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CRYSTAL MANGUM TRIAL; December 2010
Topic Started: Nov 29 2010, 12:59 PM (56,633 Views)
MikeZPU

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Dec 16 2010, 01:33 PM
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The judge also explained that the jury only needed to consider the abuse charge if they found guilt with respect to the arson charge.


The Judge has said this many times.

Maybe --they have found her guilty of the arson charge already????
Maybe that's why they are asking about the abuse charges????

Right......?
That's a very good point.

It's like waiting on pins and needles :)
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It would seem that the defense must have some hint that jury is wrapping things up - given that Crystal's supporters seem to be arriving.
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kbp

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""Neglected children" juv who does not receive proper care or discipline from parent/custodian/etc"

Knowing that deciding what is "neglect" is up to the person and what day of the week it may be(!), I'm lost as to why the judge said the jury must only consider it if they find Crystal guilty of arson.
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I'm completely guessing here because jury behavior is not always logical from a lawyer's perspective. However, these questions would make sense only if:

1. They've determined to convict on arson; and

2. They're unsure whether her failure to prevent the kids from being injured constitutes "child neglect" if the failure arose as the result of CGM being already "in custody" and therefore not free to act.
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or if they are hanging around and debating to get one more free lunch?

just kidding, but you never know.

Something isn't right with this whole trial and how it was conducted from start to finish. If there is a finish.

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MikeKell
Dec 16 2010, 01:58 PM
or if they are hanging around and debating to get one more free lunch?

just kidding, but you never know.

Something isn't right with this whole trial and how it was conducted from start to finish. If there is a finish.

Makes one wonder if the plan (which succeeded) was to keep Crystial off the stand.
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It is fascinating that CGM's supporters all say that if people could only hear her side of the story that they would be able to see that she is the victim, not anyone else - and yet, whenever there is an opportunity for her to "tell her version of events" she never takes advantage of the opportunity. Granted that one has the right to not take the stand when one is on trial and furthermore nothing should be inferred in that failure to take the stand.....and yet, whatever the outcome (and it will be interesting to see which way the wind blows these days in Durham), one can be certain that Victoria, Steve Matherly, and all the others who have made Crystal their new best friend, will endeavor to once again to convince the public that Crystal has been denied the ability to tell her side.
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Dec 16 2010, 02:23 PM
It is fascinating that CGM's supporters all say that if people could only hear her side of the story that they would be able to see that she is the victim, not anyone else - and yet, whenever there is an opportunity for her to "tell her version of events" she never takes advantage of the opportunity. Granted that one has the right to not take the stand when one is on trial and furthermore nothing should be inferred in that failure to take the stand.....and yet, whatever the outcome (and it will be interesting to see which way the wind blows these days in Durham), one can be certain that Victoria, Steve Matherly, and all the others who have made Crystal their new best friend, will endeavor to once again to convince the public that Crystal has been denied the ability to tell her side.
And there's a forum waiting where "the whole story can be told." Federal court.
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Looks like maybe no one from LS can be there for the rest of the day. sorry

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You can go here

http://twitter.com/MillikenTHS#

he is in court
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Quasimodo

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Dec 16 2010, 02:26 PM
Looks like maybe no one from LS can be there for the rest of the day. sorry

You guys all did great!
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Quasimodo

Twitter:

The judge just wrote down his cell phone number for the court clerk. "Don't go putting this on the bathroom walls," he joked.
less than 20 seconds ago via TweetDeck

Judge Jones told the panel "Go back to work." A bailiff hands back an envelope with the verdict sheets as they file out.
1 minute ago via TweetDeck

Six jurors just returned en masse. And we're at 12 jurors, so someone (me?) missed a count. Judge Jones has called the jury to its box.
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Kerri P.
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Quasimodo
Dec 16 2010, 02:51 PM
~J~ is in Wonderland
Dec 16 2010, 02:26 PM
Looks like maybe no one from LS can be there for the rest of the day. sorry

You guys all did great!
I second that Quasi
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go to twitter page
http://twitter.com/MillikenTHS#
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Kerri P.
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Almost instantly, the jury tells the bailiff they have two more questions. Judge Jones, who had stepped out, is called back.

http://twitter.com/MillikenTHS#

Jurors want the criteria for 1st-degree arson repeated. They want a legal definition of malice, too.
Edited by Kerri P., Dec 16 2010, 02:56 PM.
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