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Crystal Mangum Arrested Overnight - 4/3/11; Who didn't see this coming?
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If you couple the bi-polar disorder together with the religion of victimology, Crystal is a a perfect profile of the multiple kinds of people who game the system. We spend a lot of time looking at Crystal and Durham, but there are thousands of Crystals and hundreds of communities like Durham looking the other way.
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Please remember that,according to Crystal and her "driver "Brian it was Daddy Travis who drove her over to Brian's the night of the "rape".They are recorded as being on the phone with him(or someone at the Mangum house) for nearly tem minutes before enterering 611,though they were most of an hout late. The inference that Travis was privy to his daughter's business dealings is irresistable.He regularly lied for her on national tv. but was never,so far as we know,even interviewed by Nifong or the Durham cops.They all knew the familly was running its own scam.
Same for Mother Mary who like Crystal suffers from severe mental debilities.She and Cousin Jackie concocted the story of the 1,000,000 dollar Duke bribe and Cash Michael's ,Rev. Barber's godson, published false statements that he had more than one independent witness who was prepared to back their story.
When the depositions are taken we will want intensive questioning of law enforcement witnesses from Nifong on down as to how they reacted to these nationally broadcast stories and why no effort was made to investigate these allegations.
Of course the obvious answer is because they knew from the start that all of Crystal's nearest and dearest were malignant liars out to clear a couple of cool million before they were done.Useful sock puppets in the battle to enflame public opinion ,but even Nifong surely never had any intention of calling them under oath and opening them to what would have been a deadly series of cross-examinations.
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Apr 5 2011, 12:58 PM
Please remember that,according to Crystal and her "driver "Brian it was Daddy Travis who drove her over to Brian's the night of the "rape".They are recorded as being on the phone with him(or someone at the Mangum house) for nearly tem minutes before enterering 611,though they were most of an hout late. The inference that Travis was privy to his daughter's business dealings is irresistable.He regularly lied for her on national tv. but was never,so far as we know,even interviewed by Nifong or the Durham cops.They all knew the familly was running its own scam.
Same for Mother Mary who like Crystal suffers from severe mental debilities.She and Cousin Jackie concocted the story of the 1,000,000 dollar Duke bribe and Cash Michael's ,Rev. Barber's godson, published false statements that he had more than one independent witness who was prepared to back their story.
When the depositions are taken we will want intensive questioning of law enforcement witnesses from Nifong on down as to how they reacted to these nationally broadcast stories and why no effort was made to investigate these allegations.
Of course the obvious answer is because they knew from the start that all of Crystal's nearest and dearest were malignant liars out to clear a couple of cool million before they were done.Useful sock puppets in the battle to enflame public opinion ,but even Nifong surely never had any intention of calling them under oath and opening them to what would have been a deadly series of cross-examinations.
Great post. It hardly merits the question "where did Crystal go wrong". It seems everyone within her sphere of influence were part of the scam.
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Apr 5 2011, 12:55 PM
If you couple the bi-polar disorder together with the religion of victimology, Crystal is a a perfect profile of the multiple kinds of people who game the system. We spend a lot of time looking at Crystal and Durham, but there are thousands of Crystals and hundreds of communities like Durham looking the other way.
But where's all the sympathy in the State-Run Media for those who get up at dawn, work, pay taxes and pay their bills?

All of us here know that there's no such thing as "luck." In every case, people who are "lucky" are hard workers and productive citizens.
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Apr 5 2011, 12:55 PM
If you couple the bi-polar disorder together with the religion of victimology, Crystal is a a perfect profile of the multiple kinds of people who game the system. We spend a lot of time looking at Crystal and Durham, but there are thousands of Crystals and hundreds of communities like Durham looking the other way.
Accountability has been missing from her life (and many like her).

I don't dismiss her bi-polar history. My youngest son has a good friend whose Mom is bi-polar. She has had several acute episodes of mania in the 10 years we have known them. It took me a while to figure out what was going on when I witnessed it for the first time. I flat out asked her husband. (I think I am the only one that did. He was not offended & answered me honestly). She ended up having to be hospitalized during that episode.

