and fighting. Men and Women. Go ahead and put marks on me. . |
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| jewelcove | Apr 15 2011, 10:04 AM Post #383 |
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Very insightful!! |
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| chatham | Apr 15 2011, 10:13 AM Post #384 |
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Crystal is charged with assault with intent to kill. So what is taking so long to change the charge to murder since Daye died. I dont understand the delay. If the cops investigated and found evidence of the original charge and the victim dies, there is no more intent to kill, there is just kill. <shrugs> Whats the delay Durham? Looking for a way to free crystal? |
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| Baldo | Apr 15 2011, 10:18 AM Post #385 |
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Despite Durham's past of covering for Crystal I think she has really dug a big hole for herself. Like others have mention, do you really want Crystal on the stand? The defense attorneys were ready to cross her, she would not have stood up well. She has used up any goodwill long ago with her antics. As far as the Black community I doubt they will support her. There are many decent folks who see right through her as there were during the Hoax. Even over at NCCU I was told by a reporter many students knew exactly who she was. Like over at Duke the NCCU students had common sense over some professors. They were having to work to get their degree. What she has is a dozen or so of supporters and who knows why they stand behind her? I cannot explain their lack of judgement. She is a deeply disturbed woman who has had past history of drug & alcohol dependency, a HISTORY of Lying, and making false accusations. She has cried Wolf Wolf too many times. None of them have panned out. In the end what will determine her fate is the weight of the evidence and that depends on the competency of the Police & the Prosecution. Chief Lopez know he has to get it right. DA Cline know she is walking on egg shells and has to get it right. They must show competence.Their only choice is to do it right, anything else and they will be in trouble. Woody Vann has Crystal as a client with quite a history of causing trouble, making false accusations, wasting people's time, court convictions, probation, drug & alcohol use, mental hospitalization, violence, and now facing some pretty damning evidence of stabbing a man seven times who died. That's a big mountain to climb. For Crystal the time of reckoning has come. Get found guilty of lesser charge and she will spend time in prison and lose her children. Plea mental diminished mental capacity and she will still be incarcerated and lose her children. Get found guilty on the more serious charges, with her priors, she could be looking at a very long stay in prison. Her children will grow up away from her and move on. As for her supporters they will eventually go away. Either way I can't imagine any Judge allowing bail for her now. What a fool would do that? She will be spending the next 18 months or so in jail no matter what. It is time for Durham Justice system to get it right by demonstrating a fair & impartial Justice system and to discard the nonsense of her supporters. It is up to the prosecutor to prove it. Edited by Baldo, Apr 15 2011, 11:14 AM.
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| Quasimodo | Apr 15 2011, 10:32 AM Post #386 |
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slight edit... |
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| Rusty Dog | Apr 15 2011, 10:38 AM Post #387 |
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I have been wondering if the children were present when the fighting first began and the police came around the first time. Were they not present to witness the stabbing because she had taken them somewhere else? Or did the police remove them? Does anyone in Durham other that Jackie Wagstaff know where they are? Edited by Rusty Dog, Apr 15 2011, 10:39 AM.
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| Deleted User | Apr 15 2011, 10:48 AM Post #388 |
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1. "Loosing" her children? Or have they actually, a long time ago, lost a real mother? Is there some hope that this might actually SAVE her children, by getting them outside the influence and neglectful maternal influence? 2. We haven't actually explored the identity of the DPD cops who showed up... both at the arson scene and the pre-murder scene. Who were they? Did they have previous knowledge of CGM? Personally, or professionally? Did they have "instructions" either verbally or by influence? The fact that the cops could show up at the scene of an argument, which ought to have been enough to cool down the situation, and then leave and have a murder commited AFTER their visit is amazing. That means that Crystal and Daye's behavior must have been cool enough to let the cops feel it was safe to leave. That means that when she murdered him ( alledgedly.... or maybe it was levitating aliens who plunged the knives) that she KNEW what she was doing and it was not just the escalating of a crime of passion ( I use the term loosely) 3. How long after the cops' visit was the murder? How long between the call for domestic violence, and the nephew's call to report the stabbing of his uncle? And if Daye were able to physically get to his nephew for help, that means he did not die in his apartment where he was stabbed. Medically, that is very significant. For if a major artery had been severed he would have died immediately. I have great respect for the overall excellence of the Duke Medical Center, Levicy and Sane activities not withstanding. I have no doubt that Daye got the best care available. But I would absolutely demand a toxicology report if I were Daye's family. |
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| Mason | Apr 15 2011, 11:03 AM Post #389 |
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. I don't know - as far as her following. There are a dozen hardcore supporters, Media Reporters (as Quasi stated), and then there are Judges. I don't thing anyone can explain away that "Good Mother" declaration by the last Judge. I still say we have to watch for the plan by the DA and Durham Justice - of publicly making noise about being tough with Crystal - and privately assisting her. . |
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| jmoo | Apr 15 2011, 11:04 AM Post #390 |
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D.A.M.N. |
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