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Sep 24 2011, 02:15 PM
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There was a time and in many parts of the world where one left the RC CHurch at one's peril......when the Church was universal, disagreement with the Church, running afoul of its laws, resulted in one's death. Granted, that is not the case at the present but it was not that long ago when it was.
My favorite episode in the History of Mankind is when Martin Luther defied The Holy Roman Church and Pope Leo X. What he did then has a lot of the elements of what we here at Liestoppers do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ninety-Five_Theses
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Sep 24 2011, 02:30 PM
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Sep 24 2011, 02:15 PM
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There was a time and in many parts of the world where one left the RC CHurch at one's peril......when the Church was universal, disagreement with the Church, running afoul of its laws, resulted in one's death. Granted, that is not the case at the present but it was not that long ago when it was.
CKS, I don't believe that it ever happened in this country, with the Catholic Church, correct me if I am wrong. Most of the Muslims live in the 7th century and want to keep it that way, I don't think the Catholic Church thinks that way anymore. I believe that most of the first people to come to the "new world" came here for religious freedoms and to escape oppressive governments, like the King. I agree with that and intend to keep it that way in any way possible.
You are correct - never here in the USA. I was looking at this issue historically.
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There was a time and in many parts of the world where one left the RC CHurch at one's peril......when the Church was universal, disagreement with the Church, running afoul of its laws, resulted in one's death. Granted, that is not the case at the present but it was not that long ago when it was.
CKS, I don't believe that it ever happened in this country, with the Catholic Church, correct me if I am wrong. Most of the Muslims live in the 7th century and want to keep it that way, I don't think the Catholic Church thinks that way anymore. I believe that most of the first people to come to the "new world" came here for religious freedoms and to escape oppressive governments, like the King. I agree with that and intend to keep it that way in any way possible.
You are correct - never here in the USA. I was looking at this issue historically.
I believe most western civilizations, learned that you can't run a country, when it is ruled by religious law, like most of the Middle East is today. The radical Muslims still believe that you can and I believe that Obama feels the same way, why else support the Arab Spring? The countries that seem to be evolving out of all the uprisings seem to want to go to Sharia Law, not democracy, as we know it. The US Constitution and Sharial Law are in a direct conflict, they cannot work together.
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Sep 24 2011, 12:33 PM
I don't think Owebama is stupid, I think he knows exactly what he is doing.

I do think Obama is stupid. He is doing what his handlers tell him to do; he is a useful idiot. I doubt he has ever had an original thought.

He often demonstrates a disturbing lack of knowledge about World history and American history and culture. His adventures in spontaneous response demonstrate a very limited vocabulary and lack of intellect. The best that can be said for him is that he is a Chicago thug with a very expensive makeover.

If he's a shining example of a Harvard education, the brand has lost all credibility.
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Sep 24 2011, 04:29 PM
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Sep 24 2011, 12:33 PM
I don't think Owebama is stupid, I think he knows exactly what he is doing.

I do think Obama is stupid. He is doing what his handlers tell him to do; he is a useful idiot. I doubt he has ever had an original thought.

He often demonstrates a disturbing lack of knowledge about World history and American history and culture. His adventures in spontaneous response demonstrate a very limited vocabulary and lack of intellect. The best that can be said for him is that he is a Chicago thug with a very expensive makeover.

If he's a shining example of a Harvard education, the brand has lost all credibility.
You nailed it Genny.

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Economists: President Obama's jobs plan would likely prevent new recession

By MACKENZIE WEINGER | 9/28/11 8:00 AM EDT

President Barack Obama’s jobs plan could help prevent a 2012 recession, economists said in a new survey.

Obama’s $447 billion American Jobs Act would create thousands of jobs and would expand the economy, economists surveyed by Bloomberg News found, in a report released Wednesday. The plan, they said, would push down the jobless rate in 2012, possibly boosting Obama’s reelection bid with the potential job growth.

