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CGM's boyfriend died.; RIP Reginald Daye
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Mason
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CNN: Crystal Intriguing


http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/14/thursdays-intriguing-people-53/



sorry is this has already been posted
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Apr 14 2011, 07:41 AM
I predict that people in Durham are going to say that Crystal was fine until RCD raped her. Then when she could not get justice because rich white boys bought their own justice, her life went downhill. Believe me, THAT will be the narrative and it will play well at Durham and Duke.

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Congratulations on your accurate observation of the "metanarrative" that would be selected for this entirely preventable tragedy.

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As Jason said in his post. before we judge, we need to hear crystals side. But looking back on the arson trial, we never heard crystals side. We never heard her boyfriend Milton's side either.

I doubt that crystal will get up on the stand and defend her actions. We will not hear her side. And if her enablers want to claim trauma from the Duke case, the prosecution can bring in Roy Cooper to testify that the Duke LAX case was not the cause of her problems. Her problems were part of her life before the Duke case. After all, it was Roy Cooper who said crystal should not be prosecuted for false accusations because of her mental problems. How did (does) he know that?
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Apr 14 2011, 10:38 PM
As sad as it is for Daye, he exhibited a serious lack of judgment in taking this woman into his place to live. Perhaps he thought he could "help" her. Often well-meaning people have tried to do such unselfish things, to help some truly hopeless characters.

Can I say... "Been there; done that; not ever again".... without elaborating???

I don't know if it is just arrogance, to think that one can help or reform someone who has no inclination to reform, or if it is mis-guided good intentions, or what.... but whatever was in Daye's mind and heart toward Chrystal, he was a man who was at the wrong place at the wrong time.
For some (VP & JW) it is arrogance, for others (Daye) it may be naiveté. Stepping back when someone is sliding down the addict's road to hell is a almost impossible task. The addict's life will never change until he hits rock bottom. Everyone's rock bottom is different. Sadly, for some, their rock bottom is death.

Crystal's addictions were complicated by mental illness. Perhaps Daye caught a glimpse of the person she could have been (very unlikely), felt bad for her children, or was manipulated by the best (most likely) into letting this sorry excuse of an existence into his life. There must have been a sexual aspect to their relationship. That is how crystal manipulates. I don't want to elevate Daye to sainthood. He was warned and made his own choices. Sadly, he made a foolish choice.

There was a price to be paid. The tragedy is that Daye paid the price, not those who have enabled her for so many years. If she goes to prison JW & VP & the rest of her 'supporters' can get one with their lives. Not one of them will lose a minute's sleep over their own role in this. They will continue to blame others for Crystal's sorry excuse for a life.

Daye will still be dead.




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After all, it was Roy Cooper who said crystal should not be prosecuted for false accusations because of her mental problems. How did (does) he know that?


If the Attorney General said she had mental problems, why wasn't that sufficient notice to law enforcement
that she was potentially dangerous and perhaps ought to be confined?

Ditto for judges--how could a judge call her a "good mother" when the AG has determined that she has
mental problems?

Did the judge ask to see her medical records before he said that?

Did any of those who permitted her to keep her children ask to examine her medical records?

(Did Cy Gurney and the guardian at litem program ever have anything to do with Mangum's case; and if so,
did they ask to examine her full medical records)?

If her entire case has been mishandled by the state and every other agency in NC, despite public disclosure
that she had mental problems, then doesn't the Daye family have adequate grounds to sue the state and all
those agencies for negligence?

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Walt-in-Durham

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Apr 14 2011, 11:11 PM
Thanks Walt!

You are most welcome.

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It will be interesting to see what DA Cline decides to do about upgrading the charges-- will they go for second-degree murder or will they cave in and go for a lesser charge?


If this were a no media interest case, the DA would charge Second Degree Murder and be done with it. Ordinarily Tracy is very tough on domestic violence.

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In North Carolina, if Crystal took the money they were arguing about, does that further upgrade the charges?
That will depend on what the investigation shows. If this case is about theft of the rent money, then the law would allow a theft charge to upgrade to Murder in the Second Degree under the felony-murder rule. However, if this is a Domestic Violence case then the alleged theft is only an aggravating circumstance for sentence enhancement.

