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CRYSTAL MANGUM TRIAL; December 2010
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Jones had no evidence whatsoever to declare Crystal a good mother. How would he know unless he was told by third parties. There were no character witnesses, no one from DSS to state that they had investigated the family and had come away with nothing to substantiate a charge of neglect. It was out of the blue and at the end of a trial in which she was charged with arson obviously endangering her children. I think Jones' remarks were inconsistent with courtroom protocol in other jurisdictions.
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Dec 18 2010, 04:17 PM
Some of the reports given by others who were in the courtroom would indicate that this group of supporters were making a lot of eye contact with the jury, shaking their heads no when they disagreed with a witness and rolling their eyes. This looks like jury intimidation to me. It appears from the reports that Judge Jones runs a very loose ship.
I witness the actions described above myself.
I have not included the things I observed and heard in the hallway.


I don't think chatham is saying, these things didn't happen-he just didn't observe them while he was there.
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Dec 18 2010, 08:40 PM
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Dec 18 2010, 05:45 PM
Please explain or direct me back to pages for more clarification. Chatham what do you mean by "overcharged"?

I am not Chatham, but, I'd like to talk about Crystal being overcharged. The state could have charged her with Arson in violation of NGCS § 14-66 Burning of personal property, a Class H felony. That certainly fit the facts of the case and carried a much lesser penalty than First Degree Arson, a Class D Felony. The state also elected not to have the judge instruct the jury on the lesser included offense of Arson in violation of NCGS § 14-66 which they could have. The state rolled the dice on getting the big felony and lost. Had they pursued the § 14-66 charge, I think Crystal would be a convicted felon today.

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Dec 18 2010, 05:44 PM
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Jurors, in some cases, were selected for submissiveness.

Shauna rose to be the Jury foreperson. Was that based on her accomplishments - or her aggressiveness and attitude?


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IMO- I think maybe she volunteered from the get go.

I still have this strong feeling, she knew Wagstaff. There was to much eye contact between them from the time they were seated.
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NOTE THE DIFFERENCES IN THE HEADLINES:

http://www.chitownlacrosse.com/?p=10331


Duke lacrosse accuser convicted of child abuse Washington Post

Duke Lacrosse Accuser Guilty of Child Abuse MyFox Washington DC

Jury finds former Duke lacrosse accuser guilty in domestic dispute WRAL.com

Crystal Mangum freed after jury deadlocks
News & Observer



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Dec 18 2010, 08:46 PM
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Dec 18 2010, 05:45 PM
Please explain or direct me back to pages for more clarification. Chatham what do you mean by "overcharged"?

I am not Chatham, but, I'd like to talk about Crystal being overcharged. The state could have charged her with Arson in violation of NGCS § 14-66 Burning of personal property, a Class H felony. That certainly fit the facts of the case and carried a much lesser penalty than First Degree Arson, a Class D Felony. The state also elected not to have the judge instruct the jury on the lesser included offense of Arson in violation of NCGS § 14-66 which they could have. The state rolled the dice on getting the big felony and lost. Had they pursued the § 14-66 charge, I think Crystal would be a convicted felon today.

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It's not too late.

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Don't hold your breath. I want to see you enjoy the holidays.

Thanks Walt for the clarification. I don't expect additional charges in light of the costs of this first trial and its intended outcome.
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Dec 18 2010, 08:48 PM
NOTE MY CHANGES IN THE HEADLINES:

http://www.chitownlacrosse.com/?p=10331

Crystal Mangum freed after jury has dreadlocks
News & Observer

Duke lacrosse accuser convicted of child abuse, voted Mother of Year Washington Post

Dear Mother Guilty of Child Abuse MyFox Washington DC

Jury finds former Duke lacrosse accuser guilty of being a sweet puppy dog WRAL.com



Somebody stop me.
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I always wanted to be a D.J.

This goes out from Abe in Durham to that Special Lady, Crystal:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Rmt9TSVC1M




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DUKE LACROSSE FALSE ACCUSER TO PLAY THE ROLE OF THE SUGAR PLUM FAIRY IN THE CRACK NUTS SUITE TO BE HELD AT THE DURHAM PERFORMING ARTS CENTER. ALL PROCEEDS WILL GO FOR FUTURE DEFENSE FUNDS.
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... is the DA smart enough to think all what you say up?


