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CRYSTAL MANGUM TRIAL; December 2010
Topic Started: Nov 29 2010, 12:59 PM (56,627 Views)
DukieInKansas

I'm going to take a more positive spin on the questions. If the judge said he would rule out neglect if not guilty on arson, perhaps the jury is trying to determine if the fire is enough to be considered neglect - putting the kids in harms way. If they answer is yes, that will encourage them to vote guilty on arson.

I'm not sure how setting clothing on fire in a bathroom and leaving the room could not have an expected outcome of burning more than just the clothes.
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Durham has been suspending disbelief for a long time. This is O.J. all over again.
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Both lawyers very vociferous, especially McCullough. He banged ring on jury box. Shaking head as Mani Dexter, defense attorney, talks.
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Dec 16 2010, 04:24 PM
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I'm not sure how setting clothing on fire in a bathroom and leaving the room could not have an expected outcome of burning more than just the clothes.
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She also concealed the fire so it wouldn't be found.

If this Jury thinks Crystal should be allowed to do her thing and endanger her kids (and the neighbors) and have the Cops stay out of it (remember, it was the Cops fault for reporting and then asking questions of the kids) - then Durham is in trouble.

Raise the Durham Taxes to allow for the Crystal Exemption.

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Jones ruling in favor of prosecution. A bailiff just handed him a note and he left the courtroom. He just returned after about a minute.

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Jury re-entering box now. Very serious faces.
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Dec 16 2010, 04:27 PM
Both lawyers very vociferous, especially McCullough. He banged ring on jury box. Shaking head as Mani Dexter, defense attorney, talks.
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If this discussion gets loud the jury may be able to hear parts of it. The jury room is not sound proof. I could hear the jury twice when they were sequestered, laughing having a great time. SO noisy that the court cop had to knock on the door, open it and ask them to be quiet.
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Jones: Jury may find guilty for abuse/neglect even if it finds not guilty on felony first-degree arson. Jury leaves quickly.
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Here's a Simple Question.

If Crystal walks out with a slap on the hand (another Misdemeanor conviction for her collection), is she more likely to continue her life of Drugs and Crime - or less likely.

I saw Video of her smiling and laughing inappropriately in Court. I think I know the answer.



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Jones is asking lawyers when to resume court Friday. The sheriff's department said Northern Durham roads are starting to ice up now.
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Current road conditions were the subject of the note Jones got before the jury was recalled. The question: When will roads be safe Friday?
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A sheriff's lieutenant says black ice is expected Friday morning. He feels roads will clear up around noon. Jury being recalled.
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Kerri P.
Dec 16 2010, 04:32 PM
Jones: Jury may find guilty for abuse/neglect even if it finds not guilty on felony first-degree arson. Jury leaves quickly.
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IMO this is the correct answer. The jury does not need to know what the judge will end up doing. He could overturn the entire jury verdict if he wants. The jury should not have to worry what parts of the verdict, if any, may be inked by the judge.
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Did the Judge reverse his earlier decision re: the relation of
the abuse charges to the arson charge?
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Jury members are bringing their coats and other items with them now. Jones has started speaking: will start Friday at 11.
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Dec 16 2010, 04:35 PM
Did the Judge reverse his earlier decision re: the relation of<br />the abuse charges to the arson charge?
That's what it sounds like to me.
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Dec 16 2010, 04:35 PM
Did the Judge reverse his earlier decision re: the relation of
the abuse charges to the arson charge?
No, I dont believe so. But not being there in the court I cannot be sure. I do not believe the jury knows how the judge would react to those charges if the arson charge comes back not guilty and the 3 children's charges come back guilty. Because they are linked the judge decided early on that if the arson was not guilty then there is no way the children could have been neglected.

I believe the jury is more about the consequences of any guilty charges rather than the crimes committed. They may just not want someone to serve a long time for these crimes. They want crystal guilty of as much as possible without necessarily sending her to prison for years. Time will tell. I am guessing only.
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On the whole it looks like the Jury is being diligent and asking questions, as they should. The Crystal Watch continues!

In the meanwhile remember this song?

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"Time Is" by It's a Beautiful Day

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKHhpzFSKOg

Time is Too Slow for Those Who Wait
and Time is too Swift for Those Who fear
Time is too Long for Those who Grieve
And time is Too short for Those that Laugh
And Love is too slow for those who Wait
And Love is too Swift for Those who Fear
And Love is too Long for those who Grieve
And Love is too short for Those that Laugh
But for Those who Love
But for Those who Really Love
But for Those Who Love
Time, Sweet Time, Precious Time, Lovely Time
All the Time
Time Time Time TIme TIme TIme TIme Time Time
is Eternity

Instrumental Interlude

Drum Solo

I was Blind, I Was Blind, I Was Blind
But Even Flowers Must die And then a New day Comes
And there's a New Day's Dawn
And There's a New Day's Sun
And Love Stays On, Sweet Love Stays on, Love Stays On
Love Stays On, Love Stays On, Love Stays On
Love Stays On, Love , Love, Love , Love
Time, Time , Time, Time, Time
Time is too slow for Those who Wait
And Time is too Swift for Those Who Fear
Time is Too Long for those Who Grieve
And Time is too short for Those That laugh
And Love is too slow for those who Wait
And Love is too Swift for Those who Fear
And Love is too Long for those who Grieve
And Love is too short for Those that Laugh
For THose who Really Love
But for Those who Love
Sweet Time, Sweet Time Sweet Time Sweet Love
Precious Time Precious Love
Time, Time, Time, Time, Time, Time, Time, Is Eternity.


We will get our Justice, eventually.. The Blog Hooligans are not going away!
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