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CRYSTAL MANGUM TRIAL; December 2010
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Dec 2 2010, 01:35 AM
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Crystal Entering Court Today


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".. . .how do you hold a moonbeam in your hand?"
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Crystal Entering Court Today


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".. . .how do you hold a moonbeam in your hand?"
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I thought for sure, I would get some "Flying Nun" references.



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From a site called Levitation
http://www.deeptrancenow.com/levitation.htm

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Dec 2 2010, 03:49 PM
From a site called Levitation

http://www.deeptrancenow.com/levitation.htm

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:roflmao: :roflmao:


The Transformation is complete.

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http://triangle.news14.com/content/video_stories/633513/juror-selected-in-crystal-mangum-trial?ap=1&MP4

DURHAM — Only two jurors have been seated in the Crystal Mangum arson trial.

Mangum is the woman Attorney General Roy Cooper said falsely accused three members on the Duke lacrosse team of rape. More than a third of the jury pool was excused Thursday morning after admitting they could not be impartial. Many others said they knew who Mangum was due to the high-profile investigation into Duke.

Only about two dozen potential jurors remain.

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Dec 2 2010, 07:57 AM
I agree, Sceptical. This is what happens when a society becomes politicized, as is the case in Durham. Notice how so many people there speak of political symbolism on just about anything.

Likewise, what we heard from much of the Duke faculty was symbolism of this and that. So, the Karla Holloways of Duke are long on symbolism, but very, very short on the truth. A sign of the times.

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Why isn't Cathy Davidson there waving to Victoria and propping Mangum up? Has every single one of the Gang of 88 hidden herself or himself away so that no one will associate her or him with a lying prostitute who has tried to run policemen down with a car and has set fire in a house where her children were already terrified? Isn't her fame as an actually published author enough to get them down to cheer her on?

Are they jealous that she has an actual printed and bound book to her great credit? :SarC:
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Dec 2 2010, 07:21 PM
Why isn't Cathy Davidson there waving to Victoria and propping Mangum up? Has every single one of the Gang of 88 hidden herself or himself away so that no one will associate her or him with a lying prostitute who has tried to run policemen down with a car and has set fire in a house where her children were already terrified? Isn't her fame as an actually published author enough to get them down to cheer her on?

Are they jealous that she has an actual printed and bound book to her great credit? :SarC:
Haha! :roflmao:
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Crystal has always been treated with kid gloves by the Durham establishment. Why??

A few possibilities:

1) Her life saga fits in with their liberal views that African-Americans are "victims" to whom restitution is due, even 150 years since the Civil War. Crystal benefits from the reverse racism of the left.

2) Crystal has become a cause celebre of Durham's black community. Despite her past as a mentally-ill, drug-addicted prostitute, she does come from an old family in Durham-- a small community where family ties are important. DA Tracey Cline is a beneficiary of this community's support and she does not want to antagonize her people.

3) Durham and justice have almost become oxymorons. Perhaps the judge and prosecution want to bend over backwards in response to the city's less than stellar reputation for a fair, equal and just criminal justice system.

4) There were many rumors that Crystal's clients may have included people such as police. While there is no confirmation, it is interesting that she was never arrested for solicitation. In any case, Crystal may have some knowlege that is protecting her.

I don't know which, if any, of the above are true. However, Crystal is receiving treatment unlike other suspects with her rap sheet. How many time sdo judges approve TV cameras when both the prosecutor and defense attorney ask they be prohibited?
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Dec 2 2010, 09:30 PM
Crystal has always been treated with kid gloves by the Durham establishment. Why??

A few possibilities:

1) Her life saga fits in with their liberal views that African-Americans are "victims" to whom restitution is due, even 150 years since the Civil War. Crystal benefits from the reverse racism of the left.

2) Crystal has become a cause celebre of Durham's black community. Despite her past as a mentally-ill, drug-addicted prostitute, she does come from an old family in Durham-- a small community where family ties are important. DA Tracey Cline is a beneficiary of this community's support and she does not want to antagonize her people.

3) Durham and justice have almost become oxymorons. Perhaps the judge and prosecution want to bend over backwards in response to the city's less than stellar reputation for a fair, equal and just criminal justice system.

4) There were many rumors that Crystal's clients may have included people such as police. While there is no confirmation, it is interesting that she was never arrested for solicitation. In any case, Crystal may have some knowlege that is protecting her.

I don't know which, if any, of the above are true. However, Crystal is receiving treatment unlike other suspects with her rap sheet. How many time sdo judges approve TV cameras when both the prosecutor and defense attorney ask they be prohibited?
I thought she also had family connections to the naacp higher ups?
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Dec 2 2010, 09:30 PM
Crystal has always been treated with kid gloves by the Durham establishment. Why??

A few possibilities:

1) Her life saga fits in with their liberal views that African-Americans are "victims" to whom restitution is due, even 150 years since the Civil War. Crystal benefits from the reverse racism of the left.

