| Crystal Mangum Arrested Overnight - 4/3/11; Who didn't see this coming? | |
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| Deleted User | Apr 5 2011, 05:09 PM Post #421 |
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Arrest= bailout arrest=bailout; arrest= bailout; arrest= bailout; arrest= bailout. Does this look to anybody else beside me like a vicious cycle that should have been broken by somebody with a lick of sense a long time ago? What would have happened to Crystal if she had truly gotten the help to change her life a long time ago? I am NOT excusing her behavior. She has been out of control a long time. Normally, when that happens, somebody who represents society steps in and protects the person and those around them from harm. Sometimes they are even able to rehabilitate and change them. I don't even know if Crystal can distinguish between truth and a lie anymore. I think she is so totally mentally ill that it is unlikely she could even swear to tell the truth. If she were tried and convicted for all the awful things she has done, what good would it be now? I guess we could argue that she has a debt to society. But I wonder if it is not also society that has a debt to her and her children for having opportunity over and over to intervene and choosing not to do so. I think that all those "protectors" around Crystal have no compassion for the human being inside her skin at all, or they would have gotten her into some facility for however long it took to get to the bottom and see if there is anything left to rehabilitate, or is it all gone? And especially, I think that the CPS, who were so eager to throw the book at Tonya Craft in Tenn. for the possibility that she TOUCHED a child, are not even responsible enough in Durham to see the horrible conditions that Mangum's children are exposed to every day. Substance abuse, wanton sex, drunkenness, foul living conditions, fire, stabbings.... these kids see in their living rooms stuff that they are not old enough to see in the movies! This is not just a Mangum tragedy, and a tragedy for the LAX families, it is a tragedy that is repeated all over the country, everyday, without any Liestoppers to even weigh in on the multiplied cases. I don't have an answer. I have anger and frustration at the whole mess. I am grateful that there are good legal minds like those on this Board, and those who continue to fight and hold on for the DISCOVERY and on to the issues at hand. I can only hope that KC or somebody will write a sequel. And that it will singe the coattails of every agency, every judge, every DA and every LE team out there like those in Durham that have let this go this far. |
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| Baldo | Apr 5 2011, 05:09 PM Post #422 |
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Crystal, a Moocher or a Looter? A moocher is someone who begs or demands handouts or values. A looter is someone who uses force to expropriate values. Edited by Baldo, Apr 5 2011, 05:11 PM.
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| cks | Apr 5 2011, 05:13 PM Post #423 |
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One of Crystal's major problems is that she does not know what the truth is. She is able to convince herself that whatever story she has concocted in the moment is the God's honest truth. Of course, she is helped in this by the group of enablers that surround her. Thus, one moment she is the hard working sweet single mother who is working her way through college in order that she might provide a better life for herself and her children. Another moment she is an honor graduate who is pursuing a graduate degree (full time) in the criminal justice system. Yet another moment she is a victim of the rich white power structure and yet in a blink of an eye she is a battered woman who has been misused by all the men in her life. Of course, all of these stories fail to convince all but her chorus of supporters. What does the rest of the world see? It is simple: 1. a woman with mental issues that render her incapable of making rational decisions 2. a woman who has chemical and alcohol dependencies 3. a woman who resorts to violence when she does not get her way 4. a woman sho has no respect for herself - she uses her body to get what she desires 5. a woman sho is unable to see that those who she considers her friends are in fact using her for their own ends. Crystal needs help. But she also needs to be placed in some sort of institution (be in prison or a mental helath facility) before she does permanent bodily harm to someone. That a knife was found stuck in the couch in addition to the seven incisions that she made in her boyfriend of the moment strongly suggest that she has escalated in her inability to control her emotions. Who will be next? Her father? Another boyfriend? Or will it be one of her children who will annoy her or get in the way of whatever she wants? |
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| Deleted User | Apr 5 2011, 05:18 PM Post #424 |
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"My friend has two children and they look like my children", Mangum explained . . . My boyfriend and the guy that got stabbed seven times look like identical twins. It must have been the other guys girlfriend that stabbed him. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 5 2011, 05:22 PM Post #425 |
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dsl, I am telling you it is not just Crystal. It is not just Durham Cty. We recently had a person in our country who had been arrested 45 times, once for a murder with eye witnesses which was pled down to felony weapon possession and he just now is finally in custody in Atlanta for killing an armored truck driver in a robbery. 45 arrest and he is still on the street. Our national will to incarcerate these low lifes is nil. Crystal is the tip of the iceberg. Generations of children are suffering because no one seems to be held to account any more. Edited to add: I must admit that I am not aware of any place that has so used such a low life for political reasons as the enablers in Durham County. |
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| Quasimodo | Apr 5 2011, 05:26 PM Post #426 |
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| Quasimodo | Apr 5 2011, 05:28 PM Post #427 |
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| cks | Apr 5 2011, 05:29 PM Post #428 |
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TD - this is so true......but this begins at an early age. Children in school cannot be disciplined (I am not talking about spanking, I am just talking about having some sort of consequence - losing recess, sitting at lunch in silence, etc) when they misbehave becuase it would make them feel badly about themselves. They soon learn that anything goes. Hence you have outright chaos in a number of classrooms. This attitude pervades society. There is always an excuse for someone's bad behavior that excuses what he/she has done. It's the "my bad" syndrome. It is the reason why I wake up at nights worried about where this nation is headed. |
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| Quasimodo | Apr 5 2011, 05:29 PM Post #429 |
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How old was Mangum in 1992? For the next three years Nifong was in contact with the family? Was Crystal in any trouble with the law during those years? When did Crystal first say she had been gang-raped? (She didn't assert her claim until 1996, saying she had been raped in 1993.) Was Crystal involved with drug use during those years? Might any of this have come to the attention of ADA Nifong? What about Cy Gurney? Would Nifong have brought her into contact with his wife's programs? (Don't know; just questions) But if so, then perhaps there was even more contact between the families than has hitherto been explored? Edited by Quasimodo, Apr 5 2011, 05:37 PM.
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| Deleted User | Apr 5 2011, 05:29 PM Post #430 |
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Well Quasi, let's name some. Cy Gurney, Victoria Peterson, Jackie Wagstaff, members of the local NAACP, her pastor or her parents' pastor, teachers from high school and/or NCCU, neighbors. She could probably round up ten who for the sake of her parents wanted to help keep her out of trouble. I just realized, maybe I couldn't come up with ten????? |
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| Quasimodo | Apr 5 2011, 05:30 PM Post #431 |
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Was this when Nifong knew the family? Did Cy Gurney get involved with them? |
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| chatham | Apr 5 2011, 05:31 PM Post #432 |
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She is the symbol the black activists want to use to keep the white on black rape crimes in the news. It does not matter if it happened. It only mattered that it was in the news. Nifong did the most damage by following their direction. He pursued the case their black votes. Its not about crystal with these folks. Its about the white and rich and privileged at Duke. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 5 2011, 05:32 PM Post #433 |
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Exactly, this is why I just remarked to a friend today that only the courageous should have children. It's like walking through a daily land mine. I take my hat off to anyone in the teaching profession today who has to stomach this new wussie approach to education. I think we are living it with our current President. He seems to have been cut from the cloth you described. |
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| Quasimodo | Apr 5 2011, 05:32 PM Post #434 |
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| nyesq83 | Apr 5 2011, 05:34 PM Post #435 |
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"her criminal and driving records show that her driver's license had been revoked before the incident, but they do not indicate why." where and what are those details? DUI, DWI, WTF! |
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