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Crystal Mangum Arrested Overnight - 4/3/11; Who didn't see this coming?
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And about the rope statement being racist? It never occurred to me!!!!

But is it not true that the corrupt public and LE officials in DUrham ARE hanging their county with it's own rope?

And just for the record... are statements racist, or are people racist?

If I say something that carries no racist intent on my part, but is taken that way by someone else, does that make it racist?

Or, if I am as sweet as sugar, but make racist innuendoes and have racism in my heart, does my sweetness discount my racism?

I think I'm too old to figure out the PC perversions of communication. I always though intent was what was in your heart.
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For Crystal's arson charge last year, she or one of her pals had to post up 10% to a bail bondsman who then got her out of jail. That money never gets refunded to the customer. That's just the way the bondsman makes his living. And a darn good living at that

Walt, are you serious? The people who got Crystal out on bond last year literally made a gift on her behalf and did not get a penny of it back when she showed up for court. Then it is more unbelievable to me that there are people doing this for her. In the case of RDC, their bond was returned to them once they were declared innocent and the case dismissed. How is Crystal different.
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Apr 6 2011, 08:16 PM


For Crystal's arson charge last year, she or one of her pals had to post up 10% to a bail bondsman who then got her out of jail. That money never gets refunded to the customer. That's just the way the bondsman makes his living. And a darn good living at that.

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It was my understanding that one of Durham Bail Bondsman was lobbied hard by the Friends of Crystal Mangum and Friends of Mike Nifong - and he stepped up in support of Crystal and secured her bond.

In other words, no money was paid to the Bail Bondsman.

Others paid for her hair, her outfits, her transportation, her spending money and so forth.

Crystal's Mother's club beats the bushes and solicits contributions and services to be donated to Crystal.

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Apr 6 2011, 08:36 PM
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Apr 6 2011, 08:16 PM


For Crystal's arson charge last year, she or one of her pals had to post up 10% to a bail bondsman who then got her out of jail. That money never gets refunded to the customer. That's just the way the bondsman makes his living. And a darn good living at that.

Walt-in-Durham
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It was my understanding that one of Durham Bail Bondsman was lobbied hard by the Friends of Crystal Mangum and Friends of Mike Nifong - and he stepped up in support of Crystal and secured her bond.

In other words, no money was paid to the Bail Bondsman.

Others paid for her hair, her outfits, her transportation, her spending money and so forth.

Crystal's Mother's club beats the bushes and solicits contributions and services to be donated to Crystal.

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"She is charged with first-degree arson, three counts of contributing to the delinquency of a minor, injury to personal property, and resisting an officer.

Her bail was set at $100,000. Hammond & Hammond Bail Bondsman in Durham posted her bond for free, because they say it was the right thing to do."


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http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7446532


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Apr 6 2011, 08:44 PM

"She is charged with first-degree arson, three counts of contributing to the delinquency of a minor, injury to personal property, and resisting an officer.

Her bail was set at $100,000. Hammond & Hammond Bail Bondsman in Durham posted her bond for free, because they say it was the right thing to do."


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http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7446532


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"It was the right thing to do"? How many times have we we heard a
variation on that phrase from Nifong, Meehan, Cline, etc ??

Both Nifong and Meehan stated under oath that they were just trying
"to do the right thing" (Meehan said it during the infamous Dec 15 hearing.)

I like what one CNN correspondent said after Nifong said that at his his Bar Trial:

"No, Mike. You NEVER did the right thing in this case, not once."
Edited by MikeZPU, Apr 6 2011, 09:04 PM.
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Apr 6 2011, 08:16 PM
For Crystal's arson charge last year, she or one of her pals had to post up 10% to a bail bondsman who then got her out of jail.

Hi Walt, I was speaking specifically of Crystal's situation when she was released Spring, 2010.

Mangum released on bond


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Durham bail bondsman Lonnie Hammond said he and his wife, Janet, read the story about Clark's effort, discussed the matter and decided that they wanted to help Mangum.

"We posted $100,000 on Ms. Mangum," Lonnie (sic) Mangum said. "We did it pro bono."


Looks like Lonnie done her a solit. The way the story's written notwithstanding, I doubt that Hammond actually dropped 100 large on Durham County for a $250,000 bail. He just added her to the list.
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If I understand correctly,
the 10% bond that was paid by bail bondsman/??whomever?? was a 'gift' to newly annointed 'saint of mahrud', CGM. the hard-working mother of 2/3, NCCU honor student, working to put herself through college. She is a special friend of many of D'hams LE and politicos.

