| Crystal Mangum Arrested Overnight - 4/3/11; Who didn't see this coming? | |
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| Mason | Apr 5 2011, 09:27 PM Post #496 |
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. However, it is clear the DPD had experience and knowledge of Crystal before all this. I think they knew the routine with Crystal - and that routine seemed to be an highly inordinate benign treatment from Patrol Cops. Cops aren't social workers - and certainly not in these parts. Is there something else that warranted this treatment of Crystal? . |
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| maggief | Apr 5 2011, 09:31 PM Post #497 |
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FLASHBACK: (no link) Expert says players' alibis not 'foolproof' - Law school dean thinks DA must have more evidence Herald-Sun, The (Durham, NC) - Friday, April 21, 2006 Author: JOHN STEVENSON jstevenson@heraldsun.com; 419-6643 They contend they have alibis, and SBI tests show their DNA didn't match any found on an exotic dancer. But two Duke lacrosse players may have an uphill battle against allegations that they raped the woman last month at an off-campus party. That was the assessment Thursday of Willis Whichard , dean of Campbell University Law School and a former N.C. Supreme Court justice. Whichard said Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong "has got to have something" or he wouldn't have obtained indictments this week against the two players: Reade Seligmann, 20, of Essex Fells, N.J., and Collin Finnerty, 19, of Garden City, N.Y. The two were arrested early Tuesday and released almost immediately under $400,000 cash bonds, posted with cashier's checks. They stand to receive at least 46 years in prison if convicted of all charges: first-degree rape, first-degree sex offense and kidnapping. "I would guess there was some credible evidence for Mr. Nifong to go to the grand jury with this," said Whichard , a former Durham resident. He also said, the alibis are not "foolproof evidence." Defense lawyers say there is documentation to prove that Seligmann made cell phone calls beginning at 12:07 a.m. March 14, that he was picked up by a cab at 12:19 a.m. and that he was at a Ninth Street Wachovia ATM at 12:24 a.m., where he was photographed by a security camera. The lawyers, citing pictures they say were taken by an unidentified student at the house party, contend the only plausible time for the alleged rape was between 12:10 and 12:30 a.m. Police and prosecutors, however, have not publicly pinpointed the time of the alleged attack. Finnerty contends he was at a Mexican restaurant near Ninth Street, several blocks from 610 N. Buchanan Blvd., where the party and alleged rape occurred. The indictments against Seligmann and Finnerty apparently were based on the dancer's visual identification of her alleged attackers and on a Duke medical report indicating the woman suffered vaginal and anal trauma. Science lacking - so far Firm scientific evidence seems to be lacking so far. Although 46 lacrosse players gave DNA samples, the SBI found no DNA from any of them in or on the dancer's body, on her clothing and belongings or under her fingernails -- even though she claimed she clawed at her assailants to fend them off. Additional DNA results from a private laboratory still had not come back Thursday. While predicting the two men might have a tough legal fight ahead of them, Whichard conceded that lack of DNA matches "could be very critical in the trial." (snip) |
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| Mason | Apr 5 2011, 09:37 PM Post #498 |
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. I apologize if this has been covered. Did Crystal think that Reginald Daye was going to die? She stabbed him and took his money. Taking the money indicates she may have believed simply stabbing someone in the chest would be their demise. She may have thought she just offed the only witness. The officer in the 2010 Trial testified that Crystal said she was going to stab her then Boyfriend, Milton Walker. . Edited by Mason, Apr 5 2011, 09:46 PM.
