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Crystal Mangum Arrested Overnight - 4/3/11; Who didn't see this coming?
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Arrest= bailout arrest=bailout; arrest= bailout; arrest= bailout; arrest= bailout. Does this look to anybody else beside me like a vicious cycle that should have been broken by somebody with a lick of sense a long time ago? What would have happened to Crystal if she had truly gotten the help to change her life a long time ago?

I am NOT excusing her behavior. She has been out of control a long time. Normally, when that happens, somebody who represents society steps in and protects the person and those around them from harm. Sometimes they are even able to rehabilitate and change them.

I don't even know if Crystal can distinguish between truth and a lie anymore.

I think she is so totally mentally ill that it is unlikely she could even swear to tell the truth. If she were tried and convicted for all the awful things she has done, what good would it be now? I guess we could argue that she has a debt to society. But I wonder if it is not also society that has a debt to her and her children for having opportunity over and over to intervene and choosing not to do so.

I think that all those "protectors" around Crystal have no compassion for the human being inside her skin at all, or they would have gotten her into some facility for however long it took to get to the bottom and see if there is anything left to rehabilitate, or is it all gone?

And especially, I think that the CPS, who were so eager to throw the book at Tonya Craft in Tenn. for the possibility that she TOUCHED a child, are not even responsible enough in Durham to see the horrible conditions that Mangum's children are exposed to every day. Substance abuse, wanton sex, drunkenness, foul living conditions, fire, stabbings.... these kids see in their living rooms stuff that they are not old enough to see in the movies!

This is not just a Mangum tragedy, and a tragedy for the LAX families, it is a tragedy that is repeated all over the country, everyday, without any Liestoppers to even weigh in on the multiplied cases.

I don't have an answer. I have anger and frustration at the whole mess. I am grateful that there are good legal minds like those on this Board, and those who continue to fight and hold on for the DISCOVERY and on to the issues at hand. I can only hope that KC or somebody will write a sequel. And that it will singe the coattails of every agency, every judge, every DA and every LE team out there like those in Durham that have let this go this far. :bump: :bump: :bump:

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Crystal, a Moocher or a Looter?

A moocher is someone who begs or demands handouts or values. A looter is someone who uses force to expropriate values.
Edited by Baldo, Apr 5 2011, 05:11 PM.
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One of Crystal's major problems is that she does not know what the truth is. She is able to convince herself that whatever story she has concocted in the moment is the God's honest truth. Of course, she is helped in this by the group of enablers that surround her. Thus, one moment she is the hard working sweet single mother who is working her way through college in order that she might provide a better life for herself and her children. Another moment she is an honor graduate who is pursuing a graduate degree (full time) in the criminal justice system. Yet another moment she is a victim of the rich white power structure and yet in a blink of an eye she is a battered woman who has been misused by all the men in her life. Of course, all of these stories fail to convince all but her chorus of supporters. What does the rest of the world see? It is simple:
1. a woman with mental issues that render her incapable of making rational decisions
2. a woman who has chemical and alcohol dependencies
3. a woman who resorts to violence when she does not get her way
4. a woman sho has no respect for herself - she uses her body to get what she desires
5. a woman sho is unable to see that those who she considers her friends are in fact using her for their own ends.

Crystal needs help. But she also needs to be placed in some sort of institution (be in prison or a mental helath facility) before she does permanent bodily harm to someone. That a knife was found stuck in the couch in addition to the seven incisions that she made in her boyfriend of the moment strongly suggest that she has escalated in her inability to control her emotions. Who will be next? Her father? Another boyfriend? Or will it be one of her children who will annoy her or get in the way of whatever she wants?

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"My friend has two children and they look like my children", Mangum explained . . .

My boyfriend and the guy that got stabbed seven times look like identical twins. It must have been the other guys girlfriend that stabbed him.
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dsl, I am telling you it is not just Crystal. It is not just Durham Cty. We recently had a person in our country who had been arrested 45 times, once for a murder with eye witnesses which was pled down to felony weapon possession and he just now is finally in custody in Atlanta for killing an armored truck driver in a robbery. 45 arrest and he is still on the street. Our national will to incarcerate these low lifes is nil. Crystal is the tip of the iceberg. Generations of children are suffering because no one seems to be held to account any more.

Edited to add: I must admit that I am not aware of any place that has so used such a low life for political reasons as the enablers in Durham County.
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CALLING WOODY VANN!

News reports of Mangum's 2002 arrest:

The incident began at a topless dance club [Diamond Girls] while the woman was performing for a taxi driver. . .

(snip)

McCrae said he chased the woman at speeds up to 70 mph in a 55-mph zone until she finally stopped.

"As I began to approach the vehicle she put it in drive and drove towards me," McCrae added. "I jumped out of the way to the right and she missed me. The suspect then struck the right rear quarter of my patrol vehicle."