This 'gift' , feel sure, was NOT for services previously rendered. She is presently receiving/has received $$ from gov't to support her children and children's lifestyle and is/was currently accepting $$ from others to support her personal lifestyle --- outfits, hair, transportation, etc

Does she have a valid driver's license? Who takes children to schools? With moving around so frequently, how does a Dham school bus know where to pick up the children for their school? (Should not children be re-registered when they change school zones?)

Laws apply to me and thee ....... but not for ???
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Apr 6 2011, 08:16 PM
are statements racist, or are people racist?

That depends on what color you are, of course.

An' dat's rasis!
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Apr 6 2011, 08:20 PM
In the case of RDC, their bond was returned to them once they were declared innocent and the case dismissed. How is Crystal different.

RDC's bonds were Cash; CGM's was/is Secured. Big difference, as I explained earlier.
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Apr 6 2011, 09:09 PM
If I understand correctly,
the 10% bond that was paid by bail bondsman/??whomever?? was a 'gift' to newly annointed 'saint of mahrud', CGM. the hard-working mother of 2/3, NCCU honor student, working to put herself through college. She is a special friend of many of D'hams LE and politicos.

This 'gift' , feel sure, was NOT for services previously rendered. She is presently receiving/has received $$ from gov't to support her children and children's lifestyle and is/was currently accepting $$ from others to support her personal lifestyle --- outfits, hair, transportation, etc

Does she have a valid driver's license? Who takes children to schools? With moving around so frequently, how does a Dham school bus know where to pick up the children for their school? (Should not children be re-registered when they change school zones?)

Laws apply to me and thee ....... but not for ???
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Unless she got one in the past 6 months, prior to that she didn't have one, but the Media knew she was driving when it was convenient for her.



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I just had to bump this thread. Was she still in jail as of yesterday?
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Apr 6 2011, 09:07 PM
Durham bail bondsman Lonnie Hammond said he and his wife, Janet, read the story about Clark's effort, discussed the matter and decided that they wanted to help Mangum.

"We posted $100,000 on Ms. Mangum," Lonnie (sic) Mangum said. "We did it pro bono."


I sure missed that one. Lonnie Hammond must have taken leave of his senses or ... there was some other quid for his quo. I have just lost all respect for Lonnie.

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Looks like Lonnie done her a solit. The way the story's written notwithstanding, I doubt that Hammond actually dropped 100 large on Durham County for a $250,000 bail. He just added her to the list.

You are right, he wouldn't have to deposit cash. He is a registered bail bondsman. All he has to do is put her on his list.

Walt-in-Durham
Edited by Walt-in-Durham, Apr 9 2011, 03:23 PM.
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So nobody's safe?
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Apr 9 2011, 03:22 PM
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Apr 6 2011, 09:07 PM
Durham bail bondsman Lonnie Hammond said he and his wife, Janet, read the story about Clark's effort, discussed the matter and decided that they wanted to help Mangum.

"We posted $100,000 on Ms. Mangum," Lonnie (sic) Mangum said. "We did it pro bono."


I sure missed that one. Lonnie Hammond must have taken leave of his senses or ... there was some other quid for his quo. I have just lost all respect for Lonnie.

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Looks like Lonnie done her a solit. The way the story's written notwithstanding, I doubt that Hammond actually dropped 100 large on Durham County for a $250,000 bail. He just added her to the list.

You are right, he wouldn't have to deposit cash. He is a registered bail bondsman. All he has to do is put her on his list.

Walt-in-Durham
I believe the Hammonds bailed Crystal when she was jailed after she set the fire, not with the current situation.
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Apr 6 2011, 08:54 AM
Go back with me to the night this all began.

Sgt. Shelton responded to the Kroger parking lot and found a passed out drunk/drug addled stripper/prostitute in Kim's car. She refused to get out of the car. Sgt. Shelton correctly surmised she was faking. He managed to load her up and deliver her to Durham Access.

The story should have ended there.

But someone at Durham Access suggested to Crystal "Were you raped?" First mention of this possibility. And Crystal took it like a trout takes a fly. She had reason to believe that if she got locked up in a mental institution again the meal ticket (her children) would be taken away from her. Also, as she openly said, she planned to "Make money off the white boys".

This nothing event (a passed out prostitute/drug addict) was turned into a major disaster. Who knew what--when and how did they manage to turn this nothing into something so horrible. So many questions remain.

Are we at last going to get to the TRUTH?????