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| Deleted User | Apr 5 2011, 09:37 PM Post #499 |
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Thanks Payback and abb for the post. Definitely, Whichard needs to be deposed. He was a logical set up to make certain Durham County came out smelling like a rose in the phoney investigation which lasted approx. 48 hours. Cheshire, Cooney, et al. were wasting their breath to think this committee had an interest in reform. It was just another circus act. |
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| LTC8K6 | Apr 5 2011, 10:15 PM Post #500 |
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Where are the armed robbery charges, or at least robbery... |
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| Joan Foster | Apr 6 2011, 04:56 AM Post #501 |
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Let me add a little to Professor Payback's excellent analysis. From Brodhead's letter: "The university is guided by the principles of openness, inclusiveness, mutual toleration, and mutual respect. Everything that furthers these causes advances our ability to work together toward the truth no individual or group can reach alone. Everything that hinders these causes retards the search for wisdom and knowledge. The university is also founded on the principle that we have an obligation to seek the truth, and that truth is established through evidence and disciplined inquiry. Reaching certainty without evidence or process is a double wrong in a university because it opens the door to injustice and violates our commitment to the truth." This is a key paragraph to me in regard to Brodhead's refusal to read the Defense case file. He is correct that the truth is something no individual or group can reach alone. But this is exactly what his Administration and radical faculty CHOSE to do. Indeed they were seemingly "determined" to reach certainty without evidence or process, THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE. But Brodhead adamantly refused to allow himself to KNOW that. Brodhead determined it was "best for Duke" for him to remain uneducated and uninformed while a rogue prosecutor and his racist faculty savaged his own students. This paragraph of his letter is an amazing piece of virulent hypocrisy.. The man is a Toad. He continues: "In keeping with these values, I want to announce five steps Duke will take to address the issues before us. Some will be accomplished in a short period of time; others will require our sustained attention. 1. Investigation of men's lacrosse. In regard to men's lacrosse, I have announced today that the men's lacrosse season and all associated activities have been cancelled. Lacrosse coach Mike Pressler submitted his resignation today to Athletics Director Joe Alleva and it was accepted, effective immediately." In keeping with the values he details in the previous paragraph..that would be "obligation to seek the truth, and that truth is established through evidence and disciplined inquiry."...he FIRES Pressler immediately. Brodhead states: "I assure you, however, that the Duke disciplinary system will be brought to bear as soon as this can appropriately be done." I would like to know if the Duke disciplinary system was even ONE time, one time brought to bear against ...one person... in regard to the injustices heaped upon these kids? if not, why not? Did the pledge only work as a weapon for the campus radicals? Brodhead again: 2. Investigation of Duke Administration Response. I have heard a good deal of criticism of the Duke administration for being slow to respond to the allegations against the team associated with March 13. At meetings with faculty, students, community members, and others, I have explained why it took time to know how to respond: we learned the full magnitude of the allegations only gradually, as police and other information was reported in the media, and indeed it appears it took the police themselves some time to understand the nature of the case. Nevertheless, I want to address the concern that my administration did not respond as quickly as we should have and to learn any lessons this episode can teach. To that end, I have asked two individuals with outstanding experience in higher education and civil rights to look into the role of the Duke administration and Duke Athletics in handling this episode. I am grateful to William Bowen, President of the Andrew Mellon Foundation and former President of Princeton University, and Julius Chambers, former Director-Counsel of the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund and past Chancellor of North Carolina Central University, for agreeing to take on this task. They have agreed to report their findings and make any recommendations to me by May 15. WHERE IS THE COMMITTEE APPOINTED TO INVESTIGATE THE DUKE RESPONSE, THE RACIST RUSH TO JUDGMENT... IN LIGHT OF WHAT WE KNOW NOW? WHERE IS THE COMMISSION TO INVESTIGATE THE OVERRIDING BIASES THAT FUELED A FRAME? Edited by Joan Foster, Apr 6 2011, 04:57 AM.
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| RighteousThug | Apr 6 2011, 06:55 AM Post #502 |
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So I was traipsing through the archives and ran across this sob-story effort by Susannah Meadows from February 23, 2010. Crystal Mangum’s Return to Court The hilarious part is the sub-head of the story: A sad final chapter to the Duke lacrosse scandal Does anyone have Meadows' email address? ;) |
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| Joan Foster | Apr 6 2011, 07:03 AM Post #503 |
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4/28/06 - 0918 Tell her to include this AUTOBIOGRAPHICAL paragraph by Mangum at 14...in her next article. Called victim [Crystal Mangum] in reference to an earlier sexual assault that she reported at Creedmor police department. She stated that she was dating F_____ at the time. She stated that she had ran away from home on previous times and that she had been found hiding at F____'s house after the police came with a search warrant. She stated that she was used by F____ to sell drugs and take the money to him. She stated that when F____ was not there some men would come over, L____, A_____ and S_____. She stated that she would have sex with them when Floyd was not around. She stated later that the men paid F____ to come over and have sex with her. She stated that one day F_____ confronted the victim about the men that were coming over and having sex with her. She stated that she denied it to him and then he brought the three men to the house. She stated in front of her she asked them and they all said that they had been having sex with her. She stated that F____ grabbed her and they went into the bedroom where she stated three men Mr. F____, A____ and L____ “ran the train on her” she stated she was very scared . In her voice I could sense that she was becoming very emotional, she stated that she did tell some of her family members about it and that she went to Duke Hospital about a week after the incident. She stated that Mr. F____ stated to her that no one would believe her and she stated that she didn’t think anyone would believe her since she had already had sex with them before. She stated that F_____ was very abusive and stated that if she ever told he would find her and that she was very afraid of him at the time. She stated years later she met her husband Mr. McNiel who she confided with about the incident. She stated he urged her to go report the incident so that she could have some closure and that she wont keep it a secret. She stated she reported it to the Creedmor police who did an investigation. She stated that she was told by the investigators that it would be a long process and that at her young age it would be mentally and physically tough and very hard on her. They told her that all three of the men were currently in jail and that were going to be in jail for a significant time. The victim stated that Mr. F_____ had been in jail for pushing his grandmother down the stairs which killed her. [no evidence has been found of this supposed murder] |
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| abb | Apr 6 2011, 07:07 AM Post #504 |
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Don't you know by now that the reporters and editors in the "real" news media aren't interested in feedback from the Little People? They write, we read and believe what they write. That's supposed to be the end of it.
