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Duke Fake-Rape Accuser Crystal Gayle Mangum Silences Her Critics By Swimming Over A Mile To Rescue a Drowning Child
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Ah, no, I'm just kidding again. She killed a guy.

Last time the punchline was "She stabbed a guy."

But now reports say her victim -- I mean her latest victim -- has died of the wounds she inflicted, so it's straight-up murder.

Remember when the left was celebrating this nightcrawling crack-addled lunatic whore as some kind of "scholar"?

Yeah. Good times, good times.
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From a poster on the African American site "Black Voices":

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From what I know, she was offered help more than a few times, ( & she got more than a lttle help & accepted the things that SHE wanted...) & it just so happens that due to my activism, & involvement in my community, I know that firsthand, & I'm not just repeating what I've read. As far as "TRYING TO REACH OUT TO HER" not even God can reach a person that isn't ready to be reached, so TO ME,... that "excuse" "response" or whatever you wanna call it,....is not the best of excuses to be thrown out.
As it stands Lashid, there were a bunch of people, women & men, publically & privately,...who BLINDLY & on her word, came to this woman's aid. Some that I know of personally, & who are not speaking to me now b/c of how fervently they jumped into this, who NOW have lost the most basic & necessary thing that they have as far as being an advocate goes, their credibility, & others their money &standing in the community, simply b/c of howTOTALLY & doggedly they jumped in behind this woman, & what they said & did in pursuit of what they saw as "helping" a woman who had been done wrong by men, & yt men ( & the System) at that. AND these folks worked hard to help her & saw their efforts misplaced & had to slink back into the shadows b/c of all they had said & done, when this woman's story changed from day to day. So I don't havenearly as much pity for her, as I do the others around her who have suffered b/c of her.
TO ME, (who is known around here as someone who has answered calls from black women & men in TRUE TROUBLE & who really could use the help), at some point she is responsible for HER PARTS of the lives that she hasruined, including her own. There are too many good women out there in need of true help, for me to get all "emotionally constipated" over this one, who squandered (for whatever reason) her chance to DO BETTER.
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Quasimodo

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. who NOW have lost the most basic & necessary thing that they have as far as being an advocate goes, their credibility,


What credibility does the NAACP have, when it wouldn't help Elmo?

What credibility does NCCU have?



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There are too many good women out there in need of true help


worth repeating...
Edited by Quasimodo, Apr 14 2011, 10:20 PM.
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Quasimodo

Well, somebody gets it:

POSTER COMMENT on another site (referring to the AP story) :

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Putting "discredited lacrosse accuser" in quotes suggests there's doubt; there is none.
Writing that her failed fraud "began" a slide into erratic behavior is another deliberate attempt to mislead--it was of course of a pattern, as is her present predicament.

Shame on you, Tom Breen

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"What jobs, pray tell, has Crystal had from which she has been laid off (sorry, I am not even sure how to grammatically write the question)? Supposedly she has been working on her MA and (I guess) exotically dancing on the sidei."

My guess is she keeps getting 'fired' from the various adult businesses she tries to make money from/through while plying her trade.
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It may be that the only thing that will finally bring Crystal's long torturous slide to the bottom to a final conclusion is if she murders a truly innocent person, and there is NO way for the AA community to spin its way out of the truth. As sad as it is for Daye, he exhibited a serious lack of judgment in taking this woman into his place to live. Perhaps he thought he could "help" her. Often well-meaning people have tried to do such unselfish things, to help some truly hopeless characters.

Can I say... "Been there; done that; not ever again".... without elaborating???

I don't know if it is just arrogance, to think that one can help or reform someone who has no inclination to reform, or if it is mis-guided good intentions, or what.... but whatever was in Daye's mind and heart toward Chrystal, he was a man who was at the wrong place at the wrong time.

If she walks free again, this will happen again. And the next time, she might only have spent the night with him instead of two weeks. And who knows who it might be?

These men are idiots. But Crystal? Is she insane, completely evil, or just so fried from her tortured life that nobody knows?

Does she get "medication" in jail? Was she on drugs during her last jail time?

My gosh, she was only OUT of jail a few weeks... and now this.