I think that's why we're all still here. And the lingering hope that we can in some way still make a difference and show this to the world for what it truly is--and hope to prevent it from happening again.
There is more to the early story than this which makes me wonder if some of this was a set up. When the guys ended the strippers non dancing act and were leaving the story goes that crystal wanted to go back into the house to make more money. Although we all know she was a prostitute would she dare go back into the house for any reason with so many guys hanging around who just told her to go? After all didnt she say she was terrified a few minutes after starting. During that time she also was using her phone. Who did she call? Someone in the DPD? I dont think we know. Did crystal fall down on the back porch to get bruised? When crystal and Kim finally drove away from the party it took them a while to get to Krogers. Were not the cops close by also? One thing that always bothered me was why did Kim say that crystal said she wanted kim to put marks on her. Why did crystal want to be marked, hurt and bruised. She wasnt afraid of losing her kids at that time driving in Kims car. So why even think about claiming a sex assault or rape? Did that mean that crystal had plans to make a complaint of getting beat up? Or did crystal have plans for making accusations of a sexual assault? And for what reason? What did crystal think she could win with such accusations. Was she really thinking about money when that drunk? If she wanted to do that she had many chances over many weeks to make those claims. Why did she wait for the LAX party? When was the last time crystal claimed rape or a sexual assault since she was told to lie about it when a teenager? (never) Why this time? And if crystal had those plans why did she not tell Shelton at Krogers that she was attacked? Was she so worried about losing her kids even though we now know that she can burn her house with the kids in it and still be considered a good mother? Was she known as something different back on March 14th, 2006? Was she really all that drunk? And if crystal did say she wanted marks on her and Kim did not cooperate did crystal fake the conversation at Durham access enough to cause the nurse to ask her if she was sexually assaulted or raped? Was she so drunk that she could think of her kids anyway and be worried about losing them? Why would she think she was going to lose them. She can be found guilty of child neglect and still keep them. If she was so drunk how could she be aware enough when at Durham access to realize that she would have problems with her kids? Shelton even indicated that crystal was faking being passed out with the ammonia or smelling salts didn't he? What is in the Duke ED report indicating that crystal was drunk or was she faking again? No blood test done on a drunk? No breathalyzer? Why was crystal even chosen to go to the LAX party? Kim sure fulfilled one of the requests of a mixed dancer. Although she wasn't white mixed she was I believe, spanish mixed or something mixed. Crystals actions during this very early period just dont add up. Why did Kim;s story even change? Kim knew it was a crock from the LAX house to Krogers. If durham access was that concerned and relayed that info to Duke ED via the DPD why was no SANE called or anything else done to prove that a rape had occurred. Did durham access not consider a rape claim an emergency? And then without any evidence but a few doctors and a few nurses looking over Crystal they came to the conclusion that nothing happened. Not a rape, not a sexual assault, nothing. Case closed. Crystal was well known by the Durham cops.

We must never forget that gottleib reintroduced the accusations of a sexual assault. And his reintroduction was so rapid that e-mails went out almost immediately that day or the next day saying that a terrible rape had occurred. No evidence. Evidently, the plan (my opinion) went so bad that gottlieb had to put out e-mails saying a rape had occurred, even though crystal never said a real rape had occurred to the 10's of professional people she interacted with that famous night. Gottlieb knew too much about the case before he had any reason to send out any communications. And is that why when the guys lawyered up he went ballistic and wanted NTO's and everything else at that time? Gottlieb knew that nothing happened. In fact gottlieb knew too much about the case.

Did word of the party leak out to some neighbors and some how they notified someone like gottlieb and crystal was actually a set up for the party where some type of accusations would be made? We and the DPD new that someone like crystal could be talked into anything if the price was right and the threats were made. The only thing that crystal had to do was say that a sexual assault happened and she would get some reward? Did she try that tactic in Kims car? Did she forget at Durham access and that is why a nurse had to ask her. Not a, and actually against a Durham access policy.

There are just way to many pegs not fitting in their holes in the early stages of this hoax and then frame. There was more than just crystal making this story up. I dont know, maybe I am wrong. I just cant figure out how a drunk could make such a story up. After all, crystal cannot even write about her own life in a book. How in the world could she make all this up at the spur of the moment. IMO, the evidence DPD wanted was as simple as bruises. And crystal could not even do that right. With bruises there would have been arrests just about immediately. When their was nothing, panic set in. After all, did not their "TEAM" look long and hard for any evidence? Their team even hid the non evidence that would prove the guys INNOCENT. Like Burness said to a reporter, "For what?"

And that "For what" by Burness sure does reinforce to me that burness knew the guys were innocent but decided that whatever they did was bad enough, so no apology needed.

Just some thoughts, thats all.
Edited by chatham, Apr 9 2011, 05:38 PM.
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