| Crystal Mangum Arrested Overnight - 4/3/11; Who didn't see this coming? | |
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| LTC8K6 | Apr 3 2011, 05:47 PM Post #151 |
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"We ain't got that kind of time." |
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| cks | Apr 3 2011, 05:50 PM Post #152 |
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Assuming that there is substance to the charges and that this goes to trial (two huge assumptions, given, after all that this is Durham that we are talking about), it would seem that her best defense would be an insanity (temporary) which then might lead to the contents of that file made public. |
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| Mason | Apr 3 2011, 06:01 PM Post #153 |
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. To me this lends credence to what we heard about Milton. He was scared of Crystal. The Police even said he was outside on a very cold night without shoes or socks and only a thin undershirt - hiding from Crystal. Milton came out of the bushes and knocked on the door when he saw the Police had arrived. Milton cooperated with everything he was asked to do. This guy is 46 and it may have been late into a night of partying - he may have not been fast enough to get away from Crystal. . Edited by Mason, Apr 3 2011, 06:02 PM.
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| genny6348 | Apr 3 2011, 06:03 PM Post #154 |
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We will never know. I kind of doubt it would have. Jail is not going to cure Crystal it will only serve to protect others from her. At this point that would be the best case scenario. |
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| LTC8K6 | Apr 3 2011, 06:09 PM Post #155 |
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We won't know what the actual charges are until the arraignment or until we see the paperwork. |
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| Mason | Apr 3 2011, 06:13 PM Post #156 |
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. . lmao. I'm not predicting the future, I just think Crystal will argue pretty strongly their game plan has worked up to now with Durham Justice. The Mental illness (insanity) defense would be a departure. The "Friends of Crystal Mangum" who help to rouse up resources for her, again and again, can't use the Racism and Duke Lacrosse defense if they go for Temp Insanity, or mental illness. I think they (her Organization) may prefer to use the Racism and Duke Power and Influence Defense and accept a couple misdemeanors. |
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| JSwift | Apr 3 2011, 06:28 PM Post #157 |
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A question for one of the lawyers: would self-defense require that Crystal testify? |
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| Mason | Apr 3 2011, 06:31 PM Post #158 |
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. Please don't let me get between a Lawyer answering, but No. She claimed Self-Defense last time, facing a felony, and didn't testify. I think you can count on Crystal not testifying. I think that's a given in my book. . |
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| JSwift | Apr 3 2011, 06:42 PM Post #159 |
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As I recall, the defense last time was largely that the first degree arson was overcharging. I do not remember her lawyer arguing self-defense. I thought that was a large part of the criticism Crystal's supporters directed at Mani Dexter. Crystal's face was used as a "punching bag" and her lawyer did not raise that in court.
Edited by JSwift, Apr 3 2011, 06:47 PM.
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| Kerri P. | Apr 3 2011, 06:45 PM Post #160 |
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http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/9377710/ Duke lacrosse accuser charged in stabbing Posted: 2:01 p.m. today Updated: 29 minutes ago snip.....
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| kbp | Apr 3 2011, 06:54 PM Post #161 |
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First thing I noticed. Didn't bother to read it. |
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| Mason | Apr 3 2011, 06:55 PM Post #162 |
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. No, it was an issue in the Trial. The Jury was shown a Video of a Police Interview where Crystal claimed her boyfriend repeatedly punched her in the face in front of her children who began to scream and cry. It was certainly part of the sentencing and reasoning by the Judge who gave her custody of kids immediately at sentencing. In practical terms, Defense lawyers claim (or can claim) multiple defenses during a trial. One juror might buy into one and another into another defense theory. . . Edited by Mason, Apr 3 2011, 06:57 PM.
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| LTC8K6 | Apr 3 2011, 06:56 PM Post #163 |
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Hope he is not in danger of dying... |
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| Walt-in-Durham | Apr 3 2011, 06:57 PM Post #164 |
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To a certain extent it may be possible for someone to plead self-defense and not testify, but there would need to be some significant circumstantial and forensic evidence to support that notion. For example, I defended a murder case where our defense was self-defense. Keep in mind, Ohio is a retreat state. I had several patrons at the bar where the initial attack took place who testified that my client fled from the bar and went to his van. Fewer, but still some patrons testified that the "victim" chased my client to his van and was pounding on the window when my client shot him twice in the chest. In those days, Ohio only required retreat, not a personal fear of imminent harm. Ohio was an "objective" test state. That is would a "reasonable person" in the same situation reasonably fear for his life. Thus we had to prove two things in under the Ohio law: (1) retreat and (2) reasonable fear for one's own life. The retreat was easy although the state said we could and should have continued to retreat by driving away. Fortunately, one of the police officers was willing to say that backing away by getting in his van seemed like more than enough retreat. (The officer was well known around the Cleveland PD as a quick draw.) I argued that an angry man holding a gun pounding on a window was enough to put someone in reasonable fear. The investigating detective was honest enough to agree with that. Thus, I was able to get the case to the jury. They hung on the homicide count and convicted on a misdemeanor - discharging a firearm within the municipal limits of Cleveland, a city code violation. Had the jury hung on every count it would have been an easy decision to retry. But, with conviction on the misdemeanor when the judge entered sentence, the state was faced with state double jeopardy clause problem. They decided not to re-try. My client never testified. I made the conscious decision not to put him on the stand because he had a list of priors, though not for violent felonies. He was a career drug dealer sometime car thief. Walt-in-Durham |
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| Baldo | Apr 3 2011, 07:56 PM Post #165 |
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I try to take one day off and she does what? Of course she is innocent until proven guilty. We understand all too well the right that was being denied to the 2006 Duke Lacrosse Team by Nifong, Addison, Duke 88, and the MSM. What can you say but this woman is nothing but trouble. From her teenage days, in the Navy, and back at home in Durham just how many run-ins with the law has she had? Remember this always, at the bottom of the Duke Lacrosse Frame was Crystal. It was her false accusations that set this whole affair off and it has cost millions, ruin lives, and in general ripped apart and embarrassed a community. All I can say is on to the Depositions! Let's put the Durham & Duke Miscreants under oath and try to find out why this woman was believed, supported, and protected. |
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