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Brodhead on the record; Jan. 22, 2007
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Bill Anderson
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"Whatever they did was bad enough."

I always have wondered just what "enough" means here. Was he justifying the indictments? Justifying the vicious attacks on these players and their families? Justifying the death threats hurled at Reade?

"Bad enough" for what?

:bill:
Edited by Bill Anderson, Apr 12 2011, 09:20 AM.
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jarms

I THINK what he meant was that hiring strippers for entertainment - particularly AA or mixed-(with black)-race strippers, constituted the cardinal PC sin. Unlike Christian morality, where forgiveness is the norm (with proper repentance, penance and firm resolution of amendment) there IS no forgiveness in the PC "church" - at least for certain sins.

I THINK "enough" referred to the fact that even if a rape had not occurred, the boys were already "lost souls" in the PC "church." They had committed the sin of sexual domination not just of womyn, but of AA (or partially AA) womyn. [The facts that these womyn chose a corrupt and debased profession; that they engaged in commercial fraud in a transaction that was (otherwise) legal; and that the players had no intention of hiring AA or mixed-(with black)-race strippers made no difference whatsoever.] The players could NEVER be forgiven for this; no matter that they committed no "crime" as defined in the North Carolina criminal code. Duke was done with these irredeemable souls. They have proven themselves racists and misogynists. THAT'S what I think Brodhead meant.
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Quasimodo

I think he also meant use of the "N" word; but that brings up the Burness 'telephone conversation' with the DPD,
which just happened to be overheard by Wahneema.

Considering the way Burness operated during the case, I have to wonder if that 'conversation' wasn't
faked (perphaps even with no one on the line; or with Gottlieb on the line, making up 'facts' which
it would be very convenient for Wahneema to 'overhear').

That kind of smear tactic and innuendo seems to have been the norm, IMHO.





(MOO. for discussion purposes only)
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jarms
Apr 12 2011, 09:40 AM
I THINK what he meant was that hiring strippers for entertainment - particularly AA or mixed-(with black)-race strippers, constituted the cardinal PC sin. Unlike Christian morality, where forgiveness is the norm (with proper repentance, penance and firm resolution of amendment) there IS no forgiveness in the PC "church" - at least for certain sins.

I THINK "enough" referred to the fact that even if a rape had not occurred, the boys were already "lost souls" in the PC "church." They had committed the sin of sexual domination not just of womyn, but of AA (or partially AA) womyn. [The facts that these womyn chose a corrupt and debased profession; that they engaged in commercial fraud in a transaction that was (otherwise) legal; and that the players had no intention of hiring AA or mixed-(with black)-race strippers made no difference whatsoever.] The players could NEVER be forgiven for this; no matter that they committed no "crime" as defined in the North Carolina criminal code. Duke was done with these irredeemable souls. They have proven themselves racists and misogynists. THAT'S what I think Brodhead meant.
Later today I am going to see what I can do online to trace Brodhead's conversion to PC fanaticism after the "famous-dead-white-male" 1986 THE SCHOOL OF HAWTHORNE. I started the job once and got to sudden speeches on multiculturalism and I recall his saying falsely that his commitment to multiculturalism started something like a decade before you see evidence of it. I mean, judging from what I could find, he antedated his commitment to make himself look like a longtime member of the PC club. I will try to document this. Anytime someone dates his conversion to multiculturalism long before there is evidence of it, the fear is showing through. Somewhere in the 1990s, I am betting, Brodhead went from being defensive about dealing only with dead white men to being terrified he would be called Politically Incorrect in public. Hence the groveling in 2006. I will see what I can find. Maggief could do a better job. Oh for the skills of maggief!

Deleted the grim avatar, the rumored scout for Nathan Bedford Forrest, and tried to put a pugnacious jaw of another ornery ancestor up but so far have failed. As I say, Oh for the skills . . . .
Edited by Payback, Apr 12 2011, 09:55 AM.
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Lady Macbeth:
Out, damn'd spot! out, I say!—One; two: why, then 'tis time to do't.—Hell is murky.—Fie, my lord, fie, a soldier, and afeard? What need we fear who knows it, when none can call our pow'r to accompt?—Yet who would have thought the old man to have had so much blood in him?


As Brodhead sleepwalks the halls of the Allen building muttering to himself.

"What's done cannot be undone"

Brodhead succumbed to the "lynch-lawing" of the 2006 Duke Lacrosse Team. A cowardly act of perceived self-preservation. He knew the players were most likely innocent. I suspect he knew Levicy's incompetence early on, Gottlieb's record, Crystal's occupation, and Nifong's arrogance/deceit.

