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Crystal Mangum Arrested Overnight - 4/3/11; Who didn't see this coming?
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Baldo - those are very good questions that should be put to Clne's office. Who was the attorney from her office that represented the state at this preliminary hearing? Were not her past activities alluded to in the bail hearing? I am at a loss to understand how someone like CGM could have her bail lowered in a case where the victim is still in serious condition in the hospital. What was the judge thinking?
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Oh stop it people!!!!!!!
:bom: :bom: :bom:

Haven't we learned yet that North Carolina, and particularly Durham county is a Fiefdom and does not conform to the Rule of Law??!?!

Nothing that happens there should be a surprise to anyone!!
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Kethra, check your PM in box please.

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kbp

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Apr 4 2011, 01:13 PM
Quasimodo
Apr 4 2011, 12:44 PM
maggief
Apr 4 2011, 12:36 PM
Sorry to go off topic, but do you have the exact quote from the complaint?
IIRC it was sent by Larry Moneta, "get our stories straight", and then destroy the email afterward.
This gives me a little more to go on ...

http://www.scribd.com/doc/52032028/McFadyen-v-Duke-Memorandum-Decision-on-Summary-Judgment

In addition, Plaintiffs have alleged that Steel and Dzau participated in the creation of false reports, and that Steel, Brodhead, Dzau, and Burness engaged in obstruction of justice by attempting to conceal their participation in the alleged conspiracies to avoid liability in future lawsuits. In support of this allegation, Plaintiffs point to an e-mail among Duke officials regarding the need to meet to “get their stories straight,” with additional instructions to destroy the e-mail immediately. (Second Am. Compl. ¶1198).
You found it!


It was in the “Conspiracies” thread, listed as a part of Ekstrand’s original complaint.
http://s1.zetaboards.com/Liestoppers_meeting/single/?p=469392&t=4205312



Here is a post that brought your name up;
http://s1.zetaboards.com/Liestoppers_meeting/single/?p=470187&t=4211024
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Which one was it miss Levicy?
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The one with the broom, naturally!
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I don't like this at all!
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MikeZPU

Baldo
Apr 4 2011, 01:17 PM
I just don't understand it. Assaulting & stabbing a person with a knife seven times is a real serious offense, a felony. You just don't get bail lowered to $300,000. You let them sit in jail for a while while the facts of the case are reviewed. You remand them. Then you later can consider a bail motion. My goodness she has proven she is a risk to the community.

What a joke of a Justice system. We saw it in the NC Probation scandal. We saw it in Eve's murder how the catch & release policy of Durham's Judges has let dangerous people go back on the streets to commit more violent crimes.

Can you imagine if a man had been arrested for stabbing his girlfriend 7 times. Do you think he would be granted bail so quickly with a warning to stay away. What do Child Protective Services do? Let her just go on being a "good" mom?

So who will post her bail? Last time she couldn't make it.
:SarC: Baldo: you're forgetting that the Judge came down pretty hard on Mangum
about not communicating via facebook with the person she stabbed 7 times.

Facebook? The guy's probably barely hanging onto life but he should be on
facebook by this evening.
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Kerri P.
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Apr 4 2011, 01:20 PM
Baldo
Apr 4 2011, 01:17 PM
I just don't understand it. Assaulting & stabbing a person with a knife seven times is a real serious offense, a felony. You just don't get bail lowered to $300,000. You let them sit in jail for a while while the facts of the case are reviewed. You remand them. Then you later can consider a bail motion. My goodness she has proven she is a risk to the community.

What a joke of a Justice system. We saw it in the NC Probation scandal. We saw it in Eve's murder how the catch & release policy of Durham's Judges has let dangerous people go back on the streets to commit more violent crimes.

Can you imagine if a man had been arrested for stabbing his girlfriend 7 times. Do you think he would be granted bail so quickly with a warning to stay away. What do Child's protection Service do? Let her just go on being a "good" mom?

So who will post her bail? Last time she couldn't make it.
More bad news: I heard a news report last week that the state legislature is considering revising the law requiring DA's to share their files with defendants' attorneys. The plan is to make it more flexible, not more stringent. Some of the locals in the Raleigh/Durham area may know more about this.
I posted about this subject last week. The state legislature is looking at a bill that would make it harder for defense lawyers to get a hold of some evidence that favors their clients. The D.A.'s want to restrict the open discovery laws big time.
Edited by Kerri P., Apr 4 2011, 01:33 PM.
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kbp

Baldo
Apr 4 2011, 01:17 PM
I just don't understand it. Assaulting & stabbing a person with a knife seven times is a real serious offense, a felony. You just don't get bail lowered to $300,000. You let them sit in jail for a while while the facts of the case are reviewed. You remand them. Then you later can consider a bail motion. My goodness she has proven she is a risk to the community.