2) Crystal has become a cause celebre of Durham's black community. Despite her past as a mentally-ill, drug-addicted prostitute, she does come from an old family in Durham-- a small community where family ties are important. DA Tracey Cline is a beneficiary of this community's support and she does not want to antagonize her people.

3) Durham and justice have almost become oxymorons. Perhaps the judge and prosecution want to bend over backwards in response to the city's less than stellar reputation for a fair, equal and just criminal justice system.

4) There were many rumors that Crystal's clients may have included people such as police. While there is no confirmation, it is interesting that she was never arrested for solicitation. In any case, Crystal may have some knowlege that is protecting her.

I don't know which, if any, of the above are true. However, Crystal is receiving treatment unlike other suspects with her rap sheet. How many time sdo judges approve TV cameras when both the prosecutor and defense attorney ask they be prohibited?
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Do you remember the NCCU students that stated the Lacrosse Players should be found guilty even if they didn't Do it - which they raised as a probability?

The probability was, in their eyes, they were innocent, but they should be convicted anyway.

That is a very scary statement. Think about it.


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Crystal Gets Permanent "Immunity" concerning Duke Lacrosse Case. D.A. agrees not to use any of the evidence in the Duke Lacrosse case against her!

Can you imagine telling so many lies - and having them recorded on the record - and a Prosecutor promises not to raise any of those lies, any of that drug use, or false testimony?

Don't try it at home!


State won't raise lacrosse evidence in Mangum case

BY JESSE JAMES DECONTO - Staff Writer
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DURHAM -- Attorneys worked Thursday to keep the Duke lacrosse case out of accuser Crystal Mangum's current criminal troubles.

Prosecutor Mark McCullough and defense attorney Mani Dexter agreed that if Mangum takes the stand in her own defense, McCullough will not cross-examine her about false allegations of rape she made against three Duke University athletes four years ago.

Mangum faces trial on charges of arson, injury to personal property, contributing to the delinquency of her three children and resisting arrest. Police say she set the clothes of live-in boyfriend Milton Walker afire in a bathtub while the children and two officers were in her home responding to a domestic disturbance call.

Jury selection began Thursday with 17 jurors - more than one-third of the initial jury pool - excusing themselves, saying they couldn't impartially try the case.

Most of the others acknowledged they knew of Mangum through the lacrosse case but said they could still fairly determine her guilt or innocence on the current charges.

"I'm going to take it at face value that you can do that," Superior Court Judge Abe Jones told them. "I can only trust your solemn oath on that."

McCullough and Dexter then spent most of Thursday questioning remaining jurors. They were questioning the eighth juror when Jones sent everyone home for the day just after 5 p.m.

The judge had already dismissed three potential jurors: one for her belief that the courts favor women over men in domestic violence cases, one who admitted searching the Internet for information about Mangum on Wednesday night against the judge's order and one who said what he knew about the Duke case might affect whether he believed Mangum'.

The prosecutor also used one of his discretionary removals on a young man who had followed the Duke case closely and said he'd be less comfortable with a purely circumstantial case.

Dexter dismissed another potential juror who had said he planned to study criminal forensics after retiring from a local utility company.

That meant the lawyers and judge had approved only two jurors with about 20 left from the first pool. They need 12, plus a couple of alternates. Jones has called in a second pool of 30, in case not enough from the first are seated.

Dexter asked Jones to release the eighth juror interviewed because his family has strong ties to Duke and his wife, a university employee, sat on a committee charged with helping the campus deal with the lacrosse scandal. The man had said his knowledge of the lacrosse case might affect his work as a juror.

But Jones declined, saying many people in Durham have ties to Duke and opinions about the lacrosse case. He said he would trust jurors who admitted bias and promised to focus on the facts presented rather than those who denied that Mangum's past would influence them.

"Either you're going to get someone who's ignorant ... or somebody who's not telling you the truth," Jones said. "If I start trying to eliminate every positive connection with Duke, we're going to be here until hell freezes over."

http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/12/03/840060/state-wont-raise-lacrosse-matters.html


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The State absolves Crystal of a case that thoroughly trashes her creditability.

The state has a case file where the defendant, in this case, can be shown to have a history drug abuse, prostitution, feigning consciousness, lying to Police, lying to medical personnel, lying to authorities, a case where the woman at the center ended up accusing SBI crime scene personnel of manipulating photos and timestamps. Crystal even had a bank - their surveillance photos - as part of the conspiracy.

I posted in this thread when Crystal told Police she thought one of her kids was there when she was alone with him in a Police car in another part of town.





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Not a peep in the Herald-Sun this morning about the trial.
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Let me remind everyone, Crystal's issue with DSS (social services). according to the N&O, arose when:


"Mangum's recent troubles arose when she applied for
food stamps, Medicare, subsidized child care, Cash and employment assistance through the Durham County Department of Social Services."




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Can you imagine if, let's say, I had stolen a car and tried to run over a Cop previously - and then I force the State into an expensive Jury Trial, but I said you can't bring up the fact I stole a car and tried to run over a Cop in my Jury Trial though!

The state is the only one here that has any leverage, why are they allowing Crystal to set conditions?

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