Whatever else she is addicted to, she is most certainly addicted to drama and the attention it brings her. I understand the revulsion we all have for her and the way she ruins lives with no evidence of remorse. But I confess that I am almost a the point of pity for her. It seems to me that she long ago passed the point of having a conscience. And that is a truly scary ending.
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Walt-in-Durham

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Apr 14 2011, 08:49 PM
Does anyone know the sentencing guidelines in North Carolina for manslaughter or for second-degree murder??
The General Assembly in 2008 looked at consolidating class B1 and class B2 sentences into a single classification as a means to simplify an expensive corrections system. The finding was class B2 sentences (Second Degree Murder) ranged from 94 months to 392 months, depending on the offender's prior record and any mitigating circumstances. They also found that B1 (First Degree Murder) sentences ranged from 144 months to life in prison. Death penalty murder sentences ranged from life in prison to lethal injection. Because any savings in merging B1 and B2 would occur outside the ten year look forward period for budgeting, the General Assembly elected not to merge B1 and B2 sentences. A class D voluntary manslaughter sentence can range up to 12 years, again depending on prior record.

Walt-in-Durham
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Jason Trumpbour

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Apr 14 2011, 08:08 PM
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Apr 14 2011, 05:17 PM


First, let me repeat the caution that Mangum is innocent until proven guilty.




Jason, how great to see you again. Let me be clear that I believe in the right of presumption of innocence, but we all know here that the facts as we know them today do not bear out that theory. Crystal has dealt her last hand in my opinion. However, there is an evil undercurrent in Durham that will exonerate her of almost anything despite evidence to the contrary. This is absolute corruption and her court appointed, tax paid for attorney, Woody, Spinless, Vann knows the truth and yet he will march to the bar of justice and proclaim once again that she is thle virtuous heroine of some seedy lie circulating in the community. In the meantime three innocent lives will be circulated among the enablers by the Dept. of Social Services and the collateral damages continue to mount. While still breathing, she has also killed in subtle ways the future of her children. That is something she will never be tried for.


I absolutely agree. Looking at the situation critically, the odds of her being innocent are very low. She has a general propensity for violence that goes beyond her intimate relationships. Within those relationships, she is said to be the victim of domestic violence yet her alleged abusers get the worst of these transactions and she does not seem to receive any tangible injuries in return. She has threatened to stab people in the past. Whatever story she tells is unlikely to be true for the simple reason that she is psychologically incapable of distinguishing between truth and fiction as touched upon in the Attorney General’s report. I am not suggesting that we do not have enough information to make some pretty firm preliminary judgments and you can guess where my money is.

Nevertheless, we owe it to her to wait and listen to her side of the story before we make any final conclusions. Being open minded and following the evidence wherever it takes one are the defining characteristics of the hooligan spirit to which I appeal. Simply playing the percentages is lazy habit of the Nancy Graces of the world. In the end, however, she may still have no good explanation.

In the meantime, by all means please keep sifting through all the evidence, exposing all the facts and trying to make sense of it all. I come here to get the facts. I am amazed at how a group of mostly non-lawyers can zero in on the relevant issues and information in a way that journalists cannot even when they are willing to step outside their personal prejudices and a paint by numbers style of reporting.

I wish for Mangum the very thing denied to Reade, Collin and David: a fair and regular process focusing on her actual conduct. Unfortunately, many of the same people who tried to game the system in that case are going to try and do so in this one.

While I am on the subject of her followers, I think they are an ambivalent blessing for her in this case. The article about them and their relationship with her previous attorneys linked above was a real eye opener. Yes, they are already at work trying to get her story out to the jury pool. Yes, similar efforts likely contributed to her hung jury on the arson charge. However, in this case, my instinct is that Woody Vann’s best strategy is to look for a plea bargain to limit damage while they are going to be pushing for a trial and outright acquittal, a rather dangerous game.

It is not enough to just claim domestic violence. Vann would have to show that Mangum was defending herself from a lethal attack in order to justify the use of deadly force. Moreover, instead of calling the police to report a crime against her, she fled the scene. Her flight did not seem to be caused by any lingering fear of the victim. She felt safe enough to allegedly grab his money before she left, possibly even taking it from his person, something that, even if the intent to steal was formed after the stabbing, would, nevertheless constitute robbery. The fact that she left the victim to die without summoning aid would also preclude self defense as a justification if the resulting delay in treatment caused his death.