What a joke of a Justice system. We saw it in the NC Probation scandal. We saw it in Eve's murder how the catch & release policy of Durham's Judges has let dangerous people go back on the streets to commit more violent crimes.

Can you imagine if a man had been arrested for stabbing his girlfriend 7 times. Do you think he would be granted bail so quickly with a warning to stay away. What do Child Protective Services do? Let her just go on being a "good" mom?

So who will post her bail? Last time she couldn't make it.
My take on the bond reduction and how it must be secured is that a reduction looks like leniency at first glance, a gimmick that pleases some. The amount bail is and the security required eliminates any ‘questionable’ bonding agents and most likely means she’s locked up until trial.
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Crystal doesn;t haveboy friends. SHe has male bank accounts and baby sitters. She hangs with guys who want to be famous and they think crystal can help that along. They are people who are once again abusing crystal mangum for selfish reasons. This RD guy supposedly was thrilled to be associated with crystal. The last boyfriend also. Little did they know that the only reason crystal wanted them was their money, their baby sitting abilities and prof that she was a good mother to the social service people in Durham. Crystal is dependent on people so she can go out an whore around, drink. do drugs, have sex and party while her kids checks are put in the mail.

When that fails, she sets the place on fire, or threatens to kill or stabs someone 7 times. Crystal needs money and her kids provide it. But crystal does not want the responsibility for those kids. so she gets boyfriends that want to be mentioned in a movie or a book.

Crystal has no friends. The wagstaffs and hairs and vincents of her realm are taking advantage of crystal as much as crustal takes advantage of her male bank accounts, babysitters and kids social service checks.

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http://www.sfexaminer.com/entertainment/health/2011/03/monday-north-carolina-general-assembly

Only in Wonderland would it be reported in the SF Examiner!

OPEN DISCOVERY: Men wrongly convicted of murder because their lawyers didn't receive investigative details attended a news conference urging lawmakers to oppose a bill they worry will ease pressure on prosecutors to collect evidence. Darryl Hunt and Greg Taylor spent many years in prison before they were exonerated and pardoned. They joined other critics of a bill that would alter the state's 2004 open discovery law. The measure would continue to hold prosecutors responsible for giving defense attorneys what investigators have given them, but not what police might have withheld. The North Carolina Conference of District Attorneys sought the change because current law makes prosecutors responsible for things that they don't know exist.

Read more at the San Francisco Examiner: http://www.sfexaminer.com/entertainment/health/2011/03/monday-north-carolina-general-assembly#ixzz1Ia4P6g9W
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chatham
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If crystal wants bail, have jackie wagstaff get it up.
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"current law makes prosecutors responsible for things that they don't know exist."

If I don't know it exists, it doesn't exist!
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kbp

chatham
Apr 4 2011, 01:35 PM
Crystal doesn;t haveboy friends. SHe has male bank accounts and baby sitters. She hangs with guys who want to be famous and they think crystal can help that along. They are people who are once again abusing crystal mangum for selfish reasons. This RD guy supposedly was thrilled to be associated with crystal. The last boyfriend also. Little did they know that the only reason crystal wanted them was their money, their baby sitting abilities and prof that she was a good mother to the social service people in Durham. Crystal is dependent on people so she can go out an whore around, drink. do drugs, have sex and party while her kids checks are put in the mail.

When that fails, she sets the place on fire, or threatens to kill or stabs someone 7 times. Crystal needs money and her kids provide it. But crystal does not want the responsibility for those kids. so she gets boyfriends that want to be mentioned in a movie or a book.

Crystal has no friends. The wagstaffs and hairs and vincents of her realm are taking advantage of crystal as much as crustal takes advantage of her male bank accounts, babysitters and kids social service checks.

Just close your eyes and imagine giving her a loving kiss!

