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CRYSTAL MANGUM TRIAL; December 2010
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Baldo
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Until next time Folks!

She will be back.
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Baldo
Dec 19 2010, 03:05 PM
Until next time Folks!

She will be back.
She's the gift that keeps on giving.
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So, what's next? How do we help or can we help the children?

I can't get those three children off my mind. Maybe it the time of year-

I was listening to my Elvis music in my car today.
When this song come on, I thought of her son.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2En0ZyjQgU4&feature=related

Where are the kids tonight? Do they have more than a mattress to sleep on? Do they have more than pizza to eat?
Is Santa coming?

Is anybody going to save these three children?
Edited by ~J~ is in Wonderland, Dec 19 2010, 06:42 PM.
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~J~ is in Wonderland
Dec 19 2010, 06:41 PM
So, what's next? How do we help or can we help the children?

I can't get those three children off my mind. Maybe it the time of year-

I was listening to my Elvis music in my car today.
When this song come on, I thought of her son.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2En0ZyjQgU4&feature=related

Where are the kids tonight? Do they have more than a mattress to sleep on? Do they have more than pizza to eat?
Is Santa coming?

Is anybody going to save these three children?
Someone needs to report Crystal again to the NC equivalent of Children & Family Services based on testimony presented at the trial. She admitted setting a fire around the children, the police said there was "debris" in the house (before the fire), there was reportedly little furniture, and there was more history of misuse of prescription painkillers. I am also concerned about the kids' nutrition with all the carry-outs they were eating (such healthy items as a stream of pizzas).

It would be best if someone from Durham would file another complaint. Any takers?

(Of course, child services are well familiar with this case, but they are over-worked and under-paid. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. These 3 kids need to be protected.)
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One would need an address - if Crystal is back with her parents then there is probably little that CPS would be able to do if their house is furnished, there is food, and heat. My guess is that she is probably with relatives at the present since one has to assume that her landlord had her evicted based on the arson.

I agree, it is hard not to think about her children. What kind of Christmas will they have? Will things improve for them in 2011? One has to hope that Crystal had a "Come to Jesus" moment as the jury was deliberating her fate and that she will make some serious New Year resolutions.
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I fully acknowledge the decency of caring and wanting to do something. However IMHO there is nothing we can do. I say that because I look to what Crystal and her supporters did to the Duke Lacrosse team and their families. They didn't care about the carnage they caused them. They still don't.

Who cared about the Duke players' siblings? Who cared about the tears? Who cared about the health problems and the worry? I have heard some of the stories that have been shared privately. They all could have gone away by telling the truth. Four years later and we still don't have complete justice.
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Baldo:

You bring up a very valid point - the siblings of RCD suffered enormously as a result of the accusations of "Durham's good mother". They were fortunate in that they had parents who cared for them and would do whatever it took to protect them. Mangum's children, on the other hand, have their mother's enablers who continue either financially or emotionally to support her lifestyle choices. There is little hope that those children will grow into fully functioning and contributing members of society because they have no role model or means of support for that to happen.
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Dec 19 2010, 08:26 PM
Baldo:

You bring up a very valid point - the siblings of RCD suffered enormously as a result of the accusations of "Durham's good mother". They were fortunate in that they had parents who cared for them and would do whatever it took to protect them. Mangum's children, on the other hand, have their mother's enablers who continue either financially or emotionally to support her lifestyle choices. There is little hope that those children will grow into fully functioning and contributing members of society because they have no role model or means of support for that to happen.
Absolutely.They need a loving home like DCR had.
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I have a question. ..because I've been "away" for awhile. Where is Crystal's family in all this?

I know we were angered at the time by their infuriating backing of Mangum's lies...but she did grow up in a two parent home with hard working parents. I think I recall she had siblings who turned out well. Mangum had a stable home that she was raised in..did she not? Her issues began IIRC when she disobeyed the family and went off at 14 to be with the older boyfriend...and the first rape charges involved him and his friends.

Iknow that Travis has died..but where is her Mother, sister...etc. Why are they not with her in the courtroom, standing beside her at her Book signing events?

Is the family supportive of her still? It almost seems as if her family needs to hire a cult de-programmer and have someone throw their daughter in a van and get her away from Durham's crazies who are aiding, abetting and agitating all of Mangum's already considerable insanity..
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I don't want to sound cold hearted, but it is difficult to help children who have a parent or parents that the state has not deemed negligent. This country has several generations now (since l964) of families who look to government to solve their problems. The abuse and neglect of today is the crime of tomorrow in these families. Unless the state steps in and physically takes these children away from Crystal, there is nothing we can do. The real crime here is that no one in the black community sems to care what happens to the children so long as Crystal is vindicated for her crimes.
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Crystal wants enablers in her life.

