Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
Add Reply
CRYSTAL MANGUM TRIAL; December 2010
Topic Started: Nov 29 2010, 12:59 PM (56,581 Views)
kbp

2close2durham
Dec 19 2010, 09:54 PM
The deeper problem here is the divergence in cultural norms. We have on one hand a culture that stands by the meta-narrative that it's problems are caused by others.

Jackie Wagstaff overheard during recess: 'They are not understanding the nature of the black household.'

This was the cultural defense of a person who ON FILM:
1) admitted to setting a fire which could have killed and certainly endangered her children
2) admitted to slashing tires and smashing windows of a car
3) went from a person with her head on a table to an outlandish performance which cost the taxpayers the fee for an emergency service in a feeble attempt to obtain drugs.

The judge called her a "Good Mother" while her children were cared for by others, lived in a slovenly fashion and dined almost exclusively on fast food bought by government provided resources. A mother who spends more time trying to fraudulently obtain drugs than caring for her children.

If this is the paradigm of the Black family (only 17% who grow up in a 2 adult household) then there is a larger problem.... we have the Congress-critter who wanted to siphon off 98 Billion dollars for the inner city.

To misquote Microsoft's Bill Gates: If you provide technology MONEY for a efficient process CULTURE you will make a more efficient process self-sufficient CULTURE. However, providing technology MONEY to a broken process CULTURE will only cause a more dysfunctional process CULTURE.

From the early days of the Great Society we have seen the effect of rewarding bad behaviors and its effect upon the Black culture. I interact daily with Black parents who spend time with their children and are a huge part of their lives. These children are successful in society. Throwing money at problems does not solve the core issues which are parental involvement, teaching self-worth and demanding responsibility for ones own actions. The lack of these virtues is quite self-evident in Mahrud and its socialist/progressive political elite. The effect of these policies had made it a Breeding ground for the Mangums, Atwaters and Lovettes of the world. These people are probably as dangerous to our society as any jihadist if not more so.

A rather bleak view I know, a rather broad brush perhaps.... but the question remains, how can another culture effect positive change in a specific culture? How can we support the Allen West's who will be the only one's to change the culture. Not trying to condemn - attempting to understand how to assist a transformative shift towards a functional society. While the greatest deleterious effects can be seen in the culture of Blacks, similar effects can be seen among all the poor of all ethnicities.

There is a growing divide among those that produce and create wealth and those who only manipulate and consume wealth. Balkanization is the term that probably describes the changes in our great country. United we stand divided we fall rings as true today as it ever did.



The financial cures that have progressed over the years creates a system that - as Joan described so well - DIVIDES society more. The system certainly does NOT teach self-reliance.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Q.A.
Member Avatar
Q.A.
When the Percentage of Voters-On-Welfare reaches a critical value, which IMO is less than 50%, a society has reached the Point-Of-No-Return on its Decline-And-Fall-Curve.

Are we there yet?

IMO - Mahrud is.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
kbp

Q.A.
Dec 20 2010, 11:43 AM
When the Percentage of Voters-On-Welfare reaches a critical value, which IMO is less than 50%, a society has reached the Point-Of-No-Return on its Decline-And-Fall-Curve.

Are we there yet?

IMO - Mahrud is.
Judging from the last Presidential Election....
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
MikeZPU

Truth Detector
Dec 20 2010, 09:06 AM
Matherly is now posting on his site that one of the police personnel set the fire and framed Crystal.

The sheer depth of lies and deception that these people will stoop to in order to prop up Crystal is staggering.
The guy is a pathological liar, just like Mangum, just like Nifong, just like Gottlieb, etc

and a total hypocrite too. I am call him the "Blathering Idiot"

Just before Mangum trial started, Matherly blogged about Mangum being presumed
innocent until proven guilty AND we should keep in mind that she is a child of God.

Somehow I seriously doubt he had the same open mind about Reade, Colin, and Dave.
Edited by MikeZPU, Dec 20 2010, 12:07 PM.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
~J~ is in Wonderland
Member Avatar
~J~ is in Wonderland
Hooligans, you gonna love this one

The talk in town is about Wagstaff. Seems people like what happened to her, more than the out come of the trial.
Folks are saying things like, Wagstaff got exactly what she needed- maybe this will stop her bulling- Maybe this will shut her up ect.

An AA guy ask me, if I knew what the new Holiday song was? I said..... Well no, I don't!

hee hee hee- Jack-ee,
Jack-ee played hell and went to jail.
hee hee hee- big mouth Jack-ee
Santa said, no he want go, to jail and see Jack-ee


Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
chatham
Member Avatar

~J~ is in Wonderland
Dec 20 2010, 07:47 PM
Hooligans, you gonna love this one

The talk in town is about Wagstaff. Seems people like what happened to her, more than the out come of the trial.
Folks are saying things like, Wagstaff got exactly what she needed- maybe this will stop her bulling- Maybe this will shut her up ect.