I explained to my son (then 14) she was ill. Although her behavior makes good gossip for the neighbors, it is no different from someone with any other chronic disease. Yes, her behavior was outrageous, but he knew what a good person she is with a heart of gold. ( I was proud of my son and his group of friends. They rallied around their friend. No one judged him and God help anyone who made a remark in front of them.)
The difference between her and Crystal is accountability and a support system. Her husband had been through this before. He knew nothing would help her until she reached a certain critical point. He learned a long time ago, he cannot protect her from herself, but he can be there to catch her. He loves her and makes no excuses for her. It is what it is.

Is Crystal's illness her fault? No. Is it her fault she did not have the same type of support our friend had? No. But she has had many opportunities. She has had access to mental health care. She has been institutionalized. It may not have been the best facility, but it was better than nothing. Those were the times the choice was hers to make. Treatment might not be the easy road, but she could have stuck with it.

It might not speak well of me, but I have trouble feeling any empathy towards her.
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Apr 5 2011, 01:30 PM
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If you couple the bi-polar disorder together with the religion of victimology, Crystal is a a perfect profile of the multiple kinds of people who game the system. We spend a lot of time looking at Crystal and Durham, but there are thousands of Crystals and hundreds of communities like Durham looking the other way.
But where's all the sympathy in the State-Run Media for those who get up at dawn, work, pay taxes and pay their bills?

All of us here know that there's no such thing as "luck." In every case, people who are "lucky" are hard workers and productive citizens.
You may have misunderstood, abb.

I was not implying that society had failed these people, only that we have given these people a free pass to live like parasites on the rest of us. I have zero sympathy for Crystal except to the extent that she truly has a mental disorder. I have zero sympathy for her parents, and extended family who thought they could cash in on a quick buck from Duke and/or the families of the lacrosse players. I do contend that progressives (and Bill Anderson wrote a great piece which you published on this) have created and nurtured these people in exchange for the power to control the rest of us.
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Good post, Agatha. You have every right to be proud of your son for his understanding and compassion. I think my comment to abb's post better explains my position. It's one thing to have a mental disorder, it is quite another to be a habitual liar, a drug addict, criminal, etc., and having an entire community look the other way because doing so for someone of your skin hue puts them in the good graces of the community power brokers. This happens many places, not just in Durham.
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If you couple the bi-polar disorder together with the religion of victimology, Crystal is a a perfect profile of the multiple kinds of people who game the system. We spend a lot of time looking at Crystal and Durham, but there are thousands of Crystals and hundreds of communities like Durham looking the other way.
But where's all the sympathy in the State-Run Media for those who get up at dawn, work, pay taxes and pay their bills?

All of us here know that there's no such thing as "luck." In every case, people who are "lucky" are hard workers and productive citizens.
You may have misunderstood, abb.

I was not implying that society had failed these people, only that we have given these people a free pass to live like parasites on the rest of us. I have zero sympathy for Crystal except to the extent that she truly has a mental disorder. I have zero sympathy for her parents, and extended family who thought they could cash in on a quick buck from Duke and/or the families of the lacrosse players. I do contend that progressives (and Bill Anderson wrote a great piece which you published on this) have created and nurtured these people in exchange for the power to control the rest of us.
Well put.
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". McCullough, the neighbor, said Mangum and her three children had been living with her grandmother"

This would be Grandmother Gertrude Mangum,mother to Travis.(I do not recollect hearing Mother Mary's lineage mentioned once during the course of the entire case.)
Gertrude first surfaced the night that Cousin Jackie and Crystal once again hit national television with the Baby Hoaxling Fraud,the greatest of their hoaxs within the hoax.It was nine months to the hour since the Lacrosse "rape"
and Jackie announced that Crystal had given birth to a white male baby and demanded the entire Lacrosse team should fork over sperm samples.Such an order was issued .
But it seems improbable that it was ever implemented . Within two days ( while Crystal did prove pregnant)
it developed that she wasn't due for another month.Moreover the DNA tests proved conclusively that Baby Hoaxing(as her infant became popularly named) is the child of her then live-in,once and future con,Matt Muchison.
Mother Mary and Daddy Travis both regained their former notariety by going on the show with Travis and vouching for the existence of their new Dukie grandchild.A separate interview followed with Grandmother Gertrude who also vouched for the story.
With a significant exception.Within approximately two days Gertrude came back on tv to inform that she hadn't either seen or heard from Crystal or Jackie in five years till they called her up to announce the birth of her grandson.
Since her son and daughter-in-law also vouched for this she had mistakenly accepted it as true. So far Gertrude apppears to be the one honest Mangum who has yet surfaced in the entire ever-continuing saga.
And there is still more.It was the murder of another of Gertrude's sons that first brought Mike Nifong on to the scene.Mike successfully prosecuted the killer(who also,somewhat unconvincingly, claims that Nifong framed him!) and gained Gertrude's perpetual gratitude.
Now we find Crystal and kids moved in with her after being acquitted in the previous stabbing case. Are the children still with her.As Crystal never let her see them in the old days when she thought she could turn millions,
the eighty something Gertrude must be glad to have them now whatever runaround Crystal is giving her.
Now let's pray that Gertrude is wise enough to keep all her cutlery under lock and key.No kidding.
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Enough of this. I'm ready for a steady stream, a daily dose of DISCOVERY.