Her New Family (the Friends Of Crystal Mangum) have more money than her old family - and they are tapped into ways to get money from community churches and social programs (and the Public Defender's office).

There is a time when you are just aiding to the Death and demise of someone by providing them a place to live, money, and assistance.

DMom was on to this concern for the kids some time ago.


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Dec 19 2010, 08:56 PM
I have a question. ..because I've been "away" for awhile. Where is Crystal's family in all this?

I know we were angered at the time by their infuriating backing of Mangum's lies...but she did grow up in a two parent home with hard working parents. I think I recall she had siblings who turned out well. Mangum had a stable home that she was raised in..did she not? Her issues began IIRC when she disobeyed the family and went off at 14 to be with the older boyfriend...and the first rape charges involved him and his friends.

Iknow that Travis has died..but where is her Mother, sister...etc. Why are they not with her in the courtroom, standing beside her at her Book signing events?

Is the family supportive of her still? It almost seems as if her family needs to hire a cult de-programmer and have someone throw their daughter in a van and get her away from Durham's crazies who are aiding, abetting and agitating all of Mangum's already considerable insanity..
You are asking, who will take care of CGM's children ?

a very cogent question.

Will these 3 children be 'placed' back with CGM / their 'birth mother" --- or will they
be better allowed be placed with someone who genuinely cares about the children?
(foster family perhaps)

I remain upset that the judge returned these children to an unfit mother.
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The deeper problem here is the divergence in cultural norms. We have on one hand a culture that stands by the meta-narrative that it's problems are caused by others.

Jackie Wagstaff overheard during recess: 'They are not understanding the nature of the black household.'

This was the cultural defense of a person who ON FILM:
1) admitted to setting a fire which could have killed and certainly endangered her children
2) admitted to slashing tires and smashing windows of a car
3) went from a person with her head on a table to an outlandish performance which cost the taxpayers the fee for an emergency service in a feeble attempt to obtain drugs.

The judge called her a "Good Mother" while her children were cared for by others, lived in a slovenly fashion and dined almost exclusively on fast food bought by government provided resources. A mother who spends more time trying to fraudulently obtain drugs than caring for her children.

If this is the paradigm of the Black family (only 17% who grow up in a 2 adult household) then there is a larger problem.... we have the Congress-critter who wanted to siphon off 98 Billion dollars for the inner city.

To misquote Microsoft's Bill Gates: If you provide technology MONEY for a efficient process CULTURE you will make a more efficient process self-sufficient CULTURE. However, providing technology MONEY to a broken process CULTURE will only cause a more dysfunctional process CULTURE.

From the early days of the Great Society we have seen the effect of rewarding bad behaviors and its effect upon the Black culture. I interact daily with Black parents who spend time with their children and are a huge part of their lives. These children are successful in society. Throwing money at problems does not solve the core issues which are parental involvement, teaching self-worth and demanding responsibility for ones own actions. The lack of these virtues is quite self-evident in Mahrud and its socialist/progressive political elite. The effect of these policies had made it a Breeding ground for the Mangums, Atwaters and Lovettes of the world. These people are probably as dangerous to our society as any jihadist if not more so.

A rather bleak view I know, a rather broad brush perhaps.... but the question remains, how can another culture effect positive change in a specific culture? How can we support the Allen West's who will be the only one's to change the culture. Not trying to condemn - attempting to understand how to assist a transformative shift towards a functional society. While the greatest deleterious effects can be seen in the culture of Blacks, similar effects can be seen among all the poor of all ethnicities.

There is a growing divide among those that produce and create wealth and those who only manipulate and consume wealth. Balkanization is the term that probably describes the changes in our great country. United we stand divided we fall rings as true today as it ever did.



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Dec 19 2010, 09:54 PM
The deeper problem here is the divergence in cultural norms. We have on one hand a culture that stands by the meta-narrative that it's problems are caused by others.

Jackie Wagstaff overheard during recess: 'They are not understanding the nature of the black household.'

This was the cultural defense of a person who ON FILM:
1) admitted to setting a fire which could have killed and certainly endangered her children
2) admitted to slashing tires and smashing windows of a car
3) went from a person with her head on a table to an outlandish performance which cost the taxpayers the fee for an emergency service in a feeble attempt to obtain drugs.