An AA guy ask me, if I knew what the new Holiday song was? I said..... Well no, I don't!

hee hee hee- Jack-ee,
Jack-ee played hell and went to jail.
hee hee hee- big mouth Jack-ee
Santa said, no he want go, to jail and see Jack-ee


Lets face it. Crystal supporters have runs in them. Jackie is not what she perceives herself as. She is just loud, like all the couple of folks in this clique. I believe we make more of her than Durham does.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Deleted User
Deleted User

The joy of it all is that instead of beef tenderloin, ole Jackie may be eating pork and beans this Christmas. Sorry folks, I know it's ugly but I rest my case. No good deed goes unnoticed and Jackie's got noticed.
Quote Post Goto Top
 
kbp

I did not anticipate Jackie would have to actually serve more than 1 day.

Was I wrong??????
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Baldo
Member Avatar

Current Inmate Population

WAGSTAFF, JACQULINE, D

Date Confined Date Released Statute Description Bond Type Bond Amount
12/17/2010 [incarcerated] CRIMINAL CONTEMPT NO BOND $0.00

http://www.co.durham.nc.us/departments/shrf/IPS/current.cfm


Twas the night before Christmas and Jacki was serving a 10 day sentence in the olde Durham jail.

Ho Ho Ho!
Edited by Baldo, Dec 20 2010, 09:51 PM.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
kbp

You locals all need to send her Christmas cards - sign them "Liestoppers"
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Deleted User
Deleted User

kbp
Dec 20 2010, 10:09 PM
You locals all need to send her Christmas cards - sign them "Liestoppers"
oh my gosh, that would be hilarious.
Quote Post Goto Top
 
Deleted User
Deleted User

Maybe like Dr. King's letter from the Birmingham jail, Jackie will give us her version of what it's like to be down for the cause. No offense to Dr. King.
Quote Post Goto Top
 
Rusty Dog
Member Avatar

You mean like the NCNAACP wrote their letters from the Wake County Jail earlier this year? I did take that as an offense to Dr. King.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Baldo
Member Avatar

Maybe the LieStoppers Gee Club could sing outside the jail.

"We know who been naughty!"

Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
abb
Member Avatar

http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/12/21/873888/wagstaffs-jail-time-cut-short.html

Published Tue, Dec 21, 2010 04:53 AM
Modified Mon, Dec 20, 2010 11:34 PM
Wagstaff's jail time cut short

DURHAM Former City Councilwoman Jackie Wagstaff will go free today after Superior Court Judge Abe Jones cut her jail term for contempt of court in half.

Wagstaff wrote to Jones on Friday, apologizing for an outburst while Jones was speaking to the jury in Crystal Mangum's arson trial

Wagstaff said, "This is ridiculous," after Jones sent the split jury back into deliberation for a third time Friday to try for a unanimous verdict on first-degree arson, Mangum's most serious charge. Mangum's attorney, Mani Dexter, had been asking Jones to declare a mistrial because of the hung jury.

The judge eventually did that, but not before he ordered Wagstaff jailed for 10 days and levied a $200 fine.

Wagstaff pleaded with Jones to let her spend Christmas at home. He cut her sentence to five days and removed the fine. "I thought it was equitable, and it was something I could do in the holiday spirit," Jones said. "I think I made my point."

During her contempt of court hearing Friday, Wagstaff said her remark referred to part of a conversation with fellow Mangum supporter Victoria Peterson, not the judge's decision. Jones said that explanation strained credulity.

Jones warned Wagstaff at the start of jury selection not to try to influence the jury, after she was seen exchanging greetings with a potential juror.

Bailiff Scott Hodges testified about Wagstaff's ongoing disruptions during the three-week trial. At one point, Hodges confiscated Wagstaff's cell phone and charger from an electrical outlet in the courtroom when it buzzed several times and she failed to silence it.

In her letter, Wagstaff said Hodges had "on occasion" told her and other Mangum supporters to keep their voices down. "I was never directly instructed by him in the court on a daily basis," she wrote. "That was as a group."
jesse.deconto@newsobserver.com or 919-932-8760
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous)
ZetaBoards - Free Forum Hosting
Join the millions that use us for their forum communities. Create your own forum today.
Learn More · Register for Free
Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · DUKE LACROSSE - Liestoppers · Next Topic »
Add Reply