My sense is that Mangum’s support in the community is somewhat broad but not very deep. Outside her circle, I think that most people inclined to support her do not really sympathize with her and, at this point, must be coming to see her as an embarrassment. What they really love are the resentments they have against other people and institutions in Durham, which Mangum engenders. She may have finally gone too far. After all she destroyed a person this time not a fixture to real property, a person who, at this point, seems to have a far superior claim than Mangum to be an ordinary working person just trying to make his way in the world.

For political reasons, it is to Cline’s advantage to have Mangum plead guilty rather than oppose her in court and I suspect she would be willing to offer very generous terms to get Mangum’s plea. If the case does go to trial, a jury could still split the difference and come back with a manslaughter conviction. Nevertheless, as between murder and acquittal I think it would be harder for a jury to acquit her outright.

In the end, I think FoCM, could potentially end up buying Mangum a much longer sentence if they convince her to hold out.
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Apr 14 2011, 10:44 PM
sceptical
Apr 14 2011, 08:49 PM
Does anyone know the sentencing guidelines in North Carolina for manslaughter or for second-degree murder??
The General Assembly in 2008 looked at consolidating class B1 and class B2 sentences into a single classification as a means to simplify an expensive corrections system. The finding was class B2 sentences (Second Degree Murder) ranged from 94 months to 392 months, depending on the offender's prior record and any mitigating circumstances. They also found that B1 (First Degree Murder) sentences ranged from 144 months to life in prison. Death penalty murder sentences ranged from life in prison to lethal injection. Because any savings in merging B1 and B2 would occur outside the ten year look forward period for budgeting, the General Assembly elected not to merge B1 and B2 sentences. A class D voluntary manslaughter sentence can range up to 12 years, again depending on prior record.

Walt-in-Durham
Thanks Walt!

It will be interesting to see what DA Cline decides to do about upgrading the charges-- will they go for second-degree murder or will they cave in and go for a lesser charge?

In North Carolina, if Crystal took the money they were arguing about, does that further upgrade the charges?
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Apr 14 2011, 11:11 PM
Walt-in-Durham
Apr 14 2011, 10:44 PM
sceptical
Apr 14 2011, 08:49 PM
Does anyone know the sentencing guidelines in North Carolina for manslaughter or for second-degree murder??
The General Assembly in 2008 looked at consolidating class B1 and class B2 sentences into a single classification as a means to simplify an expensive corrections system. The finding was class B2 sentences (Second Degree Murder) ranged from 94 months to 392 months, depending on the offender's prior record and any mitigating circumstances. They also found that B1 (First Degree Murder) sentences ranged from 144 months to life in prison. Death penalty murder sentences ranged from life in prison to lethal injection. Because any savings in merging B1 and B2 would occur outside the ten year look forward period for budgeting, the General Assembly elected not to merge B1 and B2 sentences. A class D voluntary manslaughter sentence can range up to 12 years, again depending on prior record.

Walt-in-Durham
Thanks Walt!

It will be interesting to see what DA Cline decides to do about upgrading the charges-- will they go for second-degree murder or will they cave in and go for a lesser charge?

In North Carolina, if Crystal took the money they were arguing about, does that further upgrade the charges?
The cops responded to a fight, left after they evidently felt nobody would be hurt.

She then stabs him multiple times.

The present charge is "intent to kill".

Which charge fits the crime best now?
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Quasimodo

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The cops responded to a fight, left after they evidently felt nobody would be hurt.

She then stabs him multiple times.

The present charge is "intent to kill".

Which charge fits the crime best now?