For for the sake of the University & of himself, he washed his hands and let the wolves have their day.

But he still can't get rid of that spot.
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Quasimodo
Apr 12 2011, 09:48 AM
I think he also meant use of the "N" word; but that brings up the Burness 'telephone conversation' with the DPD,
which just happened to be overheard by Wahneema.

Considering the way Burness operated during the case, I have to wonder if that 'conversation' wasn't
faked (perphaps even with no one on the line; or with Gottlieb on the line, making up 'facts' which
it would be very convenient for Wahneema to 'overhear').

That kind of smear tactic and innuendo seems to have been the norm, IMHO.





(MOO. for discussion purposes only)
The person who reported his was Prof. Karla Holloway and not Wahneema. Holloway descriibed the incident in January 3 2007 e-mail.

According to Karla, she overheard John Burness talking to Duke Police who were told by Durham Police that some unknown person reported a racial slur by one of the lacrosse players. No one has ever confirmed this third-hand claim.

See page 325 of "Until Proven Innocent"
http://books.google.com/books?id=VKROIoKzYtQC&pg=PA325&lpg=PA325&dq=KC+Johnson+Holloway+Burness&source=bl&ots=GOcV55z9bg&sig=D45qsTu7xyJbiFLA19dHEvPnNiI&hl=en&ei=ToOkTfb7DYaYOuea5MAJ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

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Quasimodo

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The person who reported his was Prof. Karla Holloway and not Wahneema. Holloway descriibed the incident in January 3 2007 e-mail.

According to Karla, she overheard John Burness talking to Duke Police who were told by Durham Police that some unknown person reported a racial slur by one of the lacrosse players. No one has ever confirmed this third-hand claim.

See page 325 of "Until Proven Innocent"



"The allegation was false: No such witness statement existed, and none of the witnesses at the party…had ever suggested such a thing. Yet the Wilmington Journal… printed this fifth-hand gossip."

Did Burness fabricate this entire conversation so that Holloway could overhear it?
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Bill Anderson
Apr 12 2011, 09:20 AM
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"Whatever they did was bad enough."

I always have wondered just what "enough" means here. Was he justifying the indictments? Justifying the vicious attacks on these players and their families? Justifying the death threats hurled at Reade?

"Bad enough" for what?

:bill:
Here is an excerpt from a Michael Gaynor column:

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President Richard Brodhead put his faith in false accuser Crystal Gail Mangum and rogue prosecutor Michael B. Nifong, abandoned the players in their time of need in order to promote the political correctness agenda at their expense and announced at the annual meeting of the Durham Chamber of Commerce on April 20, 2006, "If our students did what is alleged it is appalling to the worst degree. If they didn't do it, whatever they did was bad enough" (even though it had been publicly announced on April 10, 2006 that initial DNA tests failed to connect any of the players to the false accuser and Mr. Brodhead knew or should have known that Ms. Mangum's credibility was, at best, doubtful.
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The actual quote is " whatever they did is bad enough"

from wral site " http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/157148/

"If our students did what is alleged, it is appalling to the worst degree. If they didn't do it, whatever they did is bad enough," he said. "Of the things that have pained me about this episode, one of the greatest ones is all the publicity that this has brought, unwished to Duke University and, indeed, Durham."

My interpretation of this english teachers words was about all the attention that was brought to Duke and Durham. It was about the brand. And even though he (brodhead) cannot say what happened that night, the fact that it made the national news was wrong. If the party had not happened Duke's name would not be dragged through the mud. So even though they may not have done what was claimed, the fact that they brought all this negative attention to the University and Durham was bad enough for him. This statement was about brodhead and his leadership and he did not need distractions from doing what he had to as president of a well known university. It was all about the bad attention brought onto his campus and he had enough of it.
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jarms
Apr 12 2011, 09:40 AM
I THINK what he meant was that hiring strippers for entertainment - particularly AA or mixed-(with black)-race strippers, constituted the cardinal PC sin. Unlike Christian morality, where forgiveness is the norm (with proper repentance, penance and firm resolution of amendment) there IS no forgiveness in the PC "church" - at least for certain sins.