The unemployment rate has held near 9 percent or more since April 2009.

The median estimate in the survey of 34 economists shows that Obama’s legislation would likely increase GDP by 0.6 percent and add or keep 275,000 jobs next year. In 2013, his plan would add 13,000 jobs, bringing the total over two years to 288,000 jobs created.

The economists also told Bloomberg that Obama’s plan would lower the unemployment rate by 0.2 percentage points.

One economist said the proposal “prevents a contraction of the economy in the first quarter” of 2012, and will lead “to more retention of workers than net new hires.” But another disagreed, and said the plan is “not really going to have anything more than a marginal impact. It’s just maintaining the status quo.”

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...add or keep 275,000 jobs next year. In 2013, his plan would add 13,000 jobs, bringing the total over two years to 288,000 jobs created.


Not sure how they came up with the debt spending creating so many jobs so quickly, but even if we ignore that issue, we lack their estimate of how many of the 275,000 jobs created in 2011 would be there still in 2012 ...when we have to start paying interest on the money borrowed to create them ....how the tax revenue spent to cover the excessive cost-per-job is not recovered ...how repayment of that debt adds to the deficit in the future.

The IMMEDIATE result these economists predict, if they are even correct, ignores the long-term consequences. The only possible positive I see is if - a big "IF" - the spending for actual infrastructure is on something we need and it helps to eliminate future spending on such.
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Sep 28 2011, 09:04 AM
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Economists: President Obama's jobs plan would likely prevent new recession

By MACKENZIE WEINGER | 9/28/11 8:00 AM EDT

President Barack Obama’s jobs plan could help prevent a 2012 recession, economists said in a new survey.

Obama’s $447 billion American Jobs Act would create thousands of jobs and would expand the economy, economists surveyed by Bloomberg News found, in a report released Wednesday. The plan, they said, would push down the jobless rate in 2012, possibly boosting Obama’s reelection bid with the potential job growth.

The unemployment rate has held near 9 percent or more since April 2009.

The median estimate in the survey of 34 economists shows that Obama’s legislation would likely increase GDP by 0.6 percent and add or keep 275,000 jobs next year. In 2013, his plan would add 13,000 jobs, bringing the total over two years to 288,000 jobs created.

The economists also told Bloomberg that Obama’s plan would lower the unemployment rate by 0.2 percentage points.

One economist said the proposal “prevents a contraction of the economy in the first quarter” of 2012, and will lead “to more retention of workers than net new hires.” But another disagreed, and said the plan is “not really going to have anything more than a marginal impact. It’s just maintaining the status quo.”

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...add or keep 275,000 jobs next year. In 2013, his plan would add 13,000 jobs, bringing the total over two years to 288,000 jobs created.


Not sure how they came up with the debt spending creating so many jobs so quickly, but even if we ignore that issue, we lack their estimate of how many of the 275,000 jobs created in 2011 would be there still in 2012 ...when we have to start paying interest on the money borrowed to create them ....how the tax revenue spent to cover the excessive cost-per-job is not recovered ...how repayment of that debt adds to the deficit in the future.

The IMMEDIATE result these economists predict, if they are even correct, ignores the long-term consequences. The only possible positive I see is if - a big "IF" - the spending for actual infrastructure is on something we need and it helps to eliminate future spending on such.
If my math skills are still correct, doesn't $447 billion for 288,000 jobs come out to $1.552 million per job? Why not just take applications from 500,000 unemployed people to be paid $50,000/year to clean up the highways, city parks, etc. They would then have funds to spend which would help increase demand, which is (to me) what is needed to create jobs.
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Now Obama is getting slammed in Germany!

09/28/2011

The World from Berlin
Obama's Euro-Crisis Lecture Is 'Pitiful and Sad'

(Spiegel Online) — US President Obama has given the Europeans a harsh lecture on the dangers of their ongoing debt crisis. Offended by the unsolicited advice, Europeans have suggested the US get its own house in order first. Obama’s remarks were “arrogant” and “absurd,” German commentators say on Wednesday.