I'm sure the DPD could be sued for negligence by the victim's family.
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sceptical

kbp
Apr 14 2011, 11:35 PM
sceptical
Apr 14 2011, 11:11 PM
Walt-in-Durham
Apr 14 2011, 10:44 PM
sceptical
Apr 14 2011, 08:49 PM
Does anyone know the sentencing guidelines in North Carolina for manslaughter or for second-degree murder??
The General Assembly in 2008 looked at consolidating class B1 and class B2 sentences into a single classification as a means to simplify an expensive corrections system. The finding was class B2 sentences (Second Degree Murder) ranged from 94 months to 392 months, depending on the offender's prior record and any mitigating circumstances. They also found that B1 (First Degree Murder) sentences ranged from 144 months to life in prison. Death penalty murder sentences ranged from life in prison to lethal injection. Because any savings in merging B1 and B2 would occur outside the ten year look forward period for budgeting, the General Assembly elected not to merge B1 and B2 sentences. A class D voluntary manslaughter sentence can range up to 12 years, again depending on prior record.

Walt-in-Durham
Thanks Walt!

It will be interesting to see what DA Cline decides to do about upgrading the charges-- will they go for second-degree murder or will they cave in and go for a lesser charge?

In North Carolina, if Crystal took the money they were arguing about, does that further upgrade the charges?
The cops responded to a fight, left after they evidently felt nobody would be hurt.

She then stabs him multiple times.

The present charge is "intent to kill".

Which charge fits the crime best now?
I am obviously not a lawyer, but I do not think the stabbing was premeditated murder, which in my area (NOT North Carolina) is one of the definition of First Degree Murder.

In some states (e.g. Virginia) if someone dies as a result of a robbery then that can be a Capital Murder, punishable by death.

However, I don't think from what we know that Crystal's intent was robbery. They got into an argument and she allegedly took the money.

I think Trompbour's point about Crystal fleeing and leaving Reginald wounded without calling for help is important. It was not like she stabbed him in a fit of rage and then regretted it, calling for help.
Edited by sceptical, Apr 14 2011, 11:49 PM.
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IMHO a competent investigation will tell us much.

I believe the Police came out to the apartment before the stabbing and left. What does that report say? What happened? I can't imagine the police thinking the male in the incident was aggressive and then just leaving. What those policemen saw will be important.

Fleeing the scene is another important aspect as was stated above. His nephew's statement & any conversations with the Police that Daye had should provide insight. There should be neighbors who heard or saw them. Somebody must have called the police the first time. There should be forensic evidence.

As for rushing to convict her I haven't heard that here. I can vouch for the posters' mentality having been here for most of the topics. Our main beef all along has been the absence of police procedure & fair prosecution in most of the cases presented.

We all want a fair trial. However we do have opinions.They have been formed through thousands of hours studying the case & her subsequent activities. We know Crystal through her deeds.. That's her problem & Woody Vann's, not ours.

None of us will sit on that jury, but if my life was in the hands of the Blog Hooligans I could trust them to be fair, demand the truth through evidence, and not settle for anything else but the law.

She is in big trouble



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sceptical

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/04/15/2224119/accuser-may-see-harsher-charges.html


Accuser may see harsher charges

Stabbed April 3, the boyfriend of the woman in the Duke lacrosse scandal has died.

By Amy Dunn and Stephanie Soucheray
amy.dunn@newsobserver.com

Posted: Friday, Apr. 15, 2011


DURHAM stephanie.soucheray@newsobserver.com

Prosecutors and police will meet today to discuss whether to upgrade the charges against Crystal Mangum after the man she was accused of stabbing this month died Wednesday evening.

Durham District Attorney Tracey Kline [sic]said Thursday she could not comment on possible additional charges against Mangum, but said a decision could be made today.

Mangum, the woman at the center of the Duke University lacrosse scandal five years ago, is in the Durham County jail facing a charge of assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill inflicting serious injury. Her bail is set at $300,000.


Read more: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/04/15/2224119/accuser-may-see-harsher-charges.html#ixzz1JZOJTDOz
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DAN

It's been a while since I have posted on LS... and (full disclosure) I was not a part of the original LS group that formed to deal with the CM issue, so I have no earned credibility on this topic. However, after reading all the posts, I am compelled to say this:

Crystal Magnum will be accused of murder in some degree. This is NOT a vindication of the LS membership’s ability to predict future behavior of this social cretin, it is simply, a sad reminder of how “justice” is "managed" in most geographies of this country. This is not a local (Durham) problem. Unfortunately, there is plenty of evidence similar issues exist elsewhere, including here in Seattle.
Edited by DAN, Apr 15 2011, 01:40 AM.
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