I THINK "enough" referred to the fact that even if a rape had not occurred, the boys were already "lost souls" in the PC "church." They had committed the sin of sexual domination not just of womyn, but of AA (or partially AA) womyn. [The facts that these womyn chose a corrupt and debased profession; that they engaged in commercial fraud in a transaction that was (otherwise) legal; and that the players had no intention of hiring AA or mixed-(with black)-race strippers made no difference whatsoever.] The players could NEVER be forgiven for this; no matter that they committed no "crime" as defined in the North Carolina criminal code. Duke was done with these irredeemable souls. They have proven themselves racists and misogynists. THAT'S what I think Brodhead meant.
That is very, very well put, and right on the money.

"What(ever) they did was bad enough" was indeed Brodhead publicly proclaiming
to Nifong, the DPD, the Duke Faculty, the NC Chapter of the NCAA, the Black Panther
Party, etc: "Do with them as you may."

It was Brodhead feeding the LAX players to the wolves, throwing them under the bus.
Edited by MikeZPU, Apr 12 2011, 07:07 PM.
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MikeZPU

IMHO, the primary implication of Brodhead's nonsensical statement "The facts kept changing" is this:

It's a manifestation of the fact that the president of one of the most prestigious institutions of higher
learning in the world was played like a fiddle by a cop who didn't even go to college and by a dim-bulb
DA who made transparently inane public statements pertaining to this case.

In his deposition for Nifong's Bar Trial, Gottlieb talked about the chess game being played behind the
scenes. Nifong and Gottlieb bested "President Brodhead" at every move. Getting Brodhead to listen to
the 911 call, followed by the release of Ryan McFayden's email, these two idiots had to be laughing and
high-fiving each other on how easy it was to play the fear-driven Brodhead.

Edited by MikeZPU, Apr 13 2011, 11:36 AM.
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Quasimodo

Fact Checker will be out tomorrow with story affecting Brodhead:

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http://dukefactchecker.blogspot.com/

Faculty in open revolt on Kunshan. Senior professors demanding special investigative commission.
Fear for A and S budget on home campus
There are even more developments on Kunshan in the past few hours. We have documents, confirmed.
However, FC and the Deputies have a lot to do before we can post. Probably late Wednesday.


Lacrosse...

Potti...

Kunshan...


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Edited by Quasimodo, Apr 12 2011, 07:46 PM.
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Quasimodo
Apr 12 2011, 12:08 PM
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The person who reported his was Prof. Karla Holloway and not Wahneema. Holloway descriibed the incident in January 3 2007 e-mail.

According to Karla, she overheard John Burness talking to Duke Police who were told by Durham Police that some unknown person reported a racial slur by one of the lacrosse players. No one has ever confirmed this third-hand claim.

See page 325 of "Until Proven Innocent"



"The allegation was false: No such witness statement existed, and none of the witnesses at the party…had ever suggested such a thing. Yet the Wilmington Journal… printed this fifth-hand gossip."

Did Burness fabricate this entire conversation so that Holloway could overhear it?
?
While I’m there, I heard from someone that was in front of my house that words were exchanged between the woman in the driver’s seat and the kids spilling onto East Campus. One of the kids said to the stripper, “Well, we asked for whites, not ni__ers!” The woman said, ”That’s a hate crime, I’m calling the police.” This happened around 12:30 AM (Tuesday). -MRZ, 12:016 AM 3/17/2006

All the facts come out in discovery.
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Just a little fact check. In 1994 Brodhead says he has been moving toward multiculturalism for 15 years. Whoa! In 1986 he heard about it after his THE SCHOOL OF HAWTHORNE was finished and twisted and turned in the preface defending his treating famous dead white men. THAT'S when he got scared and decided he had better get with it and go PC.



P.S. Wednesday afternoon. Something very odd is going on with "Richard Brodhead: Troth and Consequences" on my blog still. 53 hits today. The other Brodhead pieces are getting 2 or 3 at most, most days, a little more sometimes. What could be going on? One lone person out there who likes the title? I HOPE it's being read.
Edited by Payback, Apr 13 2011, 04:19 PM.
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Quasimodo
Apr 12 2011, 07:43 PM
Fact Checker will be out tomorrow with story affecting Brodhead:

Quote:
 
http://dukefactchecker.blogspot.com/

Faculty in open revolt on Kunshan. Senior professors demanding special investigative commission.
Fear for A and S budget on home campus
There are even more developments on Kunshan in the past few hours. We have documents, confirmed.
However, FC and the Deputies have a lot to do before we can post. Probably late Wednesday.


Lacrosse...

Potti...

Kunshan...


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Don't forget about Frank Lombard - - that wacky "perv dad for fun'!

How about the Sex Workers Art show, too?

Yep, "Uncle Dick" has had a storied tenure at "the Plantation" alright!
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