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CRYSTAL MANGUM TRIAL; December 2010
Topic Started: Nov 29 2010, 12:59 PM (56,618 Views)
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sdsgo
Dec 17 2010, 02:25 PM
Baldo: “It cannot be a pleasant thought for one to know that 8 people want to send you to prison.”

And that’s just her lawyer. Imagine what Crystal’s feeling about now.
When do her supporters start singing "We Shall Overcome"?
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The important thing about the arson charge is that it is the only felony for which Crystal was charged. If she just gets convicted with the misdemeanors only, I suspect she'll get sentenced to time served or perhaps a little more.
Crystal has previous misdemeanor convictions and they haven't stopped her periodic mayhem.
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Does anyone think that this will carry over till Monday?
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At what point, after convicion on previous misdemeanors, does the justice system dictate that perhaps incarceration is necessary?
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Kerri P.
Dec 17 2010, 02:32 PM
Does anyone think that this will carry over till Monday?
At this point, will deliberations continue into 2011?
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Back in session now.
less than 20 seconds ago via TweetDeck

RT @johnrobinson: Greensboro News & Record [seeks] crime reporter. Spread the word. Applicants should be able to figure out whom to contact.
less than 10 seconds ago via TweetDeck .

He’ll check how long the vote has been stuck when court resumes at 2:30 p.m.
about 1 hour ago via TweetDeck
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Dexter: “They indicated to the court yesterday that they were split on a particular element of that charge." She seeks mistrial.
less than 10 seconds ago via TweetDeck


Mani Dexter, defense attorney, seeks mistrial on arson charge “because the jury has shown that they really are deadlocked on that issue.”
less than 20 seconds ago via TweetDeck
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Mason:
"...at least 3 loads (carrying loads) of clothes."

The 3 loads would be capable of producing a fire that would spread, as the case shows. Like I had noted, the amount of clothes would certainly make a difference on what other damage she should have anticipated.



Sdsgo:
While kpb speculates that a bathtub might be a safe place for an indoor fire, the National Fire Safety folks would take great umbrage with such reasoning.

I tried to point out that the tub was the safest place of all or most locations one could start a fire in the house, a spot that would be difficult to use if you were trying to burn the house down.


Lopes claimed that Rison had beaten her after a night out, and she set fire to his shoes to get back at him.

That case doesn't read like the intent to burn the house down was present.


It looks like there may be a hung jury here. Knowing we see prosecutors going overboard to convict people all the time, I'd hope they could lock Crystal up for something. Was she on probation?

I hope the best for the children, but the circumstances already look like they have giant hurdles to overcome. We may be reading about crime reports on one or more of them in the future.
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The Crystal Mangum jury has unanimous verdicts on five misdemeanor charges. It’s split 8-4 on the only felony, arson.
less than 5 seconds ago via TweetDeck

Judge Abe Jones says he will ask the jury how long they have been at 8-4 and if they feel they can make progress.
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Jones says he’ll charge the jury to break the deadlock. “Obviously the court has a strong interest in getting this matter resolved…”
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Jones wants unanimity on arson. “They and us worked on it very hard, so I don’t want to let it go just yet.”
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Dexter seeks an exception for the record, which could provide grounds for overturning a guilty verdict on appeals.
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Jones is reviewing the instructions that he is about to give the jury.
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~J~ is in Wonderland
Whats a Allen charge?
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Kerri P.
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I'm getting whip lash just trying to keep up with this guys tweets. LOL
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~J~ is in Wonderland
Dec 17 2010, 02:41 PM
Whats a Allen charge?
Go here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_charge
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chatham
Dec 17 2010, 01:37 PM
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Dec 17 2010, 01:35 PM
Is it quite unusual for the judge to announce to the courtroom exactly what the jury vote is at the moment?

And then the jury goes out into the world for lunch?

(In Wake County the jury goes to whichever restaurant they each want. They are reminded not to talk to anyone and they wear a big badge identifying them as jurors. In Durham, do they all eat inside the courthouse?)
No, they go to lunch where they want. So does the judge.
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My concern was that with the vote total made public, there might be extra pressure placed on the jurors while they were out of the eyesight of the baillif bailiff.
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Jones has stepped outside the courtroom. The renewed jury charge has yet to be given.
1 minute ago via TweetDeck

The jury seems to be in good spirits. We can hear their chatter (but not make out any words) in the courtroom as we await Jones’ return.
half a minute ago via TweetDeck

Jones just came back. He tells the bailiff to bring in the jury.
less than 5 seconds ago via TweetDeck

“Focus,” one male juror just said to a colleague as he stepped into the courtroom.
less than 20 seconds ago via TweetDeck
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Dec 17 2010, 02:41 PM
Whats a Allen charge?
http://www.answers.com/topic/allen-charge

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An instruction given by the court to a jury which is experiencing difficulty reaching a verdict in a criminal case, in an attempt to encourage such jury to make a renewed effort to arrive at a decision. Such a supplementary charge was approved by the United States Supreme Court in Allen v. United States, where the trial court in effect told the jury "that in a large proportion of cases absolute certainty could not be expected; that although the verdict must be the verdict of each individual juror, and not a mere acquiescence in the conclusion of his fellows, yet they should examine the question submitted with candor and with a proper regard [for] and deference to the opinions of each other; that it was their duty to decide the case if they could conscientiously do so; that they should listen, with a disposition to be convinced, to each other's arguments; that, if much the larger number were for conviction, a dissenting juror should consider whether his doubt was a reasonable one which made no impression upon the minds of so many men, equally honest, equally intelligent with himself. If, upon the other hand, the majority was for acquittal, the minority ought to ask themselves whether they might not reasonably doubt the correctness of a judgment which was not concurred in by the majority." 164 U.S. 492, 501. This sort of instruction has been the target of complaints that it is coercive or constitutes a mandatory charge in terms of its likely effect on a jury. See, e.g., 309 F. 2d 852. Although use of such a charge had not yet been declared unconstitutional by any federal court, modifications of the Allen charge to ensure non-coerciveness have been insisted upon in many jurisdictions, see, e.g., 411 F. 2d 930; and its use has been banned outright by some state courts, see, e.g., 342 P. 2d. 197.
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