Europeans are well aware of the seriousness of their ongoing debt crisis. But they don’t, it seems, like to receive lectures from other countries — especially the United States, which is struggling to deal with its own mountain of debt.

On Tuesday, German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble curtly rejected recent American criticism of Europe’s approach to solving its debt crisis. “I don’t think Europe’s problems are America’s only problems,” said Schäuble, who has become increasingly sharp-tongued as the euro crisis deepens. “It’s always easier to give other people advice.”

Schäuble was referring to strongly worded comments made by US President Barack Obama and US Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner in recent days. At an event in California on Monday, Obama warned Europeans that their inaction was “scaring the world.” The Europeans, he said, “have not fully healed from the crisis back in 2007 and never fully dealt with all the challenges that their banking system faced. It’s now being compounded by what’s happening in Greece.” He continued: “They’re going through a financial crisis that is scaring the world, and they’re trying to take responsible actions, but those actions haven’t been quite as quick as they need to be.”

On Wednesday, German media commentators slam Obama’s criticism of Europe.

The mass-circulation Bild writes:

“Obama’s lecture on the euro crisis . . . is overbearing, arrogant and absurd. . . . In a nutshell, he is claiming that Europe is to blame for the current financial crisis, which is ‘scaring the world.’ Excuse me?”

“The American president seems to have forgotten a few details. The most important trigger of the financial and economic crisis was US banks and their insane real-estate dealings. The US is still piling up debt. . . The American congress is crippled by a battle between the right and the left. The banks are gambling just as recklessly as they did before the crisis. The president’s scolding is a pathetic attempt to distract attention from his own failures. How embarrassing.”
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http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,788807,00.html
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Good column on cost-per-job under Obama / Geithner, who believe spending more is important and cost does not matter.
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Fox News Poll: Majority Says as a CEO, Obama Would Have Been Fired

If Barack Obama were president of a major U.S. company, he’d be fired by now. That’s what American voters think -- by a 52-38 percent margin.

Fifty-six percent of independents think a corporation’s board of directors would have already handed Obama his pink slip. Nearly a quarter of Democrats also believe Obama would be out (23 percent).

In Obama’s real job as president, a Fox News poll released Thursday found that while 43 percent of voters approve of his performance, just over half -- 51 percent -- disapprove....snipped

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/29/fox-news-poll-majority-says-as-ceo-obama-would-have-been-fired/

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...43 percent of voters approve of his performance



The follow up question should be to ask WTH has he done they approve of.
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Sorry for the HUGE picture, but this is a keeper.

From link Longstop posted in another thread.
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I must admit I find it difficult to comprehend 40% of the people can't see the disastrous results from Obama's Administration. However not all of those will vote, but I expect political shenanigans and poll intimidation in the 2012 election.

However this time Obama won't be protected. He has a record of incompetence to run against. The "...smartest president ever" talking point has been blown out of the water.
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I think you could take any one or two of those things on that chart and make a killer ad. If I was running the GOP I would run a whole bunch of 30 second spots with that info. Do one with inflation and the national debt. Food stamp usage and number of jobs. Health insurance and price of gas. And any other pairings you like. I do like the idea of pairings better than one signal issue in today's ADHD world.
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Worth a read and also the comments section.

Obama's Contempt Bordering on Treachery

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/10/obamas_contempt_bordering_on_treachery.html

The United States, faced with its worst crisis in sixty-five years, has at the helm a radical political class, as personified by Barack Obama, who have chosen a path trod by so many despots in mankind's recent history. Barack Obama and his fellow-travelers are exploiting the fear and desperation of a growing number of citizens amid gaping fissures in American society in order to retain and expand their control over the populace.

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and a PS

http://globalnoncompliance.webnode.com/news/occupywallstreet-the-marines-are-coming-to-protect-the-protestors/
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