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| RighteousThug | Apr 6 2011, 07:14 AM Post #505 |
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I don't expect, nor desire, a response, abb. I'l just let her know that we know she's an idiot, and that the "final chapter" won't be written until the civil suits are resolved, Crystal is in prison, and Nifong eats a revolver. |
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| abb | Apr 6 2011, 07:37 AM Post #506 |
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IIRC, her email addy was on the correspondence she had with Nifong back in May. That document used to be floating around - I'll see if I can find it. But I can tell you now, she won't be happy to hear from you...
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| abb | Apr 6 2011, 07:42 AM Post #507 |
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Ah, yes. Here 'tis. Don't know if it still works. smeado@newsweek.com |
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| Mason | Apr 6 2011, 07:44 AM Post #508 |
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. Not only did the Narrative not work - they bought themselves a Poster Child. Crystal's name alone makes them ill now. It's like Greta, she LOVED the story when it was a supposed "Gang-Rape" with a Rape Baby (in her mind), now she can't bring herself to report on Crystal and her suitors. . |
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| maggief | Apr 6 2011, 08:22 AM Post #509 |
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"It doesn't look good." http://s1.zetaboards.com/Liestoppers_meeting/topic/2604178/1/ From: Susannah.Meadows To: Michael.b.nifong Sent: Tuesday, 13 June 2006 2:46pm ET Subject: Possible cover story Dear Mike, I've been going over these documents in the duke rape case. And I have to tell you that they raise questions about was known while you were making certain assertions. Please can we talk about this. I'm not asking that you comment on anything that isn't public. We're getting ready to do a big story about this, possibly on the cover, about how certain things were said in public when the facts were known to be different. We won't close the issue until saturday morning. Please think about commenting. As it appears now, it doesn't look good. But I'm sure that's because we haven't heard your side. I can be reached at [redacted] I'll be in durham tomorrow night through friday.all the best, susannah meadows http://dukechronicle.com/article/sex-race-privilege-place-duke-lacrosse-national-headlines Sex, race, privilege place 'Duke lacrosse' in national headlines By Katherine MacIlwaine July 18, 2006 EXCERPT "This is exactly the kind of story we would be interested in," said Newsweek Senior Writer Susannah Meadows, Trinity '95. "It has all these sorts of elements that are at play that pull together the most compelling strands of American life." http://www.newsweek.com/2007/04/22/that-night-at-duke.html That Night at Duke by Susannah Meadows April 23, 2007 EXCERPT For the press, it was an irresistible tale, with its stew of race, sex and class. It was a story that had every ingredient that the press savors. There were entitled rich kids at an exclusive university; there was a white prosecutor who seemed to be playing the race card to get elected by black voters; there was a sympathetic alleged victim, a black woman who was an exotic dancer, but who was also a single mother who said that she was a student at a local college. And lastly, there was an allegation of the most lurid kind of sexual violence. The press needed there to have been a rape to keep the story going. It was much too dull to consider that the lacrosse players deserved the presumption of innocence. Edited by maggief, Apr 6 2011, 08:30 AM.
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| kbp | Apr 6 2011, 08:29 AM Post #510 |
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...he believed the lacrosse players were guilty To believe such we’d have to also believe there is a touch of sincerity in the letter …not some message produced with the objective to play along and please the crowd. |
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