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Tara Levicy's Original Role; She did not do the examination
Topic Started: Apr 5 2011, 09:49 AM (1,413 Views)
Bill Anderson
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I think that one of the things that most of the media has missed about Tara Levicy is that she did not do the exam on Crystal Mangum because she was not yet certified as a SANE. Instead, Dr. Julie Manly did the exam, while Levicy stood back and watched, and then assisted here and there.

However, Levicy signed the exam as though she had done it, and then she began to alter the story. That my friends, is fraud, and criminal fraud at that. Duke continues to cover for her when the people involved had and continue to have knowledge that she was acting fraudulently from the start.

Given all of the other "high-powered" people in this case, it is ironic that much of it revolves around the lies of someone who before Crystal came into the ER was a peripheral character at DUMC at best.

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Apr 5 2011, 09:49 AM
I think that one of the things that most of the media has missed about Tara Levicy is that she did not do the exam on Crystal Mangum because she was not yet certified as a SANE. Instead, Dr. Julie Manly did the exam, while Levicy stood back and watched, and then assisted here and there.

However, Levicy signed the exam as though she had done it, and then she began to alter the story. That my friends, is fraud, and criminal fraud at that. Duke continues to cover for her when the people involved had and continue to have knowledge that she was acting fraudulently from the start.

Given all of the other "high-powered" people in this case, it is ironic that much of it revolves around the lies of someone who before Crystal came into the ER was a peripheral character at DUMC at best.

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A prevailing state of mind--the willingness to defraud, what with "constructive fraud" remaining along with obstruction of justice as charges to be faced by Richard H. Brodhead.
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Absolutely! I have always believed Duke University was involve in a cover up at what happened at DUMC. It is mainly why they settle for a purported Millions with RCD. They wanted to seal up what had happened and to hide the obstruction of Justice that the Duke Adminsitration was certainly aware of. There are of course other actions that crossed over the line.

Duke thought they were home free, then the other lawsuits happened. They settle with Pressler twice after big mouth Burness couldn't zip it. It was discovery they feared. Now with the reality of depositions coming that will include DUMC personnel they must be worried. They have spent millions stalling, hoping that the charges would be dismissed. Why not just issue an apolgy and settle?

Dr. Manly never finished the exam, she walked out after Crystal refused to continue. In essence Levicy should have just honestly admitted that to Gottlieb & Himan and Nifong. Did she? I doubt it. Where was Arico the Sane Unit I/C that morning? I suspect she was out at the annual meeting of fire watchers. Who was supervising her? Who reviewed the exam? Did she change the exam?

We know DUMC was full of rumours of the horrendous injuries. They were false. Who was spreading them? The Duke PD were right when they said it would blow over. But why didn't it? Were Duke PD ordered to change actual reports? Were DUMC personnel ordered to shut up to cover up what was going to be a real embarrassment to Duke?

I have no doubt Levicy was given the heave-ho, but who knows if the Duke paid her off also?

There are many questions to be answered. They revolve around Levicy, Arico, Dr. Manly, & Dzau.

I doubt their stories will mesh in depositions as each rat deserts the ship to save their own hide under oath in a Federal suit.,
Edited by Baldo, Apr 5 2011, 12:17 PM.
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Maybe it was going to blow over, until Levicy decided to be proactive.

Did she change the records to cover for HERSELF after she exaggerated to the police. But then, why did Manly not speak up.

I personally heard some of those DUMC rumors. I was told that Mangum had been severely beaten. Now how did that story take hold and become unshakable? No one contradicted it?

Baldo, you are right... that is the question.
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The "blow over" soon blew out the window when the investigation was re-opened. The chain of events involving Levicy & Gottlieb(?) might be a coincidence, or ???????

With so much time having already passed, and knowing the defense strategy will be to delay with every tactic possible; I have to wonder if any at Duke will suffer much from having the truth exposed. They’ve already spent tens of millions that does not come directly out of the pockets of anyone there and at some point it’s just a few million more to solve an OLD problem.


ADD: Any involved are either still there or employed doing the same job someplace else (exception for Levicy, but no news of her starving).
Edited by kbp, Apr 5 2011, 01:00 PM.
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Tara Levicy's Original Role

I look for it in an upcoming Lifetime Movie.