(snip)

The officer said she registered a blood-alcohol concentration of 0.19 on a portable sensing device -- more than double North Carolina's 0.08 legal threshold for impairment.

And while being questioned, the dancer "passed out and was unresponsive,"
McCrae said.

[Sound familiar?]

She was taken to the emergency room at Duke University Hospital, McCrae's report indicated.

[Sound familiar?]

(From another account) :

The woman was charged with driving while impaired, driving with a revoked license, felony speeding to elude arrest, felony assault with a deadly weapon on a government official, and felony larceny of a motor vehicle. Court documents and her criminal and driving records show that her driver's license had been revoked before the incident, but they do not indicate why.

Under a deal with prosecutors, she pleaded guilty to four misdemeanors in the car chase: larceny, speeding to elude arrest, assault on a government official and DWI, according to court records.

She was required to serve three consecutive weekends in jail and was placed on two years' probation. She paid restitution and court costs, and completed her probation.

Woody Vann, a Durham lawyer who defended the woman, said recently that when the case went to court in 2003, he was ready to present 10 character witnesses for his client. She struck him as responsible because she admitted wrongdoing in the case, he said.

[Who were the TEN CHARACTER WITNESSES he had lined up? Were any ADAs among them? How about Nifong? (He knew the family...)? Nifong had IIRC been involved with the family regarding an earlier case.

Cy Gurney? ]
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http://durhamwonderland.blogspot.com/2007/04/neff-nifong-knew-mangum.html

SUNDAY, APRIL 15, 2007

Neff: Nifong Knew Mangum

Joe Neff is in the midst of a superb five-part series in the N&O, which started yesterday and concluded Wednesday. My post on Thursday will list all of the new items that the series revealed. But for today, this nugget:

Nifong was smug and self-assured [at their early April meeting, Bill] Thomas said: "I had 27 years of experience with him, and he was looking me in the eye. He said he had interviewed her, he discussed the details of the case, he believed her and that my view of her as perhaps being a call girl working for an escort service, running around making things up for financial gain, was absolutely false. ... He went on to say what a wonderful person she was. He said she was fully believable, she was intelligent, articulate ... and telling a convincing story about what happened."

[NIFONG SAID HE INTERVIEWED HER! WHEN? BECAUSE HE ALSO CLAIMED LATER THAT HE HAD NOT SPOKEN WITH HER; AND THAT SHE WAS TOO TRAUMATIZED TO SPEAK.

[SO WHY DIDN'T THE MEDIA PICK UP ON THIS?]


Nifong didn't tell Thomas that he knew Mangum and her family. In 1992, one of her uncles who owned a small grocery store in Durham was slain in a robbery. The case dragged on for three years, but finally the killer was tried and convicted.

Nifong was the prosecutor, and the case earned him the Mangum family's confidence, which would have helped Crystal Mangum feel comfortable with Nifong in the Duke case, according to her mother, her brother and a family friend.

"The whole family knew him and trusted him because of that case," said Delois Burnette, a minister who has known the Mangums for decades. "People had confidence in him that he would do us right because he had prosecuted that case."

[I've wondered if she is related to Solomon Burnette? No idea...]


Neff's revelation should serve to raise additional questions about newspapers' policies of not identifying those who claim sexual assault. That Nifong had a history with the family of the person he came to call "my victim" is relevant--not determinative, but one piece of the puzzle worth considering. Granting the accuser anonymity prevented this type of information--or the damning testimony of Mangum's strip-club supervisors--from coming to light.
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TD - this is so true......but this begins at an early age. Children in school cannot be disciplined (I am not talking about spanking, I am just talking about having some sort of consequence - losing recess, sitting at lunch in silence, etc) when they misbehave becuase it would make them feel badly about themselves. They soon learn that anything goes. Hence you have outright chaos in a number of classrooms. This attitude pervades society. There is always an excuse for someone's bad behavior that excuses what he/she has done. It's the "my bad" syndrome.

It is the reason why I wake up at nights worried about where this nation is headed.
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The case dragged on for three years

How old was Mangum in 1992?

For the next three years Nifong was in contact with the family?


Was Crystal in any trouble with the law during those years?

When did Crystal first say she had been gang-raped?

(She didn't assert her claim until 1996, saying she had been raped in 1993.)

Was Crystal involved with drug use during those years?

Might any of this have come to the attention of ADA Nifong?

What about Cy Gurney?

Would Nifong have brought her into contact with his wife's programs?

(Don't know; just questions) But if so, then perhaps there was even
more contact between the families than has hitherto been explored?

Edited by Quasimodo, Apr 5 2011, 05:37 PM.
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Well Quasi, let's name some.