The judge called her a "Good Mother" while her children were cared for by others, lived in a slovenly fashion and dined almost exclusively on fast food bought by government provided resources. A mother who spends more time trying to fraudulently obtain drugs than caring for her children.

If this is the paradigm of the Black family (only 17% who grow up in a 2 adult household) then there is a larger problem.... we have the Congress-critter who wanted to siphon off 98 Billion dollars for the inner city.

To misquote Microsoft's Bill Gates: If you provide technology MONEY for a efficient process CULTURE you will make a more efficient process self-sufficient CULTURE. However, providing technology MONEY to a broken process CULTURE will only cause a more dysfunctional process CULTURE.

From the early days of the Great Society we have seen the effect of rewarding bad behaviors and its effect upon the Black culture. I interact daily with Black parents who spend time with their children and are a huge part of their lives. These children are successful in society. Throwing money at problems does not solve the core issues which are parental involvement, teaching self-worth and demanding responsibility for ones own actions. The lack of these virtues is quite self-evident in Mahrud and its socialist/progressive political elite. The effect of these policies had made it a Breeding ground for the Mangums, Atwaters and Lovettes of the world. These people are probably as dangerous to our society as any jihadist if not more so.

A rather bleak view I know, a rather broad brush perhaps.... but the question remains, how can another culture effect positive change in a specific culture? How can we support the Allen West's who will be the only one's to change the culture. Not trying to condemn - attempting to understand how to assist a transformative shift towards a functional society. While the greatest deleterious effects can be seen in the culture of Blacks, similar effects can be seen among all the poor of all ethnicities.

There is a growing divide among those that produce and create wealth and those who only manipulate and consume wealth. Balkanization is the term that probably describes the changes in our great country. United we stand divided we fall rings as true today as it ever did.



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I think we see some of that in an aggressive Jury foreperson that hasn't done anything in life. She takes over - and her morals, ethics, and feelings about breaking the law are quite different than the people the Free Defense attorney blocked from the Jury.

Political Correctness was part and parcel of this trial. How does that ADA, with Cline as a Boss and Judge Mother-Lover, filter for blacks that were primed to jump in Crystal's corner due to her race and the black group leading her?

We know Durham is very capable of Moral Outrage. Not for this Mother though - never.


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Dec 19 2010, 09:54 PM
The deeper problem here is the divergence in cultural norms. We have on one hand a culture that stands by the meta-narrative that it's problems are caused by others.

Jackie Wagstaff overheard during recess: 'They are not understanding the nature of the black household.'

This was the cultural defense of a person who ON FILM:
1) admitted to setting a fire which could have killed and certainly endangered her children
2) admitted to slashing tires and smashing windows of a car
3) went from a person with her head on a table to an outlandish performance which cost the taxpayers the fee for an emergency service in a feeble attempt to obtain drugs.

The judge called her a "Good Mother" while her children were cared for by others, lived in a slovenly fashion and dined almost exclusively on fast food bought by government provided resources. A mother who spends more time trying to fraudulently obtain drugs than caring for her children.

If this is the paradigm of the Black family (only 17% who grow up in a 2 adult household) then there is a larger problem.... we have the Congress-critter who wanted to siphon off 98 Billion dollars for the inner city.

To misquote Microsoft's Bill Gates: If you provide technology MONEY for a efficient process CULTURE you will make a more efficient process self-sufficient CULTURE. However, providing technology MONEY to a broken process CULTURE will only cause a more dysfunctional process CULTURE.

From the early days of the Great Society we have seen the effect of rewarding bad behaviors and its effect upon the Black culture. I interact daily with Black parents who spend time with their children and are a huge part of their lives. These children are successful in society. Throwing money at problems does not solve the core issues which are parental involvement, teaching self-worth and demanding responsibility for ones own actions. The lack of these virtues is quite self-evident in Mahrud and its socialist/progressive political elite. The effect of these policies had made it a Breeding ground for the Mangums, Atwaters and Lovettes of the world. These people are probably as dangerous to our society as any jihadist if not more so.

A rather bleak view I know, a rather broad brush perhaps.... but the question remains, how can another culture effect positive change in a specific culture? How can we support the Allen West's who will be the only one's to change the culture. Not trying to condemn - attempting to understand how to assist a transformative shift towards a functional society. While the greatest deleterious effects can be seen in the culture of Blacks, similar effects can be seen among all the poor of all ethnicities.

There is a growing divide among those that produce and create wealth and those who only manipulate and consume wealth. Balkanization is the term that probably describes the changes in our great country. United we stand divided we fall rings as true today as it ever did.



The absolute best analysis of the problem posted thus far. Excellent!
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