Well, consider the Leon Brown case. How do you get a man off for rape charges,
when his DNA is found at the scene, the victim has identified him (he was her cousin),
and he has confessed?

The DA's office (including Tracey Cline, who prosecuted this one), evidently
figured a way: give the man immunity in return for his testimony
against... Leon Brown-- a poor soul without any alibi. Claim Leon Brown
was the real mastermind behind the rape.

So Brown is arrested, detained for a year in jail, and then tried. The cousin
admits the rape and testifies against Brown.

Brown is found totally innocent--the jury returns in about five minutes,
and the jury foreman complains that
the jury didn't even know why the case was brought.

BUT, the result was that the actual rapist was set free, according to
the bargain.

IMHO, accusing Leon Brown was a set-up by the DA's office to accomplish just that.

I think they may do these kind of deals all the time.
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Mason
Dec 18 2010, 08:53 PM
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Dec 18 2010, 08:48 PM
NOTE MY CHANGES IN THE HEADLINES:

http://www.chitownlacrosse.com/?p=10331

Crystal Mangum freed after jury has dreadlocks
News & Observer

Duke lacrosse accuser convicted of child abuse, voted Mother of Year Washington Post

Dear Mother Guilty of Child Abuse MyFox Washington DC

Jury finds former Duke lacrosse accuser guilty of being a sweet puppy dog WRAL.com



Somebody stop me.


Judge declares outstanding NCCU honor grad is "good mother".
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Dec 18 2010, 08:42 PM
Jones had no evidence whatsoever to declare Crystal a good mother. How would he know unless he was told by third parties. There were no character witnesses, no one from DSS to state that they had investigated the family and had come away with nothing to substantiate a charge of neglect. It was out of the blue and at the end of a trial in which she was charged with arson obviously endangering her children. I think Jones' remarks were inconsistent with courtroom protocol in other jurisdictions.
This brings me back to comments by Judge Osmond Smith III after
he found Nifong guilty of criminal contempt and sentenced him to
one day in prison.

Judge Smith made a comment to the effect that he didn't believe
there was a conspiracy between Nifong and Meehan to hide the
exculpatory evidence of all the non-LAX DNA found on Mangum.

Similar to the situation here, Smith never asked to hear the totally
convincing evidence supporting that such a conspiracy existed.
I would be willing to bet that he never read the transcript of that
infamous Dec. 15 hearing. He had no basis whatsoever to make such
a statement. He was totally out of order!

Same thing here: Judge Jones was totally out of order to declare
that Mangum is a good mother. This is just unbelievable stuff.


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Great point, Mike. Isn't unbelievable that an officer of the Court can lie and hide evidence and spend one day for contempt and Jackie Big Mouth gets 10 days and $200 in fines.
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Dec 18 2010, 09:05 PM
Great point, Mike. Isn't unbelievable that an officer of the Court can lie and hide evidence and spend one day for contempt and Jackie Big Mouth gets 10 days and $200 in fines.
Durham did not get the moniker wonderland for nothing!
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Dec 18 2010, 08:46 PM
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Dec 18 2010, 08:40 PM
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Dec 18 2010, 05:45 PM
Please explain or direct me back to pages for more clarification. Chatham what do you mean by "overcharged"?

I am not Chatham, but, I'd like to talk about Crystal being overcharged. The state could have charged her with Arson in violation of NGCS § 14-66 Burning of personal property, a Class H felony. That certainly fit the facts of the case and carried a much lesser penalty than First Degree Arson, a Class D Felony. The state also elected not to have the judge instruct the jury on the lesser included offense of Arson in violation of NCGS § 14-66 which they could have. The state rolled the dice on getting the big felony and lost. Had they pursued the § 14-66 charge, I think Crystal would be a convicted felon today.

Walt-in-Durham
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It's not too late.

:)
It's not too late ...yet!
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