Cy Gurney, Victoria Peterson, Jackie Wagstaff, members of the local NAACP, her pastor or her parents' pastor, teachers from high school and/or NCCU, neighbors. She could probably round up ten who for the sake of her parents wanted to help keep her out of trouble. I just realized, maybe I couldn't come up with ten?????
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Police Report August 18, 1996

Crime/Incidents : Statutory Rape

Crime Incident : Assault on Female

How Attacked or Committed :

Suspects did for a continual time, rape and beat the victim about her person.


Narrative :


On 08/18/96, at about 1815 hours, the reporting officer responded to the police Dept. in reference to taking a report. Upon arrival the R/O spoke with [Crystal Mangum]...stated that three years ago [1993], at an unspecified location on Hillsboro St., three suspects raped and beat her when she was fourteen years old. [Crystal Mangum] stated the three suspects were (1) [name omitted] b/m [black male], unknown address (2) [name omitted] b/m [address omitted], and (3) [name and address omitted], Creedmoor. The R/O advised [Crystal Mangum] to write a chronological ordered statement of the incidents and occurrences that had taken place and return the statement for investigative purposes. No further information.


Was this when Nifong knew the family?

Did Cy Gurney get involved with them?
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Apr 5 2011, 09:48 AM
There is no easy explanation for why Crystal is provided so much help and gets off easy all the time. She can't have 'secret' information on everybody. I suppose the idiots that help her may just want their faces in the news, but we're left short of an explanation for all the special treatment she gets from the courts.


She is the symbol the black activists want to use to keep the white on black rape crimes in the news. It does not matter if it happened. It only mattered that it was in the news. Nifong did the most damage by following their direction. He pursued the case their black votes.

Its not about crystal with these folks. Its about the white and rich and privileged at Duke.
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Apr 5 2011, 05:29 PM
TD - this is so true......but this begins at an early age. Children in school cannot be disciplined (I am not talking about spanking, I am just talking about having some sort of consequence - losing recess, sitting at lunch in silence, etc) when they misbehave becuase it would make them feel badly about themselves. They soon learn that anything goes. Hence you have outright chaos in a number of classrooms. This attitude pervades society. There is always an excuse for someone's bad behavior that excuses what he/she has done. It's the "my bad" syndrome.

It is the reason why I wake up at nights worried about where this nation is headed.
Exactly, this is why I just remarked to a friend today that only the courageous should have children. It's like walking through a daily land mine. I take my hat off to anyone in the teaching profession today who has to stomach this new wussie approach to education. I think we are living it with our current President. He seems to have been cut from the cloth you described.
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4/28/06 - 0918

Called victim [Crystal Mangum] in reference to an earlier sexual assault that she reported at Creedmor police department. She stated that she was dating F_____ at the time. She stated that she had ran away from home on previous times and that she had been found hiding at F____'s house after the police came with a search warrant. She stated that she was used by F____ to sell drugs and take the money to him. She stated that when F____ was not there some men would come over, L____, A_____ and S_____. She stated that she would have sex with them when Floyd was not around. She stated later that the men paid F____ to come over and have sex with her. She stated that one day F_____ confronted the victim about the men that were coming over and having sex with her. She stated that she denied it to him and then he brought the three men to the house. She stated in front of her she asked them and they all said that they had been having sex with her. She stated that F____ grabbed her and they went into the bedroom where she stated three men Mr. F____, A____ and L____ “ran the train on her” she stated she was very scared . In her voice I could sense that she was becoming very emotional, she stated that she did tell some of her family members about it and that she went to Duke Hospital about a week after the incident. She stated that Mr. F____ stated to her that no one would believe her and she stated that she didn’t think anyone would believe her since she had already had sex with them before. She stated that F_____ was very abusive and stated that if she ever told he would find her and that she was very afraid of him at the time. She stated years later she met her husband Mr. McNiel who she confided with about the incident. She stated he urged her to go report the incident so that she could have some closure and that she wont keep it a secret. She stated she reported it to the Creedmor police who did an investigation. She stated that she was told by the investigators that it would be a long process and that at her young age it would be mentally and physically tough and very hard on her. They told her that all three of the men were currently in jail and that were going to be in jail for a significant time. The victim stated that Mr. F_____ had been in jail for pushing his grandmother down the stairs which killed her. [no evidence has been found of this supposed murder]

[AFAIK, the three accused were never in jail. So is this two more lies from Crystal? Does she find it that easy to lie and make up "facts" to suit her convenience?]


She stated that when she found out they were currently in jail, she thought she had closure due to the fact that she had let some one know what happened and that they were going to be in jail for a long time she felt satisfied and she did not pursue it further.

--Notes of Investigator Ben Himan on statement of Ms. Mangum about her earlier accusation of gang rape
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"her criminal and driving records show that her driver's license had been revoked before the incident, but they do not indicate why."

where and what are those details? DUI, DWI, WTF!
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