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So why wait all that time for Levicy, who couldn't do the exam anyway? They couldn't get a qualified SANE right away for a rape victim?
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Apr 5 2011, 04:21 PM
So why wait all that time for Levicy, who couldn't do the exam anyway? They couldn't get a qualified SANE right away for a rape victim?
Why give a Sane Exam assignment to a nurse who possibly doesn't have a Sane License & approval on file in the Hospital?

One partial answer is maybe the Drs & nurses thought Crystal was drunk, a user, faking, and would sleep it off then go home. So they put her on a gurney in a hallway. They weren't about to call in a real Sane Nurse. Who knows why Levicy was assign? She sure signed it as a Sane Nurse-in-Training.

It is a good question. Maybe it was just a practice exam? It could have been a comedy of errors with Levicy all to ready to promote her ideology and she just grabbed Crystal.

Whatever it was, it was probably a decision DUMC regretted and they tried to cover it up. Once the rape story went "viral" they all played possum to cover their butts. Imagine the wrath in the community if it was discovered DUMC didn't believe sister survivor?

Edited by Baldo, Apr 5 2011, 05:05 PM.
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Apr 5 2011, 05:04 PM
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Apr 5 2011, 04:21 PM
So why wait all that time for Levicy, who couldn't do the exam anyway? They couldn't get a qualified SANE right away for a rape victim?
Why give a Sane Exam assignment to a nurse who possibly doesn't have a Sane License & approval on file in the Hospital?

One partial answer is maybe the Drs & nurses thought Crystal was drunk, a user, faking, and would sleep it off then go home. So they put her on a gurney in a hallway. They weren't about to call in a real Sane Nurse. Who knows why Levicy was assign? She sure signed it as a Sane Nurse-in-Training.

It is a good question. Maybe it was just a practice exam? It could have been a comedy of errors with Levicy all to ready to promote her ideology and she just grabbed Crystal.

Whatever it was, it was probably a decision DUMC regretted and they tried to cover it up. Once the rape story went "viral" they all played possum to cover their butts. Imagine the wrath in the community if it was discovered DUMC didn't believe sister survivor?

Baldo - What you suggest sounds quite plausible. I am sure that there are those at DUMC who have been pressured not to say anything - that if they do some minor indiscretion of their will be put forward and ruin their careers. There are few people, particularly those who might have enormous education loans to pay off, who will put their careers on the line - an unfortunate state of affairs but it is a fact of life.
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"One partial answer is maybe the Drs & nurses thought Crystal was drunk, a user, faking, and would sleep it off then go home."


Actually sounds to me like more of a reason to have a well experienced SANE do the exam. Can't wait to read WHY they used Levicy.
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Duke Hospital had a cadre of on-call SANE nurses on-call:

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http://liestoppers.blogspot.com/2008/05/our-collective-voice-allegations.html

It is uncertain why there was a delay in her SANE exam between 2:40 a.m. until after 7 a.m., when she was finally seen by Levicy to take a history, and until after 9 a.m. when she actually had a pelvic examination. Duke Hospital policy requires at least one SANE to be on duty at all times. As of November 2004, Duke Hospital employed 14 fully trained SANE nurses on a full-time basis (C 114). The hospital policy was to have a SANE on call for night admissions to the Emergency Department, yet no one was called in even though Mangum arrived at 2:40 a.m.

According to blogger Professor KC Johnson, “SANE nurse-in-training Levicy arrived for work at 6.45 a.m. the morning of March 14. Since Mangum still hadn’t been seen by a SANE nurse, the Charge Nurse asked Levicy to examine the patient. It remains unclear as to why Duke allowed a SANE nurse-in-training to perform this task without supervision from a certified SANE nurse.” (5) There was also no supervision by a physician to start.


Many have speculated that since Levicy was completing her SANE training and needed more "practice" exams, that someone in the Duke ED decided to let Mangum, who was at that point lying on a gurney in a hallway, sleep it out until the AM shift, including Levicy, would arrive.

Normal procedure if a "rape victim" came in would be to call in a certified on-call SANE. Delays can affect the evidence, such as sperm samples. Perhaps they did not take Mangum seriously in view of her changing stories to the nurses and MDs who saw her earlier.

