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Topic Started: Mar 28 2011, 12:42 PM (400 Views)
Walt-in-Durham

Joe Neff and Mandy Lock have uncovered yet another case of the SBI and prosecutors withholding test results to pressure a defendant into a plea. Add Chris Foye to the list of names. Again, the system of frame and pressure a defendant is in full force. As you can see from reading the article Nifong was not a rogue, but following a well defined path for NC District Attorneys. If in doubt, pick a suspect, any suspect and indict. The only thing that tripped him up was when the SBI couldn't come up with some evidence. It must have been a huge shock to Nifong and Cline when the SBI lab came back with no match on any suspect. No wonder they went looking for an even shadier lab.

Walt-in-Durham
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Joan Foster

Walt-in-Durham
Mar 28 2011, 12:42 PM
Joe Neff and Mandy Lock have uncovered yet another case of the SBI and prosecutors withholding test results to pressure a defendant into a plea. Add Chris Foye to the list of names. Again, the system of frame and pressure a defendant is in full force. As you can see from reading the article Nifong was not a rogue, but following a well defined path for NC District Attorneys. If in doubt, pick a suspect, any suspect and indict. The only thing that tripped him up was when the SBI couldn't come up with some evidence. It must have been a huge shock to Nifong and Cline when the SBI lab came back with no match on any suspect. No wonder they went looking for an even shadier lab.

Walt-in-Durham
You are absolutely right, Walt. This is why we observed one local judge barely holding back tears as he described Nifong as "A-OK...and another one hovering over him like a hen with a wounded chick. THEY also understood the system.

How shocking when the "Duke Fixer', the McFayden email, the altered SANE report, the arrest of Mr. Elmostafa, Wilson's and Gottlieb's thuggery, and every ugly trick in their book... could not frighten the Innocent in this case into a plea deal.

Nifong was just running all the usual plays...
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Since last summer, we've been battling a corrupt DA in Jackson Parish (County), LA in my home town Jonesboro, and it's thieving mayor. The mayor's political machine helped elect the DA (I've reported this) and won't act on the crimes.

But since then, we've made the mayor so radioactive, the DA is beginning to realize he will have to prosecute.

Hell of a ride!!! I would PAY to do it!!
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Joan Foster

abb
Mar 28 2011, 02:44 PM
Since last summer, we've been battling a corrupt DA in Jackson Parish (County), LA in my home town Jonesboro, and it's thieving mayor. The mayor's political machine helped elect the DA (I've reported this) and won't act on the crimes.

But since then, we've made the mayor so radioactive, the DA is beginning to realize he will have to prosecute.

Hell of a ride!!! I would PAY to do it!!
:D Egr93: :D Egr93:
:toast: :toast: :toast:

Abb, you are a long-time hero of mine.

Keep at 'em...I know you will.

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MikeZPU

Over the past few years, I have undergone a substantial transformation.

Generally speaking, I now have significantly more respect for lawyers
than I have for prosecutors, judges, and many in law enforcement.

I personally have seen police officers lie on the witness stand, for
something as minor as a traffic ticket even, all for the glory of winning
a conviction at all costs.

I should be careful with what I say, because lawyers are also part of the
system, and sometimes they are too quick to sell their client out to a
plea deal to curry favor with a prosecutor and/or judge.

You just have to hope and pray that you are never targeted by some prosecutor.
They hold all the cards and generally fight dirty.
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MikeZPU

I wish I had the time, money, and resources to run an education
campaign across all of America, to educate potential jurors about
how our justice system really works behind the scenes.

I would like to get jurors to NOT be so trustful of prosecutors and
even police officers. I would also like jurors to be aware that the
judge is often partial to the prosecutor, especially in smaller towns.

I would like jurors to understand that most prosecutors in this
country believe it is their job to obtain a conviction, irrespective
of truth and justice. I would like jurors to understand that most
prosecutors have a win-at-all-costs mentality and that they hold
all the cards, and also have nearly infinite resources at their disposal.

I think it's important for jurors to have a healthy mistrust of prosecutors,
the same way that they have a healthy mistrust of defense lawyers,
and to at least be aware that prosecutors often twist the truth and
even some times withhold exculpatory evidence.