OK, how does Discovery work? Will we not hear anything until the lawyers reveal in court what they have been able to locate?
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The only consistent with those kids is that Crystal has been absent.

The Father had them all the time. The Aunt (Pettiford, IIRC) had them for some time. Now, reportedly, the Grandmother, who once said that Crystal didn't have anything do with her, has the kids.

Crystal's head has been into drugs since she was 14, maybe earlier.

To me, it's telling that Strangers pony up money for Crystal's Bail, her Hair, her Outfits, and so on and so forth. Crystal is a hell of person to choose as your Poster child. I would venture a guess that Victoria and Wagstaff have grandkids and relatives going down the wrong road (and running the streets), yet they are out chauffeuring a prostitute/drug addict around and keeping her free to spread her lifestyle (putting it nicely) and litter the neighborhood with the byproduct of her lifestyle.

There is something perverse there.

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IIRC, when researching her criminal background, she had stuff going way back. She even had a fishing without a license ticket way back when, iirc.
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Apr 5 2011, 04:17 PM
IIRC, when researching her criminal background, she had stuff going way back. She even had a fishing without a license ticket way back when, iirc.
I have a copy of her arrest record somewhere with my Duke Lax paperwork. I will see if I can find it.
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FLASHBACK:


http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/08/28/651327/mangum-cant-see-her-children.html

Mangum can't see her children
News & Observer, The (Raleigh, NC) - Saturday, August 28, 2010
Author: Jesse James DeConto Staff Writer
By Jesse James DeConto

Staff Writer

DURHAM Crystal Gail Mangum came to court seeking permission to see her children more. Instead, a judge banned her from seeing them at all.

Mangum was arrested this week and charged with violating the terms of a pretrial release order associated with an incident in February. She was accused of setting her former boyfriend's clothes on fire in a bathtub while police officers and her three children were in the home.

In an extraordinarily long bond hearing that suffered frequent interruptions over the course of two days, Superior Court Judge Milton Fitch let Mangum go free on $100,000 bail, previously paid pro bono by a local bail bonds company. He revoked visitation rights granted by another judge in July, however, that allowed her to see her children from 4 to 8 p.m. Monday through Friday.

Mangum 's attorney Mani Dexter argued that her client is the children 's primary caregiver and couldn't help but violate the order.

Fitch said Mangum should have petitioned the court to change the previous order instead of just deciding to violate it.

"You don't use self-help because you've been the custodian," Fitch said. "She was not the custodian when she was released from jail."

The children are now back in the custody of Matthew Murcherson, the father of Mangum 's 3-year-old daughter. When Mangum went to jail in February, she signed a consent order granting Murcherson temporary custody.

(snip)

Mangum 's recent troubles arose when she applied for food stamps, Medicare, subsidized child care, cash and employment assistance through the Durham County Department of Social Services.


Throughout Thursday and Friday, Fitch often halted testimony and ordered witnesses to retrieve corroborating documents or summon colleagues who knew more about the questions attorneys were asking. In the end, testimony from DSS caseworkers and a pretrial services electronic monitoring supervisor convinced him that the children had been in Mangum 's custody outside the four-hour daily window.

One DSS intake specialist testified that Mangum told her the children were living with her, not Murcherson - a fact that qualified her for government subsidies. Tim Burris, Durham County's pretrial electronic-monitoring manager, testified that he saw Mangum 's two oldest children in her home about 8:45 p.m. when he went to repair her ankle transmitter.

"My friend has two grandchildren, and they look like my children ," Mangum explained after Fitch had already made a decision late Friday afternoon.

(snip)


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What a scam!
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I guess NO one at SS here reads or watch the local news. :confus:
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