The deposition of Levicy should give some answers to this question.

As Baldo points out above, the more important question is the cover-up of the botched SANE exam and altered SAER by Levicy, Arico and DUMC-- this is the real issue regarding obstruction of justice. The e-mail records of Dzau, D'Arico and Manly would be high on my list of subpoenaed items, as well as the records of DUMC legal affairs and risk management.






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I will bet anything that most of those emails were erased long ago. They are not going to keep anything around that will incriminate them, or provide a record of bad behavior. Those emails, I would bet, disappeared into cyberspace years ago.

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I've lost track of some of the chronology pertaining to the Duke ER incident... but if I recall correctly, GM was not originally thought to be a "victim" of rape, was she? Wasn't that an idea that was more or less planted by Levicy? It if was thought that Mangum was just sleeping off a bad drunk, there would have been no reason to call in a SANE. I feel certain that the ER folks must have known Mangum from previous ("non-rape") visits. I know when I was DON in an ER, we had our frequent visitors like Mangum. Some of them showed up most weekends, often beatn up by the same boyfriend. Sad, sad repeaters. Refresher please, on when it was on the way from Buchanan to the Duke ER or shortly afterward that the rape idea emerged?
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I've lost track of some of the chronology pertaining to the Duke ER incident... but if I recall correctly, GM was not originally thought to be a "victim" of rape, was she? Wasn't that an idea that was more or less planted by Levicy? It if was thought that Mangum was just sleeping off a bad drunk, there would have been no reason to call in a SANE. I feel certain that the ER folks must have known Mangum from previous ("non-rape") visits. I know when I was DON in an ER, we had our frequent visitors like Mangum. Some of them showed up most weekends, often beatn up by the same boyfriend. Sad, sad repeaters. Refresher please, on when it was on the way from Buchanan to the Duke ER or shortly afterward that the rape idea emerged?
The rape idea started at Durham Access before Crystal was in the Duke ED. She was asked by the intake person at Durham Access whether she had been raped and Crystal said yes. Then she was taken to the Duke ED per protoccol for a "rape victim."
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Apr 6 2011, 07:41 AM
Duke Hospital had a cadre of on-call SANE nurses on-call:

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http://liestoppers.blogspot.com/2008/05/our-collective-voice-allegations.html

It is uncertain why there was a delay in her SANE exam between 2:40 a.m. until after 7 a.m., when she was finally seen by Levicy to take a history, and until after 9 a.m. when she actually had a pelvic examination. Duke Hospital policy requires at least one SANE to be on duty at all times. As of November 2004, Duke Hospital employed 14 fully trained SANE nurses on a full-time basis (C 114). The hospital policy was to have a SANE on call for night admissions to the Emergency Department, yet no one was called in even though Mangum arrived at 2:40 a.m.

According to blogger Professor KC Johnson, “SANE nurse-in-training Levicy arrived for work at 6.45 a.m. the morning of March 14. Since Mangum still hadn’t been seen by a SANE nurse, the Charge Nurse asked Levicy to examine the patient. It remains unclear as to why Duke allowed a SANE nurse-in-training to perform this task without supervision from a certified SANE nurse.” (5) There was also no supervision by a physician to start.


Many have speculated that since Levicy was completing her SANE training and needed more "practice" exams, that someone in the Duke ED decided to let Mangum, who was at that point lying on a gurney in a hallway, sleep it out until the AM shift, including Levicy, would arrive.

Normal procedure if a "rape victim" came in would be to call in a certified on-call SANE. Delays can affect the evidence, such as sperm samples. Perhaps they did not take Mangum seriously in view of her changing stories to the nurses and MDs who saw her earlier.

The deposition of Levicy should give some answers to this question.

As Baldo points out above, the more important question is the cover-up of the botched SANE exam and altered SAER by Levicy, Arico and DUMC-- this is the real issue regarding obstruction of justice. The e-mail records of Dzau, D'Arico and Manly would be high on my list of subpoenaed items, as well as the records of DUMC legal affairs and risk management.






Was there less staff coverage on the Monday of Spring Break? Was the hospital short-staffed?
Don't they check someone's medical records when they come in?
They HAD to know who they were dealing with.
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