I would love all of America to know how the so-called "justice system"
operated in the Duke Lacrosse case.
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MikeZPU

MikeZPU
Mar 28 2011, 06:31 PM
I wish I had the time, money, and resources to run an education
campaign across all of America, to educate potential jurors about
how our justice system really works behind the scenes.

I would like to get jurors to NOT be so trustful of prosecutors and
even police officers. I would also like jurors to be aware that the
judge is often partial to the prosecutor, especially in smaller towns.

I would like jurors to understand that most prosecutors in this
country believe it is their job to obtain a conviction, irrespective
of truth and justice. I would like jurors to understand that most
prosecutors have a win-at-all-costs mentality and that they hold
all the cards, and also have nearly infinite resources at their disposal.

I think it's important for jurors to have a healthy mistrust of prosecutors,
the same way that they have a healthy mistrust of defense lawyers,
and to at least be aware that prosecutors often twist the truth and
even some times withhold exculpatory evidence.

I would love all of America to know how the so-called "justice system"
operated in the Duke Lacrosse case.
And as part of this campaign, there has to be a
strong call for separation of "search and state"
(just trying to come up with a clever slogan) --
safeguards have to be put in place so that forensics
laboratories (paid for by taxpayers' dollars!) report the
WHOLE truth and nothing but the truth. There has
to be a parallel campaign to educate forensic scientists
that their job is to seek the truth, not to help a prosecutor
obtain a conviction. Again, safeguards have to be put in
place to ensure this.
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Quasimodo

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kenneth-f-eichner/prosecutors-get-money-for_b_841644.html


Prosecutors Get Money for Criminal Convictions Near Denver


Kenneth F. Eichner
03/28/1

(snip)

Here are the nuts and bolts of the policy: if prosecutors participate in at least five trials during the year and garner a 70 percent felony conviction rate, they earn an average $1,100 bounty--Chambers euphemistically refers to the incentive as a "bonus." Sorry, plea bargains do not count

(snip)

As a prosecutor for six years and a criminal lawyer for almost thirty, both on the East Coast and in Colorado, I can tell you this policy is virtually unheard of nationally. Based on personal experience, there is enormous pressure to win cases. If you do not win, you will not advance in the office, and even worse, you will have a reputation as a wimp. Adding a monetary incentive might very well be the tipping point that leads to potential misconduct. Prosecutors have great power in our free society; overreaching and grandstanding are prevalent without bounty awards. Think about Mike Nifong, the prosecutor who indicted several Duke lacrosse players without just cause, giving press conferences calling the athletes rapists while hiding the exculpatory evidence that lead to the dismissal of all the charges against the innocent defendants. Imagine what Nifong would have done if the convictions would have lead to a juicy bonus.

Even if the Duke example is extreme, there does not seem to be much community support for Chambers' policy; local prosecutors are scratching their heads.

(snip)
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kbp

MikeZPU
Mar 28 2011, 06:31 PM
I wish I had the time, money, and resources to run an education
campaign across all of America, to educate potential jurors about
how our justice system really works behind the scenes.

I would like to get jurors to NOT be so trustful of prosecutors and
even police officers. I would also like jurors to be aware that the
judge is often partial to the prosecutor, especially in smaller towns.

I would like jurors to understand that most prosecutors in this
country believe it is their job to obtain a conviction, irrespective
of truth and justice. I would like jurors to understand that most
prosecutors have a win-at-all-costs mentality and that they hold
all the cards, and also have nearly infinite resources at their disposal.

I think it's important for jurors to have a healthy mistrust of prosecutors,
the same way that they have a healthy mistrust of defense lawyers,
and to at least be aware that prosecutors often twist the truth and
even some times withhold exculpatory evidence.

I would love all of America to know how the so-called "justice system"
operated in the Duke Lacrosse case.
"I wish I had the time, money, and resources..."


At least buy guns and ammo!
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MikeZPU

"I wish I had the time, money, and resources..."


Quote:
 
At least buy guns and ammo!
What was it that Charlton Heston said? Oh yeah:

The only way you'll get my gun is to pry it "from my cold, dead hands" :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0B_UZNtEk4
Edited by MikeZPU, Mar 28 2011, 11:19 PM.
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