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Crystal never gives her side, does she?
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Apr 15 2011, 07:57 AM
Crystal never gives her side, does she?
Crystal, because of her record of lies and deceit, cannot testify in court or she'll be impeached with those very lies and deceits. Mani Dexter, in the Arson trial, was very successful at getting the DPD to give Crystal's side of things by reading in a police report where Crystal gave a statement. I suspect Woody Vann, traffic fixer extraordinaire will do the same.

Crystal's other problem is she has a hard time telling the same story twice. That's what trips her up with the media. Vince will never admit it, but every time Crystal gives an interview, she tells a different story. When the reporter/writer gets back to the newsroom/studio/office and starts checking the story Crystal gave him/her they find multiple contradictory stories from Crystal. None of which match up with any of the other known facts in the case. Thus, the reporter/writer, except for Samiha who didn't check, just drops the interview/story/movie/whatever and goes on.

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Thanks to Jason T. for some excellent writing as usual.

My problem is that the festering zombie corpse that many call 'justice' in Durham has not changed.

It still stinks, and it is trying to eat our brains.
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Another interesting comment which appeared on Black Voices posted earlier by Concerned:


"That's why when that Duke stuff was going on I wasn't so quick to jump on the side of this woman because there was stuff unraveling by the day so I really had to wait and see and we all know when Jesse and Al try to hypeup to get the black folks to rally when some of us don't even know what we are rallying or marching for."

. . . . .when some of us don't even know what we are rallying or marching for".

At least someone is telling the truth here.
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Domestic violence? I could see that she is not at fault if the police come to her house calls (ha) and she is injured every time in an escalating way.

But in this case, it is the exact opposite, and the domestic partner keeps changing.

How many other CGM-related domestic dispute calls have come and gone that remained below the radar and that will be swept under the rug?
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How many other CGM-related domestic dispute calls have come and gone that remained below the radar and that will be swept under the rug?


A very relevant point.

To what extent were the police (and maybe the DA's office) just not eager to deal with all the issues
that would arise in trying to arrest/prosecute Mangum?

Maybe the city council needs to look into that (negligence?)?


ETA: of course, the media could do that too, if they weren't still too busy all the time trying to
cover up for her

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There is also an issue, Quasi, of how the DPD looks at black on black crime. Therein may lie the answer to the questions.

When Mangum was being tried on the arson charge, there was a lot written on J4Nifong that the police actually were the ones that set the fire. Doesn't this sound familiar? It's always someone else's fault when Crystal gets arrested. Now it's Duke Medical Center.
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Apr 15 2011, 08:50 AM
Another interesting comment which appeared on Black Voices posted earlier by Concerned:


"That's why when that Duke stuff was going on I wasn't so quick to jump on the side of this woman because there was stuff unraveling by the day so I really had to wait and see and we all know when Jesse and Al try to hypeup to get the black folks to rally when some of us don't even know what we are rallying or marching for."

. . . . .when some of us don't even know what we are rallying or marching for".

At least someone is telling the truth here.
But he does NOT say that the facts kept changing. Interesting what a good education will do for you.
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If Woody can control his client (big if) there will be no trial. She will plead to something. Cline cannot have an interest in a trial and will make a good offer. Furthermore, neither Duke nor Durham want there to be a criminal trial exposing this woman's insanity during the pendency of the civil suits. But if Crystal refuses the offer (which will have to include some jail time, and should include institutionalization for treatment), then don't expect a "vigorous" prosecution. Durham justice has no reason to show that Crystal's problems preceded RCD, and neither does the defense. Cline surely must understand that enduring a defense that shows that Crystal was insane or at least mentally unstable prior to RCD will undermine Duke and Durham's defense in the civil suits. Woody certainly understands this, and will use this to extract a very generous plea deal. Crystal may or may not understand this, depending on the day of the week or the time of day. Crystal will not testify for reasons already discussed herein.
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