Poor kids!!
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jmoo

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Apr 4 2011, 01:13 PM
Quasimodo
Apr 4 2011, 12:44 PM
maggief
Apr 4 2011, 12:36 PM
Sorry to go off topic, but do you have the exact quote from the complaint?
IIRC it was sent by Larry Moneta, "get our stories straight", and then destroy the email afterward.
This gives me a little more to go on ...

http://www.scribd.com/doc/52032028/McFadyen-v-Duke-Memorandum-Decision-on-Summary-Judgment

In addition, Plaintiffs have alleged that Steel and Dzau participated in the creation of false reports, and that Steel, Brodhead, Dzau, and Burness engaged in obstruction of justice by attempting to conceal their participation in the alleged conspiracies to avoid liability in future lawsuits. In support of this allegation, Plaintiffs point to an e-mail among Duke officials regarding the need to meet to “get their stories straight,” with additional instructions to destroy the e-mail immediately. (Second Am. Compl. ¶1198).
Paragraph 1198 from the sec amended complaint:

1198. After it the Attorney General publicly exonerated Plaintiffs and declared that no crime
had ever occurred, Steel, Brodhead, Dzau, Burness, Lange, Moneta, Graves, Dean,
Wasiolek, individually and collectively, obstructed public justice by making plans to
conceal their participation in the conspiracies alleged herein. By way of example,
after the conspiracies disbanded in January, 2007, Moneta sent an email to a list of
senior University administrators requesting that the recipients meet with him
immediately for the express purpose of the stated purpose of fabricating a uniform
explanation for their conduct, or, in Moneta’s words, “get[ing their] stories straight.”
Moneta also directed the recipients of his email to destroy the email immediately.
The purpose of that and other efforts by University officials with policymaking
authority with respect to the investigation of Mangum’s claims was to defeat or
diminish the award of damages in civil actions they assumed would be brought
against them and the University by Plaintiffs and/or their teammates.
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jmoo
Apr 4 2011, 01:41 PM
maggief
Apr 4 2011, 01:13 PM
Quasimodo
Apr 4 2011, 12:44 PM
maggief
Apr 4 2011, 12:36 PM
Sorry to go off topic, but do you have the exact quote from the complaint?
IIRC it was sent by Larry Moneta, "get our stories straight", and then destroy the email afterward.
This gives me a little more to go on ...

http://www.scribd.com/doc/52032028/McFadyen-v-Duke-Memorandum-Decision-on-Summary-Judgment

In addition, Plaintiffs have alleged that Steel and Dzau participated in the creation of false reports, and that Steel, Brodhead, Dzau, and Burness engaged in obstruction of justice by attempting to conceal their participation in the alleged conspiracies to avoid liability in future lawsuits. In support of this allegation, Plaintiffs point to an e-mail among Duke officials regarding the need to meet to “get their stories straight,” with additional instructions to destroy the e-mail immediately. (Second Am. Compl. ¶1198).
Paragraph 1198 from the sec amended complaint:

1198. After it the Attorney General publicly exonerated Plaintiffs and declared that no crime
had ever occurred, Steel, Brodhead, Dzau, Burness, Lange, Moneta, Graves, Dean,
Wasiolek, individually and collectively, obstructed public justice by making plans to
conceal their participation in the conspiracies alleged herein. By way of example,
after the conspiracies disbanded in January, 2007, Moneta sent an email to a list of
senior University administrators requesting that the recipients meet with him
immediately for the express purpose of the stated purpose of fabricating a uniform
explanation for their conduct, or, in Moneta’s words, “get[ing their] stories straight.”
Moneta also directed the recipients of his email to destroy the email immediately.
The purpose of that and other efforts by University officials with policymaking
authority with respect to the investigation of Mangum’s claims was to defeat or
diminish the award of damages in civil actions they assumed would be brought
against them and the University by Plaintiffs and/or their teammates.
Thank you.

Related?

http://www.goduke.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=4200&ATCLID=738794

Statement By Duke President Brodhead Regarding Status Of Students Seligmann And Finnerty 01/03/2007

http://liestoppers.blogspot.com/2007/01/duke-to-reinstate-seligmann-finnerty.html

Wednesday, January 03, 2007
Duke To Reinstate Seligmann, Finnerty


Citing the "unwarranted harm" that continued leave would impose on the falsely persecuted young men, Duke University has invited Reade Seligmann and Collin Finnerty to return to the University for the spring semester as students in good standing. The invitation follows last week's call from President Richard Brodhead for District Attorney Mike Nifong to recuse and explain himself.


In a letter to Reade Seligmann, Duke University Vice President for Student Affairs, Larry Moneta writes:

January 2, 2007

(snip)

Larry Moneta, Ed.D.
Vice President for Student Affairs




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